What is proprietary about Bluetooth and/or Lightning? I see plenty of 3rd party devices using these interface standards.
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Buzzfeed: Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack
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What is proprietary about Bluetooth and/or Lightning? I see plenty of 3rd party devices using these interface standards.
Joyful
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probably costs 50 cents to make
Hmmm. So the only way we can get audio now instead of a universal plug is now done via a proprietary plug that only your company provides? That's a better way? Bullshit man. Apple wants to make more bank by selling more adapters because you will need to buy a separate adapter if you want to listen to music and charge your phone at the same time. Plus getting people to buy your $160 wireless airpods.
3.5mm is a standard that isn't really on it's way out, despite corporations attempting to force it. Removing it entirely to be replaced with dongles and wireless tech that sacrifices audio quality and/or multitasking (unless you want a dongle to split headphones and charge cables) is hardly progressive. Bluetooth is not proprietary, but lightning certainly is.
Bruce Springsteen
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If you're truly courageous you wouldn't be using the 3.5mm jack
Solid article.
It ends up being the price of engineering smaller devices with increasingly demanding battery requirements, connectivity and functionality.
I'll be getting the phone and I'll still lament the loss of the 3.5mm audio port.
This would be an easier pill to swallow if the lightning port was a usb c port. A lightning specific headset can't be used on anything right now. Not even my macbook pro.
It ends up being the price of engineering smaller devices with increasingly demanding battery requirements, connectivity and functionality.
I'll be getting the phone and I'll still lament the loss of the 3.5mm audio port.
This would be an easier pill to swallow if the lightning port was a usb c port. A lightning specific headset can't be used on anything right now. Not even my macbook pro.
SwiftDeath
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Honestly at this point seeing a lot of people's reactions to this, people seem like they're just going to let it go and deal with losing straight connectivity between their new phone and every wired headset they've ever owned.
I have no interest in the Airbuds and doubt I'll be buying any bluetooth headphones anytime soon.
But damn if the reasons given aren't just fucking insulting
I have no interest in the Airbuds and doubt I'll be buying any bluetooth headphones anytime soon.
But damn if the reasons given aren't just fucking insulting
- More Space for Camera Tech -> So the main benefit to consumers is a slightly better camera on the smaller model only apparently at the cost of direct compatibility with 99% of wired headphones on the market and that they would already own? Also what reasoning is given for the Plus not having a 3.5" jack then?
- Battery Life -> "Unforeseen Opportunity" so not a reason Apple actually removed the jack
- Better, modern solution available so crazy to keep it around -> Bullshit non-starter. Better solution is incredibly subjective and a wired audio solution is always going to offer the same or better audio quality with no need to charge so it will be a fight of those benefits versus potential convenience
- Taptic Engine -> Again made easier by removing the jack, specifically stated as not the reason why it was removed.
- Easier Water resistance -> Several flagships phone have come out in the last couple of years that were water resistant that had 3.5" jacks so no-go
Okay, fair enough. Not a bad price, for whatever that's worth.
Saw a verge article about the pricing, and theres a slight remark at the end that was obviously meant as nothing more than banter, but it really came across to me as a weird exact example of how apple is doing forced obsolecence here:
Linkythe verge said:
Samsung doesn't need Apple to innovate at this point, they have gone their own route. Wireless charging, manual camera controls,
can't believe I'm saying this but 3.5mm jack
Blue tooth is a standard, lightening is not.
It's proprietary; what is proprietary about it?
The fact... It is? lol
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_(connector)
There's quite literally no progress whatsoever here. In fact, it's the opposite.
They're flat out full of shit on this. The water resistance one is particularly insulting. They're hoping the sheep don't pay attention enough to the competition.
Why? What is the valid reason behind its removal when phones continue to do what the iPhone 7 does with a jack.
Bluetooth isn'tsome revolutionary tech, its just Apple wanting to justify ridiculous prfit margins on wireless earbuds. There is no reason.
Just wait for the iPhone that gets rid of the screen. Then they can make it even thinner!
i own no apple products. i don't use facebook. neogaf sucks though
I don't own anything Apple-related, so I'll talk as much shit as I want.
rokkerkory
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$$$$$$$$
I wouldn't be surprised if they got rid of all ports in five years. Next year they'll probably switch to usb c then down the road to wireless charging.
