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Britain to lose EU 'Crown Jewels' of Medicine and Banking within 'weeks'
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Chittagong
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UK leaves EU. EU institutions can't reside in UK. How is this news?
The more important news is that none of the members will negotiate a trade deal with UK before the exit deal is done. And that's not exactly news either. Except for May perhaps.
The more important news is that none of the members will negotiate a trade deal with UK before the exit deal is done. And that's not exactly news either. Except for May perhaps.
Because rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves. We're a bunch of old racist fucks
I think that's how it goes.
Miles Quaritch
Member
That's actually news for a lot of people. Some on here were even claiming deals would be hashed out before we left, now we have confirmation that won't be case.
DarthMasta
Member
This whole thing is silly. EU institutions were always going to leave the UK, EU institutions are based in the EU, not in some foreign country, which the UK is becoming.
It doesn't mean the financial industry is moving, or the medical one. The speed might be surprising, and nobody agreeing to early trade deals might be news to more hopeful folks, but that was also "known".
All it means for the moment, is that EU institutions should be based in the EU, and Britain is in the process of being not-EU, ergo, the institutions need to move. And even the timing makes sense, I'd guess moving this sort of things takes it's time.
The rest, financial and medical industry moving / changing due to Brexit is also coming, but nobody knows what exactly that'll entail, since the negotiations haven't ended yet...
The sky isn't falling.
It doesn't mean the financial industry is moving, or the medical one. The speed might be surprising, and nobody agreeing to early trade deals might be news to more hopeful folks, but that was also "known".
All it means for the moment, is that EU institutions should be based in the EU, and Britain is in the process of being not-EU, ergo, the institutions need to move. And even the timing makes sense, I'd guess moving this sort of things takes it's time.
The rest, financial and medical industry moving / changing due to Brexit is also coming, but nobody knows what exactly that'll entail, since the negotiations haven't ended yet...
The sky isn't falling.
Miles Quaritch
Member
LOL, negotiations haven't ended yet.
When did they start?
When did they start?
Things are looking pretty good. Whatever helps you to sleep better at night I guess
Spaced Harrier
Member
I saw an article in the express (lol I know) where Ireland was being portrayed as sneaky, disingenuous, traitorous, because instead of siding with the UK the minister confirmed something along the lines that Ireland acting with the other EU 27. No appetite trade negotiations etc.
We chose to side with the EU over the UK.
It's like they can't understand we didn't chose to side with the EU, We Are the EU.
There was no other way it was going shake out.
Comments were golden too.
DarthMasta
Member
Shortly after the British voted to leave, initial arguments from Britain were "We'll eat all the cake and still have it, smelly Euros will fold without glorious Britannia", countered by the EU position of "Actually, you'll get nothing and you'll like it, nobody likes you guys, this isn't the 19th century anymore".
More grownup arguments followed from there, but I'd guess we're still pretty close to the initial positions...
PdotMichael
Banned
It's the British old paranoia since Napoleon that a somehow united Europe would be directed against the UK. Being in the EU, enjoying benefits and special deals for decades wasn't able to fix that.
Can't be helped at that point.
DarthMasta
Member
I'm Portuguese, the fate of London/England/UK isn't exactly what's keeping me up at night.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Yet David Davis running around like a beheaded chicken, telling people that no decision has been made yet (Financial Times).
Also negotiations have not started yet. So if this is how things are going to play, somebody is about to get a dressing.
I can get actual citations about glutinous cake quotes, yet for the life in me, I cannot see any European officials saying anything like that. As a matter of fact, the EU has been rather germane about it and gave countless warnings about what would happen.
We were already sovereign and that's what pisses me off so much.
The government could've changed half of the things they promised in the leave campaign years ago with our current cushy position with in the EU. The tories just did what they've wanted for 40 years and let the crazy anti-EU backbenchers win by giving them a referendum which they then spent millions of pounds in supporting the leave campaign.
It's the exact same thing as what happened with the AV vote. FPTP is awful, we could've had something better, but the tories knowing how good it was for them poured millions in advertising an anti-AV sentiment. AV never had a chance.
Next you're gonna say the Irish use Euro instead of sticking with good ol' pounds!
Spaced Harrier
Member
To be honest I try to get by on charm and good looks alone but it feels like inflation is really kicking in lately.
