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The more I think about this show, the more I realize hubris is the downfall of many characters:

No-Doze (Tuco's right-hand man)
"Just remember who you're working for," he says. Promptly gets beaten to death by his boss.

Jane
Tries to blackmail Walt. Walt leaves her to die in her own vomit.

Gale
Demands that he meets the chemist behind the blue meth. Ends up losing his job (temporarily) at the lab, and gets shot in the forehead by Jesse.

Combo
Gets too bold and pushes into rival gang's territory. Gets shot by Tomas.

Cartel cousin
"No, too easy." Decides to axe Hank in the forehead, but gets a bullet in his own.

Victor
Makes the poor decision of getting spotted at the crime scene, and doesn't respect the chemistry. Gets throat slit by Gus.

Gus
Refuses the offer of Tyrus to dispose of Hector. "I do this." Becomes Two-face.

Hank
Confronts Jesse at his home, bashes his face in, and ends up on suspension.

Walt
Oh god, where to begin:
-Gets Hank back on the case by revealing that prime-suspect Gale wasn't capable of Heisenberg's genius.
-Flipped off Gus on the lab's camera. Even after the whole Gale thing, Gus probably would have let Walter live if he didn't act like such an asshole.

Can anyone think of more?

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Tyrus
Does nothing remarkable but redshirt henchman shit the whole season. Escapes explosion out the bathroom window.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

I really like Marie as long as she's not the main focus of a subplot (e.g. kleptomania). Her insistence that Hank wasn't going anywhere followed by the smash cut to the DEA office was laugh-out-loud funny.

Hank + Marie + sudden cuts = surprisingly good source of humour. Both this and the bet she made with him in hospital were great moments.

 

[The Hermit]

Watching season 3 after finishing season 4... man its like a different show. Gus having dinner with Walt, Jesse meting Andrea, they working together as a team... everything is so much dark right now.

Also I was just discussing with my brother and he thinks that Walt still is a good guy deep down...
This show is more polarizing than I though, I think Gilian wants to push on how much evil Walt can do before the whole audience realizes he is a fucking asshole.

The goons were the FBI.

The guys who were at Walt house when he sent the old lady? I though they were goons too... why FBI?

 

[ColonialRaptor]

They weren't FBI, we heard that they we're interrupted by some old lady after they talked about picking up Jesse with no witnesses.

 

[vatstep]

Because I am still in denial that the season is over, tonight I spent a couple of hours going through the official site, revisiting some old stuff, reading all of the cast interviews, re-watching some of the video features, etc. I watched the minisodes again, too — some are great, some... not so much. I love the one with Walt and Badger.

 

[Snuggles]

Because I am still in denial that the season is over, tonight I spent a couple of hours going through the official site, revisiting some old stuff, reading all of the cast interviews, re-watching some of the video features, etc. I watched the minisodes again, too — some are great, some... not so much. I love the one with Walt and Badger.

YES, I watched this on the blu-ray. Too bad it got cut because it's probably the funniest Breaking Bad scene.

edit - guess it wasn't really cut, but you get what I mean

 

[shadyspace]

Shit. I want to see this Walt and Badger scene.

 

[mysticwhip]

Shit. I want to see this Walt and Badger scene.

Here You go

 

[shadyspace]

Here You go

Thanks, bud.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Here You go

This is wonderful

 

[Al-ibn Kermit]

Fun fact, Vince Gilligan said in an interview that the old lady next door was actually his own mother.

Watching season 3 after finishing season 4... man its like a different show. Gus having dinner with Walt, Jesse meting Andrea, they working together as a team... everything is so much dark right now.

Also I was just discussing with my brother and he thinks that Walt still is a good guy deep down...
This show is more polarizing than I though, I think Gilian wants to push on how much evil Walt can do before the whole audience realizes he is a fucking asshole.

I don't believe they want to ever make Walt completely bad, they want to put him (and most of the "bad guys") in a gray area where you still like the character and can root for them while questioning whether they are correct in how they morally justify their actions. The show is about showing morality as relative and shows Walt and Jesse walking the line between good and bad while the audience tries to figure that out too.