I hope you're right (love the galaxy range). I've just been uneasy with them since they tried to pull off getting rid of microsd.
God Dayumm
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coz
XGRaViSmOrSX
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From a pure hardware design standpoint I'll wait for the ifixit.com teardown to see if anything has really changed internally. The way the 6/6s was laid out removing the headphone jack without redesigning the dock and changing the location the taptic vibrator woukd result in no net gain of internal space for anything. And assuming that they now have stereo speakers on the bottom it leaves me believing even less that the 7 needed the remove the port for anything other than selling lightning devices and adding drm chipsets to aftermarket wired headphones.
Exactly. 3.5mm existed as early as 1964, and Bluetooth came to be around 1989.
marvelharvey
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Will the Apple Car have wheels? Do they not know how old that tech is?
Yeah don't know why I thought it was that old, corrected that.
"Proprietary" would imply that it's limited to Apple-manufactured devices, and not able to be licensed. I wouldn't consider technology that can be licensed at a reasonable fee to be proprietary.
They showed internal pictures earlier today. You can see the hardware layout.
You an iTruther fam?
XGRaViSmOrSX
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I'm willing to bet it will use a proprietary charging system and not use any type of industry standard connector.
Zombie James
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I posted this in another thread but I think it makes more sense here:
https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/07/courage/
https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/07/courage/
You really don't get what Proprietary means, do you?
It wouldn't be the first bone-headed decision they've made. It's coming in less than 2 years and we all need to prepare ourselves.
Luckily, I'll still have my vinyls and Spotify.
There are 2 speakers, one in the bottom and another one on top.
If the Apple Car takes gasoline, you'll need to buy an adapter to insert regular gas pumps to refill your tank. It hangs outside of the car and if you lose it you'll need to get another one.
faceless007
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No, "owned by a primary actor who controls the licensing" is literally the definition of "proprietary." I think you're confusing that with open vs. closed standard.
That would make sense if they didn't have an adapter.
Mostly sounds like some sort of nonsensical whack job conspiracy theory.
http://www.macworld.com/article/311...h-apples-iphone-7-headphone-jack-adapter.html <-Square payment and other associated devices still work over the lighting port over the adapter.
wireless is the future
removing the headphone jack now, which is not the future at all, is just creating a problem to solve with an overpriced solution
I don't think anyone would bitch if the airpods had been, let's say, $50, or $60 at a push, but they can't, because there probably is no way to do the airpods for that cheap yet
which is why forcing it on people in this way at this time is shitty and cynical
removing the headphone jack now, which is not the future at all, is just creating a problem to solve with an overpriced solution
I don't think anyone would bitch if the airpods had been, let's say, $50, or $60 at a push, but they can't, because there probably is no way to do the airpods for that cheap yet
which is why forcing it on people in this way at this time is shitty and cynical
No it implies Apple owns the format. They have the exclusive right to license it.
Where are all these non Apple devices with lightning ports?
You are talking about cables and accessories; there won't be a non Apple phone, music player or laptop with a lightning connector.
Literally can't remember the last time I had earbuds plugged into my phone.
I'm sure there'll be plenty of Lightning earphones in the coming months. The thing that really sucks is only iOS devices will use those. I doubt even MacBooks are going to get a Lightning port. So they'll be a one use accessory.
If they would've went to USB-C I could see this going well and would speed the development of USB-C headphones, but it's not like Apple would do that.
There are other smartphones without headphones jacks though. Don't the latest Motorola Plays and LG G5s come without 3.5mm ports? Any user want to tell us how's it going with those?
I'm sure there'll be plenty of Lightning earphones in the coming months. The thing that really sucks is only iOS devices will use those. I doubt even MacBooks are going to get a Lightning port. So they'll be a one use accessory.
If they would've went to USB-C I could see this going well and would speed the development of USB-C headphones, but it's not like Apple would do that.
There are other smartphones without headphones jacks though. Don't the latest Motorola Plays and LG G5s come without 3.5mm ports? Any user want to tell us how's it going with those?
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