GodParticle
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Didn't know. I just figured once he told her, she could make it to a hospital or something
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Breaking Bad - The (Beautiful) Finale - Season 5 Part 2 - Sunday on AMC - OT3
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Didn't know. I just figured once he told her, she could make it to a hospital or something
Ricin breaks down at the molecule level? I don't think it's something that can be reversed if it's not treated fast enough:
I just wanted a surprise at some point. The episode was completely adequate in wrapping things up, but that's all it was.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Hard thing to trace by the time she got to the hospital she would be shitting her brians out on the toilet.
no antidote. pure ricin is deadly.
blame space
Banned
i fucking love the split second misdirections in these last few. like skyler accidentally stabbing flynn or jesse just straight running walt over in his car. and i love how he checks the rear view mirror for walt as he's enjoying his freedom drive.
i love everything about it really.
i love everything about it really.
Once Walt learned his meth was back on the market, he knew Jesse was cooking again.
The last time Walt saw Jesse he was taken away by the Nazis.
Walt knows the Nazis well enough to realize that if Jesse is cooking for them, it's essentially with a gun to his head. Not Jesse's choice.
Not to mention, Walt wanting to kill Jesse goes against everything the episode was about - Walt making amends, accepting his responsibilities, and stopping himself from blaming other people. Wanting to kill Jesse just feels out of place.
I guess I'm in the minority on this.
Who is lukewarm on it? The ones I've been reading have been very positive, while saying that "Ozymandias" was the peak of the series, not a slight to this episode at all.
Exactly. Breaking Bad has always had a bold style that teetered right on the edge of reality.
Except it wasn't. The entire episode was under the perspective of Walter and him seeing himself finishing it all under his terms that of someone who is smarter than the people trying to catch or kill him that of someone who is wrapping it all into one neat little package with no loose ends. We saw the ending through the perspective of a delusional egotistic criminal.
TheDarkKnight774
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does Lydia even know what Ricin is? This show is the first i've heard of it. Was it discussed with her earlier in the series and i've forgotten about it?
DevelopmentArrested
Banned
Agreed. Very by the book predictable but that's okay, it's what Gilligan wanted
for a minute there i actually thought jesse was going to nail walt with his car.
just realized this is kind of obvious to you
BertramCooper
Banned
I don't know that I buy that Jesse would be considered a "small fry."
With Walt dead, I'd argue that there's probably even more pressure to nab Jesse. Someone has to pay for Heisenberg's crimes.
Maybe lukewarm isn't the right word. But Sepinwall's and Ponzy's reviews both praise it, and kind of are saying at the same time, it was just good. They don't = all critics. So yeah, kind of exaggerating there. I've just noticed a handful of people now (besides them) also agreeing with this sentiment.
So yes, they are positive. But also not in love with it.
blame space
Banned
no way dude
For me, the problem isn't that loose ends are tied up, the problem is that it's nowhere near dark enough.
How would shifting the perspective change the fact that Walt did end the finale on his own terms? It's not delusional if it's true.
How would shifting the perspective change the fact that Walt did end the finale on his own terms? It's not delusional if it's true.
Dr. Randy Marsh
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I hope Bogdan got his car wash and dollar back.
I'm also glad Better Call Saul is a prequel so I can just pretend Saul, Huell, Kuby, Francesca, and Danny the laser tag guy are off having wacky adventures together in Nebraska or Belize or whatever.
I'm also glad Better Call Saul is a prequel so I can just pretend Saul, Huell, Kuby, Francesca, and Danny the laser tag guy are off having wacky adventures together in Nebraska or Belize or whatever.
The Hermit
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So the show ends wih Walts redemption, and it is kinda happy too...
I did not saw that coming. I was a bit disapointed, but it was very good, i don't know how else to finish it.
I did not saw that coming. I was a bit disapointed, but it was very good, i don't know how else to finish it.
BobTheFork
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Oh, also, I fucking loved the Marty Robbins tape falling out. It's nice that some people called that a few weeks ago.
Walt was basically a fucking ninja in this episode. Just appearing everywhere!
Walt was basically a fucking ninja in this episode. Just appearing everywhere!
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Fucking yes. I was hoping it was a Marty Robbins reference since I first saw that episode title.
I can't believe I didn't think of it-- I love that song.
I am actually surprised by how "standard" that ending was compared to other Breaking Bad finales/episodes. Everything went about as well as expected. Some great shots/scenes though...
I kinda lol'd at Jesus Jesse, the imagery was just too much.
Now I am sad Breaking Bad is over.
I kinda lol'd at Jesus Jesse, the imagery was just too much.
Now I am sad Breaking Bad is over.
sleeprockss
Banned
I would rank Season 5A as the worst season. It turned Walter White into a mustache twirling villain and made him a joke.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Fantastic ending the an amazing series. Seriously, this is the best TV series that I have ever seen. It has been a fantastic ride.
As for the Lydia thing - it's really not far fetched to assume that Lydia likes to do everything the same exact way - down to what table she sits at. I seem to recall that exact same table being the place that Walt and Lydia always met, and I believe Lydia sits at that table whenever she met with Todd as well. She's very methodical and, in the end, that was her weakness.
