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Bungie at X05? Hmmm....

daegan said:
MGS 1 and 2 sold best in the US, as far as I can recall. 3 was different mostly because of launching around a GTA and a Halo title.

However, Halo 2 is absolutely polarizing the same way MGS2 was. Halo 2 came towards the end of a console lifecycle and alienated a lot of people who loved the first title for the same reason MGS2 did, being the furthering of the story past cut-and-dry, black-and-white, good-and-bad. I wouldn't expect Halo 3, when it comes, to do the same kind of numbers. They'll be BIG numbers, yes, but not H1/H2 numbers.
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See, you say it alienated lots of people, but I don't see much evidence of this (what could there be, really?). The game remains insanely popular (the total online players each day is as high or higher in the months right after launch), continues to sell well and a sequel is the #1 game people request for the 360 on polls when it's a choice.

The proof will be in the sales numbers, but Halo 2 looks like it did nothing but make the franchise more popular.
 
daegan said:
MGS 1 and 2 sold best in the US, as far as I can recall. 3 was different mostly because of launching around a GTA and a Halo title.

However, Halo 2 is absolutely polarizing the same way MGS2 was. Halo 2 came towards the end of a console lifecycle and alienated a lot of people who loved the first title for the same reason MGS2 did, being the furthering of the story past cut-and-dry, black-and-white, good-and-bad. I wouldn't expect Halo 3, when it comes, to do the same kind of numbers. They'll be BIG numbers, yes, but not H1/H2 numbers.
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I think you've a point, the only saving grace of Halo 2 is the MP and even that mode has some serious flaws, Considering that there are less than 400k (500K if you take in consideration tunneling apps) unique players online and the game was bought by 5M aprox. I would not expect the same sale numbers.
That said I really, really, really, really hope that Bungie can redeem Halo.
 
FiRez said:
I think you've a point, the only saving grace of Halo 2 is the MP and even that mode has some serious flaws, Considering that there are less than 400k (500K if you take in consideration tunneling apps) unique players online and the game was bought by 5M aprox. I would not expect the same sale numbers.
That said I really, really, really, really hope that Bungie can redeem Halo.
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Bungie has said in the past month that they have 2m unique players each week still; pretty much everyone on XBox Live. The unique players on Bungie.net are for the past 24 hours only.
 
GhaleonEB said:
See, you say it alienated lots of people, but I don't see much evidence of this (what could there be, really?). The game remains insanely popular (the total online players each day is as high or higher in the months right after launch), continues to sell well and a sequel is the #1 game people request for the 360 on polls when it's a choice.

The proof will be in the sales numbers, but Halo 2 looks like it did nothing but make the franchise more popular.
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www.halo2sucks.com
(despite the title they have some good points, and at least that shows that the people appreciated the first game so much to point the flaws of the sequel)
and you must be living under a rock the first moths after the Halo 2 release the critique was insane, even IGN apologized for giving too much score to Halo 2, besides that do you remeber how Halo:CE continued selling even 2 years after it release, reaching 70K-90k copies in a month. H2 didn't achieve that
 
GhaleonEB said:
Bungie has said in the past month that they have 2m unique players each week still; pretty much everyone on XBox Live. The unique players on Bungie.net are for the past 24 hours only.
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really? My bad, like you said I was just looking at the 24hrs stats
 
FiRez said:
www.halo2sucks.com
(despite the title they have some good points, and at least that shows that the people appreciated the first game so much to point the flaws of the sequel)
and you must be living under a rock the first moths after the Halo 2 release the critique was insane, even IGN apologized for giving too much score to Halo 2, besides that do you remeber how Halo:CE continued selling even 2 years after it release, reaching 70K-90k copies in a month. H2 didn't achieve that
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That's because Halo 2 outsold Halo in the first two months.
 
FiRez said:
www.halo2sucks.com
(despite the title they have some good points, and at least that shows that the people appreciated the first game so much to point the flaws of the sequel)
and you must be living under a rock the first moths after the Halo 2 release the critique was insane, even IGN apologized for giving too much score to Halo 2, besides that do you remeber how Halo:CE continued selling even 2 years after it release, reaching 70K-90k copies in a month. H2 didn't achieve that
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I've read all those sites and criticisms; I have an number of the same issues with the game (most of which were fixed with the first Autoupdate).

Please don't drag this thread down into an insipid debate over Halo vs. Halo 2. Halo.

We've had enough of those.
 
TheJollyCorner said:
they'd be goddamn fools not to have SOME kind of Halo 3 teaser.

MS collectively shit their pants when MGS4 was shown... on top of Konami saying the fucking game could be out as soon as next year (I'll believe it when I see it)- you bet your cock and balls Halo 3 will be at X05 in some way/shape/or form.
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i agree.

and i think it will look spectacular!
 
All of you expecting to see Halo 3 at X05, get ready to set your faces to stun 'cause it ain't happening. You might as well start with the "OMG I AM DISSAPOINTMENT!" threads now so you can get it out of your system.
 
Hitler Stole My Potato said:
All of you expecting to see Halo 3 at X05, get ready to set your faces to stun 'cause it ain't happening. You might as well start with the "OMG I AM DISSAPOINTMENT!" threads now so you can get it out of your system.
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I agree.

The unveiling of PD0 will be THE MS feature at X05.
 
GhaleonEB said:
I thought those were the MGS4 threads.
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But the xbots need their own threads as well. Equal rights and stuff like that. It would be great if MGS4 and Halo 3 launched at about the same time so that the fans can kill each other in the excitment. Hey, it's war. People do get killed, you know.
 
