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Breaking Bad - Season 4 - Sundays on AMC
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Puddles said:
I feel like you have some kind of selective memory about Walt and killing. He's killed or been involved in killing plenty of people at this point, including shooting two in the latest episode.
The difference here is that I think they're both very bad people (and love their respective shows for showing them to me). I compared them pretty much entirely for the lols. You actually think Walt is a good person, though, which puts your moral scale somewhere in weirdsville.
RobotNinjaHornets
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Herc: At this rate, we're never gonna get the desk in.Cohsae said:
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McNulty: IN?
Shield ep 1 spoilers still.maharg said:
But they weren't COPS
Note: I'm on your side, that sentence wasn't meant to be completely serious
Trent Strong
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Speevy said:
Yeah, he's a horrible person, but I still like the character because of all the goofy stuff he does. But not all the humor is dark. There's a lot of physical comedy, or just sublte jokes like Walt constantly having to get his car windshield repaired every other episode in one of the seasons.
Cohsae said:
The Wire has funny moments, but it's meant to be pretty realistic. I don't think Breaking Bad is trying to be realistic at all. It has a lot of absurd stuff in it.
Why would you be on his side?
Walt:
Vic:
They aren't even close to the same. It's like comparing Amir0x to Sam Fisher in home invasion ability. Different leagues.
Walt:
Kills crazed dealer, two bangers who had already murdered a child, and two of Gus's henchmen.
Vic:
Kills upstanding police officer.
They aren't even close to the same. It's like comparing Amir0x to Sam Fisher in home invasion ability. Different leagues.
ColonialRaptor
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Lol justifying something as plausible on tv because I saw it on tv, Lol!xbhaskarx said:
I could never get into The Wire for some reason, even though I forced myself to grind through almost all of it.
I found myself fairly amazed at some individual scenes/episodes, but overall it just never did it for me. I also think its realism is overblown, with almost all of that realism concentrated on the cops while the criminals are almost cartoonish and, imo, pretty shallow. Not surprising given that it was created by cops and crime journos.
I found myself fairly amazed at some individual scenes/episodes, but overall it just never did it for me. I also think its realism is overblown, with almost all of that realism concentrated on the cops while the criminals are almost cartoonish and, imo, pretty shallow. Not surprising given that it was created by cops and crime journos.
RobotNinjaHornets
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Seems a more appropriate comparison.Puddles said:
I wish there'd been more Slim Charles. That guy was awesome.
Al-ibn Kermit
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Poimandres said:
Not a very good example, Mackey does one of the worst things he ever did in the very first episode of the series. So you knew what to expect of him. Plus he always justified himself as the buffer that keeps "better" drug dealers in power, and that he stole money or drugs from criminals, not tax payers. He saw himself as preventing even worse bad guys from being in control.
And I'm sure everybody who watched The Shield hated Mackey by the end. While Mackey has charm, Walt is to me easier to like since you get the feeling that a lot of his behavior comes down to regular human nature (caring for your family, justifying your actions depending on the people around you) and survival instincts.
Black Mamba said:
I'm not saying that Walt doesn't do bad stuff, I'm saying that he justifies by comparing himself to the people around him (even worse drug dealers). The reason he's "breaking bad" is because of how he adjusts his moral attitude to that of his peers.
If the show doesn't constantly have characters on that are worse than Walt, then there would be no reason to have any interest in Walter anymore. He'd just be bad, rather than breaking bad (re: getting worse than whatever point he is at).
shadyspace said:
Regarding Armadillo
I have to disagree there, Armadillo killed a drug dealer that Vic had a financial relationship with in order to muscle in on his territory. It felt like Vic burned his face partly because of rage and partly to intimidate him. Vic was never like Shane who would piss on a random gangbanger just for fun but I don't think Vic ever really liked any drug dealer that much.
And I'm pretty sure Combo died before Walt considered Jesse a good friend. Both Walt and Jesse made it clear to Gus that they would refuse to work if Gus did anything to hurt their partner. It's interesting that Walter has started to love Jesse more as he got worse morally.
Al-ibn Kermit
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maharg said:
You can't justify what Walt does but you can't say that he doesn't care about Jesse. It's a very weird connection like I said, it seems the more he gets attached to Jesse the worse the actions he is able to justify.
THE-Pink-Dagger
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About Vic Mackey,
But I still sympathize and I loved Vic and rooted for him.
@Moniker: Jesus christ almighty................ He cooks the product, he's not the one who forces it into anyone's hands, the customers make that choice, that doesn't make him responsible in any way possible.
killing the cop in the first episodes is worst than anything Walt ever did, like really.
But I still sympathize and I loved Vic and rooted for him.