If they make Walt completely bad, then you just won't like him anymore and will stop watching the show. Kind of a weird thing to do with a main character, especially one with a terminal illness.

 

[faceless007]

I don't believe they want to ever make Walt completely bad, they want to put him (and most of the "bad guys") in a gray area where you still like the character and can root for them while questioning whether they are correct in how they morally justify their actions. The show is about showing morality as relative and shows Walt and Jesse walking the line between good and bad while the audience tries to figure that out too.

If they make Walt completely bad, then you just won't like him anymore and will stop watching the show. Kind of a weird thing to do with a main character, especially one with a terminal illness.

Gilligan has said Walt is almost completely bad now. They're not worried about people finding him unsympathetic if they have him poisoning a kid. People kept watching The Sopranos.

 

[Cornballer]

- Breaking Bad Series Creator Vince Gilligan Answers Viewer Questions, Part III

 

[maharg]

If they make Walt completely bad, then you just won't like him anymore and will stop watching the show. Kind of a weird thing to do with a main character, especially one with a terminal illness.

I don't like Walt at all. I think he's a deeply disturbed, completely horrible human being. He uses people for his own gain and seems to feel very little remorse for the lives he's hurt. His ego is bigger than the sun and he rationalizes everything bad he does to make everyone else the bad guy and himself the hero.

I'll watch the show to the end. Why would my not liking such a terrible person stop me? That is, to me, the point of the show.

 

[faceless007]

I wonder what Hank's gonna do next. His curiosity's definitely going to fire up again when he realizes Tio Salamanca was killed in an explosion just a few hours after he called the DEA out of the blue just to tell him to fuck off.

 

[shadyspace]

I don't like Walt at all. I think he's a deeply disturbed, completely horrible human being. He uses people for his own gain and seems to feel very little remorse for the lives he's hurt. His ego is bigger than the sun and he rationalizes everything bad he does to make everyone else the bad guy and himself the hero.

I'll watch the show to the end. Why would my not liking such a terrible person stop me? That is, to me, the point of the show.

Hey, if you have the time, I'd love for you to go in-depth on your view re: Vic Mackey being a better person than Walter White. Spoiled for the folks who haven't seen The Shield of course.

 

[Poimandres]

If they make Walt completely bad, then you just won't like him anymore and will stop watching the show. Kind of a weird thing to do with a main character, especially one with a terminal illness.

I don't want to start *this* again, but The Shield showed that a main character can be very bad but if tempered with likeable qualities or relatable traits the audience won't turn their backs in disgust. I like Walt, even if he is a terrible person.

 

[Salsa]

Vince Gilligan on the final shot:

What about the closing shot of the episode, the poisonous plant growing ominously in Walt’s backyard. Is it meant to suggest the possibility that he might have poisoned Brock, or is it meant to say he definitely did it?

To me it is fairly definitive. But there’s the old Billy Wilder quote, which I am going to misquote, that if you give the audience 2 plus 2 and let them add it up to 4 themselves, they’ll love you forever. I abide by that. The audience is plenty smart, and I like giving them as little as possible, and letting them do the math themselves. It’s such a shocking moment, that you find out the full badness, if you will, of Walter White, and you learn, truly, what he’s capable of: these monstrous acts, up to and including poisoning a child to further his and his family’s survival. To me, a moment like that is best told delicately. It’s best to not hit the audience over the head with it but to let them do the math themselves.

pretty funny considering how they added a fucking sign saying the name of the plant. So unnecesary.

 

[shadyspace]

Vince Gilligan on the final shot:



pretty funny considering how they added a fucking sign saying the name of the plant. So unnecesary.

I laughed out loud at the zoom-in to the actual name of the fucking plant. "Oh shit!" to "Okay... why are they still zoo-LOL"

 

[Poimandres]

Vince Gilligan on the final shot:



pretty funny considering how they added a fucking sign saying the name of the plant. So unnecesary.