Also, it's really not a stretch to believe that Jack would want to prove his "honor" in the sense that he did care very deeply when Jesse was ratting out his nephew (he was ready to kill Jesse straight up until Todd stopped him) and now he wants to prove that he would never work with a rat. That he (Jack) has given Jesse a fate that he perceives to be worse than death.
While there may have been stretches to keep the plot going (what series doesn't have it?), Gilligan masterfully was able to use all of the characters' motivations to provide logical reasoning to those stretches. At least for me.
As for the Lydia thing - it's really not far fetched to assume that Lydia likes to do everything the same exact way - down to what table she sits at. I seem to recall that exact same table being the place that Walt and Lydia always met, and I believe Lydia sits at that table whenever she met with Todd as well. She's very methodical and, in the end, that was her weakness.
Also, it's really not a stretch to believe that Jack would want to prove his "honor" in the sense that he did care very deeply when Jesse was ratting out his nephew (he was ready to kill Jesse straight up until Todd stopped him) and now he wants to prove that he would never work with a rat. That he (Jack) has given Jesse a fate that he perceives to be worse than death.
While there may have been stretches to keep the plot going (what series doesn't have it?), Gilligan masterfully was able to use all of the characters' motivations to provide logical reasoning to those stretches. At least for me.
Isn't that kind of a bad thing? This isn't a Spielberg movie.
I REALLY doubt this.
This probably depends on if Jesse's confession tape is still around, or if Marie has seen it and/or how much she knows.
Without that I don't know if they have any reason to think Jesse is anything but a low level dealer.
We have had plenty of those. No thanks. We watched the entire series and were rewarded with a great ending that tied it all up. No depressing stunts to keep it real or ambiguity like the Sopranos finale.
why? It's pulp, it's plot driven. If we didn't get plot resolution, that would've been a cop-out imo.
And Spielberg makes great movies.
I think, for me at least, it's not necessarily wanting a darker ending so much as it is having a little bit of story whiplash. Ozymandias and Granite State are basically Walt brought low, his luck and schemes having run out, leaving behind a desperate man on the edge facing his end.
Feline winds up feeling strange because Walt is basically totally in control throughout. His luck is in full force with the car. He manages to get Gretchen and Elliot to dance to his tune (or at least appear to be doing so), and he sciences up an awesome and total defeat for his enemies. Jesse lives because Walt decrees it. He even schemes ricin into Lydia's Stevia, sealing off that little loophole.
So it's just weird, mentally, to go from Walt at the end of his rope to a Walt basically dictating the events of the finale. It's a solid finale, it just feels... Strange. It makes me wish for a five-minute epilogue where we find out all of his last schemes ultimately failed, and Walt died as deluded as he lived.
I didnt either, but i think its true. The only reason being that in interviews it has been said that walt goes back to ABQ to "Protect someone" the only person fitting that bill tonight was Jesse.
The whole show was about Walt doing everything on his own terms, except these final few episodes. I feel this episode was Walt acknowledging his downfall, and just going down with everyone around him. He has one last high by controlling everyone and everything, but this time he knows the motives behind his actions.
Walt was 100% pure in this episode.
Walt was 100% pure in this episode.
He definitely wanted to kill Jesse when he entered the meeting. That's why he waited for Jesse to be brought in before firing the M60. It wasn't until he saw how shitty he looked that he decided to save him.
Vince says this himself in the making of video.
They talked about this on Breaking Bad. You can make it a philosophical thing you want, but Vince admitted it was an "OH SHIT, CONTINUITY ERROR FIXED" thing. Given the flash forwards.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Actually this isn't the case. She usually sits against a window. Just fastforwarding through Granite State, and in her scene with Todd they were sitting back to back against a window. I could be forgetting something else, but from my memory she's always, and if not always then usually, sitting against a window.
There is no way that jesse won't be brought in, at the least. His fingerprints are all over that lab, his DNA is everywhere in that pit.
Personally, I doubt that any jury with a smidge of empathy is going to listen to his story and then go particularly hard on him. The guy was tortured into being a meth slave by nazi's, for christ sake. On top of all the other shit he has had to deal with. Jesse did wrong things, including murder, but if I were on the jury, I'd be hardpressed to kick his ass in any harder than the rest of his life already has.
CharminUltra
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?? any score between 9.5 (Felina was amazing) and 10 (while great it was certainly not perfect) sounds about right to me.
If they wanted clicks, they'd have gotten more by scoring it low.
Yes. I remember Cranston said that in his Rolling Stone interview way back last year. He said Walt was going back to protect someone. Hmm. I guess I just don't understand the scenes where Walt is talking about Jesse angrily (he's still alive!? He's cooking with them?).
I feel less lonely now having that opinion.
Walt feigned anger at Jack when he said Jack was supposed to kill Pinkman. It was just manipulation to set the scene for Walt making sure Jesse wouldn't die in the gunfire.
Like I said earlier, Walt going in there to kill Jesse goes against everything the episode was about. Walt did want Jack to kill Pinkman after the desert shootout, but his view on that as well as other matters changed.
Walt told Skyler that he did everything for him, not family. To me that pretty much encapsulates Walt accepting full responsibility in the pain he caused other people, especially Jesse.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Still a little upset that we never got Jesse in Walts class.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
I'm glad he actually cares about that stuff. A lesser show would just go with the flow and let the plot hole happen. Not this show though, not Gilligan!