ToyMachine's Halo 3 Wishlist

Single-Player
- More gameplay and level design (After you left Earth in Halo 2 it just became a dual-wielding fest without any strategy that Halo: CE offered)
- More feelings that you are actually fighting a war. Once again this could be done with design.
- Better use of music. Marty O'Donnel did some amazing stuff for Halo 2, possibly even better than what he did in Halo: CE, but it wasn't used as well to evoke emotion.
- No freaking pop-up textures in the cut-scenes

Multiplayer
- Remove the Plasma Pistol altogether
- Don't bring Burial Mounds back
 
Firez might quit crying about 2 not being like 1 some day...if we're lucky...

- Don't bring Burial Mounds back
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Blasphemy friend...one of the best BR/Sniper levels in the game,if not the best.
 
ToyMachine228 said:
ToyMachine's Halo 3 Wishlist

Single-Player
- More gameplay and level design (After you left Earth in Halo 2 it just became a dual-wielding fest without any strategy that Halo: CE offered)
- More feelings that you are actually fighting a war. Once again this could be done with design.
- Better use of music. Marty O'Donnel did some amazing stuff for Halo 2, possibly even better than what he did in Halo: CE, but it wasn't used as well to evoke emotion.
- No freaking pop-up textures in the cut-scenes

Multiplayer
- Remove the Plasma Pistol altogether
- Don't bring Burial Mounds back
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That is a pretty good list. I'd like to see less of the same halls over and over as well.
 
They don't even need to remove the plasma pistol, they just need to take a cue from Marathon's fusion pistol and have it self-destruct, killing the wielder, if you keep it charged up too long. Lower the tracking on the shot a little bit more and bam its fixed.
 
Mr. Lemming said:
They don't even need to remove the plasma pistol, they just need to take a cue from Marathon's fusion pistol and have it self-destruct, killing the wielder, if you keep it charged up too long. Lower the tracking on the shot a little bit more and bam its fixed.
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Yes, lower the tracking and while it's over heated make it so you cannot switch weapons until it's cooled down ridding Halo 3 of "teh noob combo"
 
Ramirez said:
How is it awful?
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I just don't find it to be very fun. It's a decent map for Assault and single flag CTF, but it seems that Matchmaking dropped me on Burial Mounds for slayer, and BM is just horribly unbalanced for that. 95% of games were largely decided by which team got into the base, and especially if they snagged the rocket launcher. The height advantage combined with good cover and good spawn weapons made that gametime very frustrating on the map.
 
burial mounds made for gret games of assualt and ctf (single flag) without a doubt though. its a good map for that. i think my beef, and many others, is its cycled to much for slayer.
 
Uncle said:
But the xbots need their own threads as well. Equal rights and stuff like that. It would be great if MGS4 and Halo 3 launched at about the same time so that the fans can kill each other in the excitment. Hey, it's war. People do get killed, you know.
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Can you stop with the namecalling and belittling ? It doesnt make you look any more sophisticated or special.

As for the console wars shit, thats just lame. Why anyone thinks its cool to put it in a game is beyond me.
 
op_ivy said:
burial mounds made for gret games of assualt and ctf (single flag) without a doubt though. its a good map for that. i think my beef, and many others, is its cycled to much for slayer.
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I don't think Burial Mounds is any good for objective based games. IMO and I'm sure most would agree, BM is the weakest Halo 2 map (along with Colossus). Defense gets a sniper, rockets, the PP/BR combo, 2 turrets, shotgun, a ghost (which can be used to destroy the hog/get the sword/steal the offenses sniper rifle very easily)... It's very unbalanced. Way too easy to get spawn killed on Burial Mounds as well. That and the fact that there's nothing special about the map - it looks ugly, has no interaction, and nothing else cool going for it.

The best objective based maps are the ones which are fun for both defense and offense, such as Zanzibar IMO.
 
Ryudo said:
Can you stop with the namecalling and belittling ?
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I doubt it. People who get so worked up because of some companies and their products deserve it. It's like this place is full of desperate stockholders or something.
 
Piper Az said:
Halo, at least outside of Japan, looks to have much larger popularity (hardcore and mainstream) over MGS. When esteemed media giants like the New York Times and BBC have articles about Halo, it's gotta be well recognized. MGS, while fairly popular everywhere, has its largest audience in Japan, IMO. How all of this fits into whether MS should show it at X05 is another issue.
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Even im surprised by Halo popularity. I just watched the Longest Yard (Adam Sandler film) last night, they gave a shout out to Halo 2, it was like "OMG you got Halo2??!!"

Same goes for 40 year old virgin, Halo2 was mentioned. Bungie have created a monster
 
Prine said:
Even im surprised by Halo popularity. I just watched the Longest Yard (Adam Sandler film) last night, they gave a shout out to Halo 2, it was like "OMG you got Halo2??!!"

Same goes for 40 year old virgin, Halo2 was mentioned. Bungie have created a monster
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They played Halo in the US version of Coupling (that sucks so bad it's difficult to understand). I've seen it on some other TV series as well, but can't remember what it was.
 
Burial Mounds is the worst map of any FPS i've played. Absolute disaster of a map

I dont care if im with a team of Gaffers or friends, i'll quit that shit as soon as it begins. A big "Fuck You!" to the person who designed that piece of shit map.
 
Uncle said:
I doubt it. People who get so worked up because of some companies and their products deserve it. It's like this place is full of desperate stockholders or something.
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I can agree with most of that, but it doesnt make the forum any better now does it ?
 
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