For you and I? Yes.

For some other people watching? It still wasn't clear enough!

 

[Salsa]

For you and I? Yes.

For some other people watching? It still wasn't clear enough!

yeah, after people seriously doubting if Jesse fired the gun at the end of S3, i guess. Lol. Just seems like an odd quote considering there's hardly anything to put together to come to that conclusion. They literally mention the name of the plant 2 scenes before that, more than once.

 

[snack]

 

[Cornballer]

For you and I? Yes.

For some other people watching? It still wasn't clear enough!

I was talking to a coworker today. After watching the finale, he thought that Walt had used the flower to make the poison in the cigarette because he didn't know how to make ricin. Oh, and Gus stole it and poisoned Brock...

 

[Exclamation-One]

YES, I watched this on the blu-ray. Too bad it got cut because it's probably the funniest Breaking Bad scene.

edit - guess it wasn't really cut, but you get what I mean

I get the impression that Cranston only did voiceover in this one.

Oh! Or maybe he had his hair/facial hair grow back and he didn't want to shave it again.

Nevermind, he's supposed to be Heisenberg. Protecting his identity and all. Carry on.

 

[ColonialRaptor]

They weren't FBI, we heard that they we're interrupted by some old lady after they talked about picking up Jesse with no witnesses.

 

[Stinkles]

They weren't FBI, we heard that they we're interrupted by some old lady after they talked about picking up Jesse with no witnesses.

.

 

[Ryaaan14]

Putting on blinders for all the posts here, but just started watching the show tonight and got damn this is good stuff. Hate that I put it off for so long.

 

[maharg]

Hey, if you have the time, I'd love for you to go in-depth on your view re: Vic Mackey being a better person than Walter White. Spoiled for the folks who haven't seen The Shield of course.

I actually haven't finished The Shield, so it may change. I'm about halfway through season 6 right now.

But, to clarify in spoiler tags about THE SHIELD:

Spoiler

It mostly comes down to how they treat their families and the the other people they care about. In particular, Vic's concern for his family strikes me as more genuine. When his wife can't take his lying anymore and breaks up with him, he both gives her space and does what he can to protect them. When a coworker he despises dates her, he actually deals with it (not very well, but not horribly either).

When Walt's wife leaves him, he refuses to accept that his place in their lives has changed. A major example, and one of the creepiest things he's ever done imo, is when he breaks back into the house and takes a shower and then acts baffled that she's freaked out by finding him there. Both Walt and Vic's wives are completely right to get out of the toxic relationships their husbands have created, and Vic seems to have the good sense to realize that.

Also, Vic doesn't use people like Walt does. If you're in Vic's circle, he trusts you. He treats you well. Walt's relationship to Jesse, compared to Vic's with anyone in the strike team, is downright abusive. He uses him, he lies to him, he poisons someone close to him. But still he protects him. To me this is a sign of him treating Jesse not as someone he's close to, but as a possession or a toy. He can't stand anyone else playing with him, but he has absolutely no respect for him at all. I can't imagine Vic doing that to the people close to him, by comparison.

Also, I think Vic is just plain more honest about what he is and what he does. And it also helps that Vic can actually say that what he does is an attempt to improve things for average people, even if it is horribly misguided and destructive in itself. Walt's rationalizations make much less sense and really only serve his own ego.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

lol. so true. all they do is dig holes.

 

[Snuggles]

Spoiler

Also, Vic doesn't use people like Walt does. If you're in Vic's circle, he trusts you. He treats you well. Walt's relationship to Jesse, compared to Vic's with anyone in the strike team, is downright abusive. He uses him, he lies to him, he poisons someone close to him. But still he protects him. To me this is a sign of him treating Jesse not as someone he's close to, but as a possession or a toy. He can't stand anyone else playing with him, but he has absolutely no respect for him at all. I can't imagine Vic doing that to the people close to him, by comparison

(DON'T READ UNTIL YOU FINISH THE SHIELD)

Spoiler

What Vic did to Ronnie at the end kind of contradicts some of this. He basically sent Ronnie to prison for life to save himself. I found Vic just as dispicable as Walt. At least Walt knows he's a scumbag.

