Breaking Bad - The (Beautiful) Finale - Season 5 Part 2 - Sunday on AMC - OT3
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crazygambit
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I completely disagree.
1 was a given, since Walt had seen the room before and thus knew exactly how to park the car.
2 was irrelevant, he wanted to get Jack, the rest were a bonus. He wasn't expecting to survive the attack. He only got down in order to protect Jesse, who wasn't supposed to be in the room.
3 Jack would never have had his goons shoot Walt on sight. That's just not how he operates. He didn't fear Walt at all, saw him as a dying old man.
4 The goading occurred, because they took his keys away. That clearly wasn't part of the plan, but it was easy enough to pull off. Pride is a dangerous thing.
5 No one had ever searched a car before throughout the show, I'm willing to bet no one in such a situation would. Even if it had a bomb, they were safe inside the house. The most critical part of the plan was getting the car parked correctly, but that's an easy enough con. Who's gonna argue with the old guy with cancer that you're gonna kill in a few minutes anyway? What would be the point?
I'd say in real life, against real life thugs the plan had a pretty good chance of working out IMO.
Well... those were awesome and yeah, goofy- but in context more fitting. Jesse saying "magnets, bitch", or how he asked if Walt is gonna build a robot when he in fact builds a battery. Or his famous line "this isnt meth", made all those scene more fitting with their comicly/goofy character.
He is just bashing it for no justifiable reason...
Will do anything for page views I guess...
Yep. It feels like people are really grasping at air to explain why they hated how the finale played out.
LMFAO no goofyness? DING DING DING DING DING DING DING "NOOOOOOOOOO!" *explosion* .... *gets up and adjusts tie, camera pans to reveal two face, falls forward*
are you SHITTING ME?
The One Who Knocks
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Stump has already went over most (and crazygambit some of the specifics) but the bolded is incorrect. For the most part, the bullets are fired along a horizontal line, and the entry holes in the wall also suggest this, yet the variety of camera angles within the slaughterhouse reveal that there were bullets going all over the place:
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This is not the entire slaughter, and merely a small segment, but even in this we can see the bullets being launched at a variety of angles after they exit the wall (see the Walter and Jesse scene when a bullet comes towards the cameras) and are being ricocheted (see it hitting the fridge). The other perspectives paint a similarly chaotic nature. The majority certainly go in a horizontal plane, sure, but we are explicitly shown, prior to Walter being shot (and indeed, afterwards too) that there are bullets flying everywhere, causing a huge amount of destruction within that room; it wasn't a solitary bullet (in that, it wasn't the only bullet that strayed from the horizontal plane through the M60 and the clubhouse) that just so happened to deviate from its course and hit him as you seem to be suggesting.
Cornballer
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- CBS This Morning: "Breaking Bad" creator Vince Gilligan: I was teary-eyed writing series' last episode (video)
Well said. The M60 is one of the more straightforward things Walt has done. 3-bar linkage, motor, battery, wireless switch.
Anyone with a science or engineering background at the graduate level has had to create various lab/testing apparatuses multiple times to carry out their experiments.
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On an unrelated note:
Gus's death was the definition of goofy. A lot of people hated that episode just because of how goofy that scene is, and I'm sure they still do.
Personally I just find it all the more entertaining. And yeah, I think this episode was fairly grounded compared to some of the crazy shit this show has pulled off in the past.
The Lamonster
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Great interview.
CharminUltra
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My favorite thing about people hating on the finale is that their "improved version" usually sounds like something the Dexter writers would've come up with.
Also, while I think Felina was amazing the first time through, I think it gets better after every rewatch. Just the amount of little details, call backs, symbolism, etc. is unreal.
Also, while I think Felina was amazing the first time through, I think it gets better after every rewatch. Just the amount of little details, call backs, symbolism, etc. is unreal.
Loved the shot at the very end with the 'X' over Walt, aside from the obvious Crawl Space link.
I don't think I'll ever witness something like this again. A show with such a meteoric rise to prominence, while I'm there experiencing it at the same time.
Also, Felina is now in the running for daughter names.
I don't think I'll ever witness something like this again. A show with such a meteoric rise to prominence, while I'm there experiencing it at the same time.
Also, Felina is now in the running for daughter names.
The only goofy things in this ep were the car keys being in the car and Walt being able to track down Badger and Pete. And Walt being able to evade the DEA outside Skylar's apartment. Nothing else was any more ridiculous than anything else that happens in Breaking Bad.
I think if Walt had failed at something by an external force outside his planning, people wouldn't be shitting on this so hard.
I think if Walt had failed at something by an external force outside his planning, people wouldn't be shitting on this so hard.
Crimson-Death
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And yet too many people complained at how "unrealistic" and corny and silly it was that Gus was able to fix his tie after that thing happened.
The M60 contraption was the most "realistic" contraption Walt ever came up with to solve a problem.