I mean it's pretty clear that british politicians overplayed their hand by thinking the EU would shake from Brexit and that they still were able to project so much power to force decisions like they when they were a superpower 100 years ago.
The only question is whether they truly believe this nonsense or they're just lying their ass off.
Davis is a clown and he will say whatever shit sticks with the brexit crowd.
Depends on which side of this argument you are on.
What?
We just need to imagine that the EU financial and medicine agencies are here and it'll be true.
Brexit is like the secret except dumber, failure is because of a lack of belief from non brexiteers​.
Ask yourself, what would a person on bath salts think?
DarthMasta
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I'm exaggerating for effect, I'm assuming the British are still down for this sort of thing, surely Brexit doesn't mean the end of everything that is good and decent about them...
I'm exaggerating for effect, I'm assuming the British are still down for this sort of thing, surely Brexit doesn't mean the end of everything that is good and decent about them...
The truth is one side is a toddler and the other side is the parent putting it in the corner after it drew on the walls.
boxoctosis
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I'm exaggerating for effect, I'm assuming the British are still down for this sort of thing, surely Brexit doesn't mean the end of everything that is good and decent about them...
It clearly doesn't. The thing for me is that there are clear and immediate costs for Brexit, which the Remain side will point at and make capital from. Or try to, I'm not sure either side is listening any more, if they ever were. And the benefits from Brexit are longer term and somewhat nebulous (not being attached to the creeping federal super-state, not being subject to the downsides of free movement of people and capital for instance). So there's an asymmetrical side to any thread or discussion like this.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
He is also the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union.
Stallion Dan
Member
It's on both sides, had one remainer post it would great that people may die yesterday.
KonradLaw
Member
Not really. Everybody wants a good deal, but what counts as a good deal for UK would give them unfair advantage in EU market over actual EU countries. And that won't happen. Since Brits seem to be keen on regaining as much independence as possible their access to single market will without a doubt be limited.
creeping federal super state? Ok...
Stop taking EU jobs away from the UK you big EU meanies! We hate the EU!
I think the government presumes London is so important that the EU has to concede on these things in a deal and I don't disagree with the former. We will have to wait and see but not looking good. Nothing is coming as surprise, we all knew this was likely possible. I still can't quite grasp what the government thinks they'll get out of Brexit, their jobs are safe, tax haven, buddies with business, get rich. Are they idiots or selfishly riding the gravy train to retirement?
I think the government presumes London is so important that the EU has to concede on these things in a deal and I don't disagree with the former. We will have to wait and see but not looking good. Nothing is coming as surprise, we all knew this was likely possible. I still can't quite grasp what the government thinks they'll get out of Brexit, their jobs are safe, tax haven, buddies with business, get rich. Are they idiots or selfishly riding the gravy train to retirement?
It was me. I have no qualms about saying it again. One of the likely outcomes from this is the death rate and destitution amongst the demographic that voted for this will likely rise. I consider that a small positive in the long run. I want less racists. I would prefer they die off faster.
The funny thing is, I didn't vote for any of that. You did.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Some are true believers, some are cynics who've spent a long time whipping people into a fury over the EU (Boris used to make up stupid regulations to complain about in newspapers) that now they have to face the consequences.
It is possible that we could flourish outside the EU. Technically that is possible. But for such a vast undertaking one would demand a rigorous and extensive plan. There is none. There is no visible strategy even for the negotiations. I hope that it works out well, but putting the three amigos in charge of Brexit was a huge error. Politically it makes sense to do so, but May is far too cynical in this regard.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
Looking forward to the cheap holiday destination when the pound plummets.
GeordieMark
Member
Classy, and complete bollocks.
Muffin1611
Banned
Aaaaand, I stopped reading.
Nobody should have read it. In another thread he made his nutty isolationist ideology very clear.
A rare Ruby in the spectrum of brexiteering delusion.
Is it?
Australia along with Switzerland are the two countries with the highest immigration rates.
So Australia has 526,000 born in China, 470,000 Indian born, 236,000 Vietnamese, 246000 Philippinos, 166000 Malays, 100000 Koreans, 90000+ Lebanese and Sri Lankans, 73000 Indonesians, 62000 Fijians, etc etc. and 600000+ NZers many of who are Maoris. There are 2.4M people born in South and East Asia living in Australia.