 

[shadyspace]

I actually haven't finished The Shield, so it may change. I'm about halfway through season 6 right now.

But, to clarify in spoiler tags about THE SHIELD:

Spoiler

It mostly comes down to how they treat their families and the the other people they care about. In particular, Vic's concern for his family strikes me as more genuine. When his wife can't take his lying anymore and breaks up with him, he both gives her space and does what he can to protect them. When a coworker he despises dates her, he actually deals with it (not very well, but not horribly either).

When Walt's wife leaves him, he refuses to accept that his place in their lives has changed. A major example, and one of the creepiest things he's ever done imo, is when he breaks back into the house and takes a shower and then acts baffled that she's freaked out by finding him there. Both Walt and Vic's wives are completely right to get out of the toxic relationships their husbands have created, and Vic seems to have the good sense to realize that.

Also, Vic doesn't use people like Walt does. If you're in Vic's circle, he trusts you. He treats you well. Walt's relationship to Jesse, compared to Vic's with anyone in the strike team, is downright abusive. He uses him, he lies to him, he poisons someone close to him. But still he protects him. To me this is a sign of him treating Jesse not as someone he's close to, but as a possession or a toy. He can't stand anyone else playing with him, but he has absolutely no respect for him at all. I can't imagine Vic doing that to the people close to him, by comparison.

Also, I think Vic is just plain more honest about what he is and what he does. And it also helps that Vic can actually say that what he does is an attempt to improve things for average people, even if it is horribly misguided and destructive in itself. Walt's rationalizations make much less sense and really only serve his own ego.

Agreed on all points. Particularly

Spoiler

Vic actually being a force of good for some people, despite his sometimes reprehensible behavior. In fact, even some of his more morally gray acts were as a result of him genuinely caring about people. Walt couldn't give exactly one shit that a good friend of Jesse's got killed dealing his product. Vic burned half of Armadillo's face off just because the guy killed a drug dealer Vic was friendly with.

(DON'T READ UNTIL YOU FINISH THE SHIELD)

Spoiler

What Vic did to Ronnie at the end kind of contradicts some of this. I found Vic just as dispicable as Walt. At least Walt knows he's a scumbag.

Spoiler

It was obviously an awful thing to do but I think the difference between Vic giving up Ronnie and a hypothetical in which Walt gives up Jesse is that I have no doubt in my mind that Walt wouldn't feel one ounce of guilt in doing so. Vic was clearly and legitimately anguished over his decision. Plus, he was under the impression that he was up against a ticking clock. He tried to get Ronnie immunity the best he could given the circumstances. But of course when push came to shove he protected himself first and foremost.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

You guys really want me to have yet ANOTHER re-watch of The Shield, don't you?

 

[shadyspace]

You guys really want me to have yet ANOTHER re-watch of The Shield, don't you?

I've already decided. This'll be my sixth.

 

[Snuggles]

Spoiler

It was obviously an awful thing to do but I think the difference between Vic giving up Ronnie and a hypothetical in which Walt gives up Jesse is that I have no doubt in my mind that Walt wouldn't feel one ounce of guilt in doing so. Vic was clearly and legitimately anguished over his decision.

Spoiler

But I think Walt would too. He went to great lengths to save Jessie at the end of season 3.

but i'll just leave it at that, it's a little OT and I don't want anyone to get spoiled

 

[shadyspace]

Spoiler

But I think Walt would too. He went to great lengths to save Jessie at the end of season 3.

but i'll just leave it at that, it's a little OT and I don't want anyone to get spoiled

I've always felt the same as maharg in that Walt's relationship with Jesse has always been one of, "he's mine". If Walt allowed Jesse to get killed by Gus's men through inaction it would put his in a position of weakness and lose power. Saving Jesse was as much about (maybe even more) asserting his power and bucking Gus as it was actually caring for his well-being.