@Moniker: Jesus christ almighty................ He cooks the product, he's not the one who forces it into anyone's hands, the customers make that choice, that doesn't make him responsible in any way possible.
Al-ibn Kermit said:
I can, I did, and I continue to. Jesse is Walt's monkey. Dance, monkey, dance! Walt says, and Jesse dances.
Re The Shield and the Vic's actions in the first episode:
First, I rank poisoning a child to manipulate a third party much worse. Yes, I really do. Terry was a cop, but Brock was a fucking child. And a completely innocent one at that. And I find it really hilarious how people have backtracked from considering that something outside Walt's moral range to something to be brushed off and ignored.
Second, it's really silly to rant about moral relativism and then ignore that in Vic's own moral code, Terry was something very bad. He was a snitch, and he was threatening Vic's livelihood and that of his family. I see no reason to think Walt wouldn't have done the same.
Second, it's really silly to rant about moral relativism and then ignore that in Vic's own moral code, Terry was something very bad. He was a snitch, and he was threatening Vic's livelihood and that of his family. I see no reason to think Walt wouldn't have done the same.
maharg said:
I agree with you partially. Up to this point Jesse was of value to Walt. He may not have necessarily cared about Jesse's well being but his existence was important. It gave Walt leverage against Gus, etc. Now, Walt doesn't need Jesse at all, so no reason to manipulate him either.
shadyspace
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Alright, even I think The Shield discussion is getting out of hand now (you guys who haven't really should start a watch through thread) but Re: SHIELD EP 1 SPOILERS
Fuck Terry Crowley. Guy was a rat, I don't look at it as any different than Tony Soprano offing some random informant. I don't think being a cop automatically makes you more "valuable" of a person either.
Al-ibn Kermit said:
I think there's a distinction to be made. Jesse is valuable to Walt. So Walt does go out of his way to save him on multiple occasions. That does not mean he actually cares about Jesse though.
Blackace said:
This thread has spoilers everywhere, finish Season 4 before you come back in here!
RobotNinjaHornets
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I've never wanted to hug a TV character as much as I have Jesse, especially after the Jame and Gale incidentsBlackace said:
triplestation
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What on earth is this shit. The plant did more than just reveal it was Walt who poisoned the kid. Almost all potted garden plants I see have a tag on them.SalsaShark said:
biggersmaller
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biggersmaller said:
dave is ok said:
blahblah...blah said:
See that's the thing, guys. The tape was not destroyed completely, as the actual 'tape' inside the cartridge was intact. Pulled out? Yes. Broken in places? Yes. Repairable by the DEA? I say yes. It's just sitting there waiting to be found by Hank at the end.
ColonialRaptor
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Wasnt it badger who died, not combo? Or are they the same person
moniker
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THE-Pink-Dagger said:
I guess that's why cooking meth is legal then. Wait, no, it isn't. The quantity Walt's pushing would land him in prison for a very long time.
I think filling up the supply chains for broken, addicted and often criminal people with illegal hard drugs is immoral, and I don't think that's a controversial stand point.
RobotNinjaHornets
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ColonialRaptor said:
Badger
Combo
...you have been watching Breaking Bad right?
Harry Dresden
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moniker said:
Doesn't this strike apply to Gail and Jesse too?
dave is ok
aztek is ok
It's been in the desert for a year at this point without the plastic case protecting it. I don't think it's coming backbiggersmaller said:
blahblah...blah
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xbhaskarx said:
stephen08 is right though, unless you're saying that the guy he quoted is wrong.
I think we can all agree to disagree, by the way, on whether Walt is redeemable or not. I find the suggestion that as a producer of meth he is excused from our outrage to be utterly ridiculous, but I also think he's done so many worse things since he started manufacturing meth that it's almost irrelevant now.
Almost every bad act perpetrated by a TV character, protagonist or antagonist, has been justified in some way or another, just as we excuse Walt's behaviour as self-preservation and protecting his family. But face it, pretty much every Bond villain has had a reason for what they were doing, every killer in your bog standard crime procedural had a reason, etc.
The fact is, Walt's family wouldn't have been in any danger if he had cast his pride aside and taken Elliot's offer of financial security in the first season. Walt exposed his family to the problems they now face in the first place, and his desperate scrambling to protect them is only necessary because he cooked meth, killed people and manipulated those closest to him.
And I still fucking love watching him triumph.....
sixteen-bit
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Yeah okay.Zaro said:
dave is ok
aztek is ok
The Jersey Shore kids get more than that. Charlie Sheen was making like 7 times that.mysticwhip said:
It seems like a lot to us, but for a lead actor on a networks flagship show - it isn't
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