So there are East Asians of many flavours, Pacific Islanders, South Asians, a good number of the Middle East etc These are pretty big numbers in a population of 24M.
The percentage of Australians identifiying as Chinese heritage is about the same as all Asians in the USA. That doesn't count the Viets, Malays, Koreans, Japanese, etc which takes the East Asian percentage to close to 10%.
Now the refugee boat people policy is fucking awful and inhuman. But that's an example where the government decreed they did not want boat arrivals which was a huge business for people traffickers. But that doesn't excuse the treatment of the people that arrived. Its overly harsh and terrible.
Like the USA we have a lot of people from the neighbourhood, ie SE Asia. Less from places further away. But that's hardly surprising.
If I was the govt I'd advocate for free movement with Oz, Nz and Canada in exchange for not engaging in Brexit. Call it the Dominion or The White Dominions if not subtle enough for the xenophobes. The racists can deal with the easier immigration from antipodeans and Canadians by the fact they can go to Oz and stuff easier. The EU may be open to the idea since it can stop the uk being involved in shitting the bed for other EU countries by leaving. I think this could allow them to leave with a huge win that the racists could deal with.
Some more info on the EMA stuff, almost every other country in the EU wants it.
http://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotec...es-lengthens-as-head-calls-for-rapid-decision
http://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotec...es-lengthens-as-head-calls-for-rapid-decision
Miles Quaritch
Member
So you're saying it's no big loss.
Royal_Phalanx
Member
As a leftist you should be OK with free movement of people and all that, freedom to live wherever you want? Sounds like a good thing.
Oh for sure, it's the 3rd largest EU agency-
Err, I mean, it's such a hassle for the country it's in, Finland would glaaaaadly take this burden off UK's hands (medical equipment being one of our major exports has nothing to do with it, I ensure you)
Doctor_Thomas
Member
I'm going to post this, it's from Twitter, but it sums up what I think pretty well.
I can only speak for myself but it was clear there's going to be an economical impact.
Binding decisions made by officials elected by other countries doesn't sound like sovereignity for me.
And of course the anti-immigration course was part of the appeal, even if the tone was rough. I don't think I've ever made a secret about not being a fan of mass immigration. What's interesting is that you think being anti-immigration automatically means being racist at which point I can safely disregard your future posts on this matter.
Ever closer union, more and more decisions made by Brussels. How does that not sound like a federal super state? The comission is even trying to control the energy sector now when the treaties make clear that it's a national issue. But that doesn't stop those leeches from their power grab.
ClosingADoor
Member
Would you also say that your local town needs to be able to make all decisions themselves? Should Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales, be able to 100% decide everything on their own?
Also, the UK has a say and veto in every important decision. Blame your own government for not using it.
Give me a downside of more energy integration please that these "leeches" want to force upon you? You might notice that all EU states import and export energy from each other, which is needed in the transition to green energy to deal with demand peaks and lows. Or is this about energy saving vacuum cleaners or light bulbs?
boxoctosis
Member
I don't agree. Weak control of free movement of people isn't always a good thing for a society, as the UK and Europe is finding out.
In any case, free movement is a myth, it's only free movement within the EU. I think a lot of people who advocate free movement would think again if we opened it up globally. There would be chaos.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Here's the big question though (and I do want to point out, the UK government already made a statement before triggering Article 50 to say we always had sovereignty - the fact we're able to leave shows that) but what decisions made by the EU did you disagree with?
ClosingADoor
Member
Of course free movement on a global scale is bad, since the economic differences are too large. That is why the EU has rules and standards that states have to meet before joining.
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
Aww bless.
Maybe leave voters should stop being racist and xenophobic. I find that kind of behavior can give off a somewhat cuntish impression.
What does that even have to do with EU FoM? Who is talking about global FoM? Are you literally making shit up now to explain how you claim to be from the far left but voted because of far right reasons?
Royal_Phalanx
Member
Which is why it's limited to the EU. Economic blocs open themselves up to worker movement, it's a result of close economic integration. It isn't a bad thing. And it is controlled. You have 3 months to look for a job and you have to leave if you can't support yourself after that time. I don't want global FoM either, and no advocate of free movement except for anarcho-capitalists wants that. But I believe that free movement between countries in economic blocs is the way of the future. You've got Mercosur and the African Union wanting the same between their members, as an example of 2 trade bodies advocating this.
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