shnurgleton
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I think it's the other way around.
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Brett Ratner claims Rotten Tomatoes is "the worst thing in movie culture" (poor BvS)
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I think it's the other way around.
Dash_Riprock
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The only people I ever see bitching about RT are fanboys looking to validate their obsession with action figure and butthurt filmmakers.
I agree actually. I don't like RT or any site that aggregates reviews. Even if the movie is bad, the staff puts a lot of effort and money into these films. If you have buddy and they say a movie sucks and you usually agree with them or respect their opinion then that's perfectly okay. However, to look at a number and devalue a movie based off of the opinions of strangers... that's bogus.
Jesus Carbomb
From Water into Guinness
*two thumbs up*
What did he mean by this?
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Review aggregators are great
But Rotten Tomatoes is a terrible version of that. What should be an objective concept has been corrupted by Rotten Tomatoes
1. The Misleading Likeabilty Metric
In theory its a good idea. Scores have their own biases and criteria per critic, but rather they like it or not is more applicable to the common viewer. But the way this likeability metric is propped up over the actual review average is very misleading due to how that "Rotten Tomatoe score" is commonly associated with metrics such as IMBD score or Metacritic score when those metrics are not at all the same. And Rotten Tomatoes as a company makes no effort to correct that misrepresentation but instead profits off it
2. The "Critics Consensus"
Who is writing these? What credentials do they have? What gives them the right to reduce hundreds of reviews to 1 or 2 sentences written by some completely anonymous representative who then sets an entire narrative for what a layman is viewing. Its further obfuscation from persons actually reading reviews
But Rotten Tomatoes is a terrible version of that. What should be an objective concept has been corrupted by Rotten Tomatoes
1. The Misleading Likeabilty Metric
In theory its a good idea. Scores have their own biases and criteria per critic, but rather they like it or not is more applicable to the common viewer. But the way this likeability metric is propped up over the actual review average is very misleading due to how that "Rotten Tomatoe score" is commonly associated with metrics such as IMBD score or Metacritic score when those metrics are not at all the same. And Rotten Tomatoes as a company makes no effort to correct that misrepresentation but instead profits off it
2. The "Critics Consensus"
Who is writing these? What credentials do they have? What gives them the right to reduce hundreds of reviews to 1 or 2 sentences written by some completely anonymous representative who then sets an entire narrative for what a layman is viewing. Its further obfuscation from persons actually reading reviews
CopperPuppy
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Confirmed no idea what the fuck he's talking about.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Lifejumper
Member
Nahh.. Metacritics weighing system sucks + they assign scores to scoreless reviews.
EDIT: For movies anyways.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
But
I mean
Your movies
I mean
Your movies
I agree. I don't get why opinions for severely subjective things like art/film are ranked and are used as some sort of definitive acknowledgment. Even worse when it's used as a sales ad.
But I'm a former system warrior, so I get the passion behind it. But at the end of the day BVS was terrible. With our without aggregated opinions saying so.
I watch all content from 1 star to 5. Life's a bit more entertaining to see the horrible and the good. It really makes the good stand out.
It gives random critics far too much power over content and products. But society is at fault for valuing others opinions more and more. Especially when they can be hyped into a good score via swag/culture of falling in line with Hollywood's next HUGE movie.. etc. Or trolls that just want to shit all over something...
I like reviews for products I purchase. I find out if they are going to break after a while. Or common defaults that burn the house down.
But I'm a former system warrior, so I get the passion behind it. But at the end of the day BVS was terrible. With our without aggregated opinions saying so.
I watch all content from 1 star to 5. Life's a bit more entertaining to see the horrible and the good. It really makes the good stand out.
It gives random critics far too much power over content and products. But society is at fault for valuing others opinions more and more. Especially when they can be hyped into a good score via swag/culture of falling in line with Hollywood's next HUGE movie.. etc. Or trolls that just want to shit all over something...
I like reviews for products I purchase. I find out if they are going to break after a while. Or common defaults that burn the house down.
I thin review aggregation in general is valuable, because we are suddenly in the last decade inundated with media. Like... Too much. I have no way of playing every RPG that comes out, for example. And I'm not invested enough in any one reviewer or even review site to trust their opinions wholeheartedly. With meta critic though, I've basically never been led astray. When I say 'fuck the low meta critic score, I'm sure I'll enjoy it anyway!' like 80% of the time I feel like I wasted my money. The same goes for movies... I wish I had that BvS and suicide squad money back.