People who can't believe that Walt manged to get shot because of angles need to watch it again. They clearly show the bullets ricocheting before he grimaces in pain. It didn't need to be a bullet, but fragments would be enough to kill him.
And that music at the end.... glorious way to end it.
Cornballer
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- Maureen Ryan with a second look the finale: 'Breaking Bad' Finale Analysis: Walt's Takeover Was Complete (But Hard To Buy And Unsatisfying)
NullPointer
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Ricochets can happen too along with recoil bouncing the gun up and down. There's enough there to reasonably allow for at least a couple bullets straying off the path.
I liked most of the ending, but put me in the camp that thinks it was all a little too clean. Would've liked to see more callbacks to the early going (besides the two quick flashbacks). Walt's transformation seen from a great height - that sort of thing.
The tides keep on turning. In the coming weeks, it will be universally accepted that Breaking Bad's finale was a failure to the series on the whole. Gilligan was so close.
Spectral Glider
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He did? That scene and Jesse's whole character arc apparently flew right over her head.
Great article, it encapsules all the problems I had with the finale.
Keys being left in cars isn't rare though. In my neighborhood, just about everyone leaves their keys, often in the ignition itself. As for Badger and Pete, Walt would have had their contact info at some point throughout all the meth dealings going on. The DEA thing is the only one I'd say might be a little ridiculous, but it's not as if 2 guys sitting on the street in a car have a 100% view of any house or structure. Sneaking through the back door or windows or anywhere that isn't the street where the lookouts are isn't that far fetched.
BenjaminBirdie
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Yyyyup
I've never heard of that. That's a stupid thing to do.
Walt has no belongings, it's been at least months since he's last seen them, and I doubt he has their numbers memorized.
Permanently A
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I just finished the Shield.
I actually think the Shield's finale was slightly better because it was unpredictable. Breaking Bad's finale was great, but totally predictable.
All in all, TV is so fucking great. Now to start the Wire!
I actually think the Shield's finale was slightly better because it was unpredictable. Breaking Bad's finale was great, but totally predictable.
All in all, TV is so fucking great. Now to start the Wire!
Don't need to debate whether leaving keys in the car is believable or not. It sets up the fact that everything is coming up Walter.
Think that Ryan review makes some good points, but it comes very close to arguing sometimes - and even explicitly says i think - that Walt won with very little consequences. There's only been one or two analyses/reviews that mention that this is only a win in Walt's eyes, in his egotistical self centred view. He 'won', because everything went his way. But of course Walt would just think his kids have money now, and not think that it never had to end up this way. Of course Walt would think giving the locations of the bodies is a good thing to do, even though he's the ones who put them there. He took out Lydia justifiably, but she has a child. He saved Jesse, but he would have been happy with Jesse killing him and of course after everything that he's done to him.
It was a win for Walt, but no one can really classify it as a win. Can't remember the name of that review earlier, but it was the one I quoted who posted it and said it was great. But it was bang on; this sad, pathetic man dying as a rock song blares out about his crystal meth. A man so pathetic he died with a smile on his face in a drug lab and not with his family.
Think that Ryan review makes some good points, but it comes very close to arguing sometimes - and even explicitly says i think - that Walt won with very little consequences. There's only been one or two analyses/reviews that mention that this is only a win in Walt's eyes, in his egotistical self centred view. He 'won', because everything went his way. But of course Walt would just think his kids have money now, and not think that it never had to end up this way. Of course Walt would think giving the locations of the bodies is a good thing to do, even though he's the ones who put them there. He took out Lydia justifiably, but she has a child. He saved Jesse, but he would have been happy with Jesse killing him and of course after everything that he's done to him.
It was a win for Walt, but no one can really classify it as a win. Can't remember the name of that review earlier, but it was the one I quoted who posted it and said it was great. But it was bang on; this sad, pathetic man dying as a rock song blares out about his crystal meth. A man so pathetic he died with a smile on his face in a drug lab and not with his family.
So jealous, i wish i could rewatch the wire the first time, it's so good.
Rewatched the finale last night and i loved it even more.
yeah but the plan itself, on how to kill gus wasnt goofy. in fact the plan just needed just one thing: gus in hectors room.
the robot gun vs nazis had like 1000 variables that this stuff can work.
let me just say that i enjoyed goofy elements in the show. but i just didnt like how they handled the m60 element.
its just boring and uncreative.
the robot gun vs nazis had like 1000 variables that this stuff can work.
let me just say that i enjoyed goofy elements in the show. but i just didnt like how they handled the m60 element.
its just boring and uncreative.
Crimson-Death
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Anyone complaining about "believability" and 'realism" on this show, especially in the finale, were not paying attention to the intent of the show since the first season, from the very beginning.
My guess is that it comes mostly from those that binge-watched the show prior to the end.
This show is the self fulfillment of a power fantasy that spins out of control.