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

But what about the drugged walt saying sorry to jesse? He obviously cares about him more than a toy, but walts survival instinct just makes him too emotional and irrational.

 

[Black Mamba]

Fun fact, Vince Gilligan said in an interview that the old lady next door was actually his own mother.



I don't believe they want to ever make Walt completely bad, they want to put him (and most of the "bad guys") in a gray area where you still like the character and can root for them while questioning whether they are correct in how they morally justify their actions. The show is about showing morality as relative and shows Walt and Jesse walking the line between good and bad while the audience tries to figure that out too.

If they make Walt completely bad, then you just won't like him anymore and will stop watching the show. Kind of a weird thing to do with a main character, especially one with a terminal illness.

yeah, um..

Q: Every season I say "Man, Walt is a bad guy." And then the next season, I'm like he's, "Wow, he's done even worse things now." Maybe at this point he is a full-on sociopath. Nothing mitigates what he's done, of course, but, you know, he did keep his family safe. I mean, you can't forgive anything he does ...

A: No. And we don't make that argument. I would never make that argument, that you should see him as a good guy. I mean, the whole intention of the franchise from Day 1 was, we're going to take the good guy and turn him into the bad guy. And at a certain point, you stop rooting for the bad guy and I make no bones about that. It only makes sense at a certain point to stop sympathizing with this man. But hopefully, no matter what, he remains interesting.

no.

 

[Trent Strong]

I wouldn't like Walt either, if this show was actually meant to be a completely serious drama. But it's a least half a comedy, with a lot of that comedy coming from Walt. This show isn't The Wire, you're meant to be laughing half the time.

 

[MightyHealthy]

pretty funny considering how they added a fucking sign saying the name of the plant. So unnecesary.

some people do leave those tags on, though, for garden noobs

 

[Salsa]

some people do leave those tags on, though, for garden noobs

oh its not "hard to believe" or anything, but nothing's written in a show by casualtie

 

[Puddles]

I've always felt the same as maharg in that Walt's relationship with Jesse has always been one of, "he's mine". If Walt allowed Jesse to get killed by Gus's men through inaction it would put his in a position of weakness and lose power. Saving Jesse was as much about (maybe even more) asserting his power and bucking Gus as it was actually caring for his well-being.

You guys are really jumping to some wacky conclusions on the Walt:Jesse front.

We get it, he put a kid in the hospital. That sucks, though I think it's clear he had no intention of the kid actually dying.

What I don't get is the idea that because he's willing to put a kid in the hospital, it means that all the moments where he clearly tried to protect Jesse and his family are suddenly invalidated.

 

[Exclamation-One]

oh its not "hard to believe" or anything, but nothing's written in a show by casualtie

I don't blame Gilligan and co. at all given the pointless debates that happened last season.

 

[maharg]

You guys are really jumping to some wacky conclusions on the Walt:Jesse front.

It's ok, I think you jump to wacky conclusions on pretty much everything. Including this.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

zommmggg spoilers.

i just started season 1 on netflix and cuss words are censored?

is it censored on amc? discs?

 

[bathala]

Heh:

oh man. LOL

 

[VariantX04]

zommmggg spoilers.

i just started season 1 on netflix and cuss words are censored?

is it censored on amc? discs?

Only "fuck" is censored iirc.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Only "fuck" is censored iirc.

there's apparently a handjob removed from the pilot or something.

are the f bombs on tv censored?

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

there's apparently a handjob removed from the pilot or something.

are the f bombs on tv censored?

Whaaat, no eBay handjob? That sucks.

And yeah, fuck's censored on TV too, which is dumb, considering some of the shit that happens.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Whaaat, no eBay handjob? That sucks.

And yeah, fuck's censored on TV too, which is dumb, considering some of the shit that happens.

Alright so I guess that brings me to two questions.

1. Anyone know if other scenes are removed on netflix?
2. Are the blu-ray discs uncensored?