Netherscourge
Banned
This is true. I live by this.
I only go see movies that score 70% or higher on RT.
-not even joking.
In fact, when it comes to movies that score as poorly as BvS, I make sure nobody else goes to see it. I stand at the entrance to the theater and hold my arms and legs out and tell people to go get a refund before it's too late.
I love reading the argument that a Warner Brothers subsidiary is ruining the reputation of a Warner Brothers movie.
I saw the movie the day after it released, no reviews read or score checked from Rotten Tomatoes beforehand. I still say it mega sucked. Where is your argument now Brett Ratner?
I saw the movie the day after it released, no reviews read or score checked from Rotten Tomatoes beforehand. I still say it mega sucked. Where is your argument now Brett Ratner?
Your loss.
Dash_Riprock
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BronsonLee
Member
I mean RT is shit
But so is Brett Ratner
hmmmm
But so is Brett Ratner
hmmmm
BadAss2961
Member
He's right. Same thing happened to games long ago with reviews largely dictating word of mouth.
More things are made with critics in mind now. Encourages review safe formulas which often results in forgettable experiences.
More things are made with critics in mind now. Encourages review safe formulas which often results in forgettable experiences.
jack_package_200
Banned
It can't just be that the movie is shit...
Very true
I do agree that both RT (and metacritic) are pretty bad. People should make their own decisions to watch movies or play games based off the trailers, previews etc. Only use those for things you're on the fence about, even then, it'd be better to just have a few reviewers who mirror your tastes and see what they've said about it rather than just make quality judgements based on a number.
But people in general, are too lazy.
But people in general, are too lazy.
BronsonLee
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The only opinion Movie-GAF should take into account is
Mine, of course.
What.
Did you expect me to say Bobby?
What.
Did you expect me to say Bobby?
Sibersk Esto
Banned
The Transformers films seem to do well.
TheTylerRob
Member
Lmao Sausage Party has an 83%... Brett Ratner is right RT was a mistake.
This too. But..bvs, isn't the proper messenger for this opinion. It's a topic worthy of discussion tho. I hate design by mass opinion movies, rather than hiring a professional with a vision. It's probably why most dc projects fail. Trying too hard to statistically create marvels success via mass opinion/screening/surveys.
moltonasty
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I think the main issue with RT is that people don't realize what the score means. People see a 27 % for BvS and think that it's the average review score. So in a way he's right?
I don't get his dig at middle America. Is the implication that they are just too dumb to understand how Rotten Tomatoes work?
Isn't a serious political drama with tons of religious symbolism that features a boy from Kansas exactly the kind of movie that appeals to Middle America in the first place?
So many unanswered questions. It must be the critics' fault.
Isn't a serious political drama with tons of religious symbolism that features a boy from Kansas exactly the kind of movie that appeals to Middle America in the first place?
So many unanswered questions. It must be the critics' fault.
JeTmAn81
Member
Thor 2 was better
Pfft trying to act like Superman isn't an illegal immigrant
Crimson_Echidna
Banned
People were going to drag the shit out of BvS whether or not Rotten Tomatoes existed. Word of Mouth and the Internet would still be a thing.
jack_package_200
Banned
Its Brett Ratner being an insulting asshole like usual.
Remember when it was implied that BvS may be "too smart" for some audiences due to its deeper and more serious themes?
Then Lex Luthor left pee on a desk then made a monster out of his DNA and an alien corpse, Batman hit Superman with a toilet and they stopped fighting because they both had a mother named Martha.
Middle America is too stupid to tango with the philosophical beast of a film that this was
Kill Your Masters
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Word of mouth is the worst thing in movie culture, we should just shut up and let everyone decide by themselves! (while the execs and producers already took our cash no matter if we liked the product or not)
Frozenprince
Banned
Pull up the flow chart.
AudioEppa
Member
Pretty much my same opinion. If something looks interesting I'll end up watching it, or not. Then if I do watch it, the next phase is well I actually like it.
And I love how sometimes people get defensive over criticizing these number systems like Metacritic and RT. Because either they really can't decide for themselves, Or they like having these scores for bragging / argument purposes.
If a movie or game there not interested in gets a bad score there ready to 'HaHaHa TOLD YOUUU' But if it's some shit there hyped about and it gets good ratings. There quick to pop a picture of its rating like it's a newborn baby showing it off with pride and joy lol
Hari Seldon
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"Movies were better when we could trick the middle american plebs into seeing anything with a poster and a trailer."
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