Its very essence is to subvert reality, the reality of Walt.
It goes out of its way to tell you that the Universe is watching and will make you pay.
There are crazy coincidences and even Walt himself says that it can't be all random, that there has to be a meaning. Look it up.
Walt prays in the end as the cops patrol, and they go away and the keys are there.
It's not a weakness of the writing nor a plothole, it's very much intentional.
If you you can't buy that or accept it or like it, it just means it isn't for you.
I think it was blamespace who said it best- this show is like a comic book brought to life.
And there is nothing wrong with it. The execution is nearly flawless.
My guess is that it comes mostly from those that binge-watched the show prior to the end.
This show is the self fulfillment of a power fantasy that spins out of control.
Its very essence is to subvert reality, the reality of Walt.
It goes out of its way to tell you that the Universe is watching and will make you pay.
There are crazy coincidences and even Walt himself says that it can't be all random, that there has to be a meaning. Look it up.
Walt prays in the end as the cops patrol, and they go away and the keys are there.
It's not a weakness of the writing nor a plothole, it's very much intentional.
If you you can't buy that or accept it or like it, it just means it isn't for you.
I think it was blamespace who said it best- this show is like a comic book brought to life.
And there is nothing wrong with it. The execution is nearly flawless.
Ninja Scooter
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Somebody with half their body blown off would be writhing around on the floor in shock, not standing up fixing their tie.
The amount of "BB's ending sucked" threads will soon rival that of "TDKR sucked" threads.
There was no ending that was going to please everyone. If Walt dies a more horrific death, it may have been too dark (even for BB standards) and TeamWalt would cry afoul. If you don't see him die, people will cry there was no closure. If something out of the ordinary happens like Flynn or Marie was to one to kill Walt or something, people would've said they were writing a twist for the sake of writing a twist. If Jesse died, blah blah blah. It goes on and on. I personally would've liked some ambiguity but understand why they wanted closure to this tale.
Walt may have come to terms with himself, but it was still a tragic ending. Hank died, Skyler is a single mother of two, Marie is a widow, Andrea is dead, Brock is a bastard child, Walt's life ended knowing his son hates him...for a "clean" ending, there was still a lot of dirt people seem to be forgetting.
Walt may have come to terms with himself, but it was still a tragic ending. Hank died, Skyler is a single mother of two, Marie is a widow, Andrea is dead, Brock is a bastard child, Walt's life ended knowing his son hates him...for a "clean" ending, there was still a lot of dirt people seem to be forgetting.
gutterboy44
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Those concerned about the bullet trajectory have never had the pleasure of shooting tracers at night. I was absolutely shocked at the ricochet and deflection trajectories the first time I did, especially the bullets that came back in an acute angle. The bullets had to go through the trunk and the wall which is more than enough to significantly alter the trajectory not to mention the recoil and the fact it could have just been shrapnel that hit Walt. At the right angle, a piece of thick cardboard can change the path of a bullet.
Ah thanks, I watched all seasons in 1 big go so must have missed it.
The person he was responding you is the same as me. We never said we didn't like the finale, just how that grand plan played out. It all felt very convenient and forced because of the very reasons laid out. That was the only part that really stood out to me as "off".
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UltimaPooh
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Reminds me of an oldie but a goodie.
That one was funny.
But I think the truck popper on the key probably had a delay built in.
What would happen if one of the Nazi's decided to just press it right then? It would have went off and Walt would have been screwed. He probably upped the number of times it had to be pressed before it went off.
I was randomly making fun of all the people who pick one random thing (the airplane crash, gus' death, various things involving the twins, the fulminated mercury, the magnet heist, walt spilling the beans to jesse on the phone, etc, etc, etc) and say that it was the only time Breaking Bad has defied reality and taken being stylish too far.
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FantasticMrFoxdie
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I'm not sure if expectations were too high or something but I wouldn't see it ending any other way. Did people not want them to tie up everything and just have a shocking ending?
It was Walts final tragic magnum opus. He was down, at his lowest, and actually already gave himself up...until he heard and saw Gretchen and Elliot. Call it that Heisenberg luck at the right time or call it Breaking Bad, It was then and there he managed to figure out how to provide for his family even if they neglected everything about him in his Yeah Mr. White, Science sort of way.
It was Walts final tragic magnum opus. He was down, at his lowest, and actually already gave himself up...until he heard and saw Gretchen and Elliot. Call it that Heisenberg luck at the right time or call it Breaking Bad, It was then and there he managed to figure out how to provide for his family even if they neglected everything about him in his Yeah Mr. White, Science sort of way.
On an unrelated note:
Sir, you just won the internet.
And Gus's death didn't? Tyrus could just recheck Tio's chair, the faulty switch could fail, they can just drag Tio outside, etc..
CharminUltra
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LOL
When your article starts off praising the LOST finale, it's kinda hard to take the rest seriously
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