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Call of Duty: Black Ops: Declassified |OT| Ad-Hoc Summary: It Is Not Terrible!
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test_account
XP-39C²
To me, it seems that this game takes extra flak in the reviews because it carries the Call of Duty name. Especially reading the final Game Informer comment, that Declassified fails to deliver a consolized experience. It seems that they expected a full fledged COD game from it, and when that didnt happen, it affects their score a lot. If this game was simply called "Declassified" and didnt associate itself with Call of Duty, i think that the reviews would be a bit better actually. The $50 pricetag doesnt seem to help on the review scores either of course.
I dont see why someone cant say that they enjoy a game without someone thinks it is only to justify the purchase. I've seen people say that some reviewers are biased against the Vita, does this mean that the reviewers are scoring the Vita games lower based on bias against the Vita?
I used about 1/2 hour on the 9th mission, and that was on regular difficulty. I did the first level on Veteran yesterday. I think it is going to be a bit difficult to do all the levels on Veteran.
The only good review so far:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/review-call-of-duty-black-ops-declassified-vita-/17873-3.html
6/10
http://vr-zone.com/articles/review-call-of-duty-black-ops-declassified-vita-/17873-3.html
6/10
You shouldn't work as a professional journalist.
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
heh how about that... a fair review I would say. Reflects my experience with it so far pretty closely.
But i thought it was easy and only took an hour?
They took a few posts and tweets and put together the estimated completion time ...I would ask every reviewer to show me their completion times for every mission
The reviewers clearly played it on easy and breezed through it, hence the complaints of the ai not firing at you and stuff.
It's old school though and if you die you start the level from the beginning.... It can get old quick if you get stuck on a bit.
The game records your best time for each mission, and if you add it up, yeah my total was around 45 mins. But I failed several times, so it probably took me around 1 hours 15 mins to finish (on regular difficulty). I don't think I'm that good at COD though.
test_account
XP-39C²
Yeah, the total completion time in the operation missions will be less than one hour, but it doesnt account for the time used on retries indeed.
This review seems to reflect my opinion on Declassified. I dont feel that a checkpoint is really needed for the short missions though, although i can see the wanting for it, especially on veteran difficulty level. I agree about having to see the small cutscene stuff over and over again, i wish it was skip that stuff, as i dont need to see it over and over again each time i die, as the review also mention. A score of 6/10 is probably what i would give it too.
I play on hardened. There is still veteran difficulty, so I am not playing it at the highest difficulty or anything. Regular is the lowest difficulty.
20cent
Banned
amen.
Mammoth Jones
Member
Thing is as a vita owner myself I'm not spending $50 on a game that's getting absolutely slammed by most critics. The fact that they're charging a +$10 premium to the game purely because of the "COD" name is disgusting.
I mean, is there a demo on the PSN store? I'd love to try it first. But given everything I'm hearing...no way am I going to just buy it.
I mean, is there a demo on the PSN store? I'd love to try it first. But given everything I'm hearing...no way am I going to just buy it.
test_account
XP-39C²
They take what they can get
That said, i feel that $40 would be better indeed. Not just because cheaper is better, but because i think the content in this game reflects better on a $40 pricetag.There is no demo, but a demo probably wouldnt do much to show of the game other than getting a feel for the controls and the graphics. A demo would be based on singleplayer, so people wouldnt be able to check out the multiplayer.
Didn't you hear? All the poor reviews and mountains of criticism are just because the reviewers didn't get free stuff. And because they hate the Vita.
You can trust the people more invested in this game and the system. It is clear the investment has not clouded their judgement when they're offering such brutally honest critique like, "It's not perfect but it's not bad I swear." And it isn't like they're making outrageous claims about people who dislike the game or anything like that.
Don't support lazy games like this.
An fps with that controller? Fuck that, I used it for a while and it just isn't good for anything needing triggers or analog sticks + face buttons. But I digress, this thread is about the vita version, and I decided not to keep the Wii u I preordered anyway.
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
your very defensive of review sites and very offended by people getting some kind of enjoyment out of this game.
Its odd.
test_account
XP-39C²
Why do you make a blanket statement (at least it seems like that to me) that everyone who say that the game is fun only says it because they bought/invested in the game, and that the reviewers are the ones that are honest about their opinion? Both parties here can be honest about their opinion. What is concidered as fun is completely subjective. If someone says that a game is boring, they are right for their sake. If someone say that a game is fun, then they are also right for their sake.
We're widely off-topic here but you CAN play Call of Duty with the Pro controller, and only use the tablet when you want off-TV play.
chickdigger802
Banned
Now that's interesting. Anyone here that says the game plays and feels like call of duty, also play BLOPS 2?
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
As far as multiplayer is concerned its a lot better than resistance.
Look man, I respect your opinion and all, but you're talking about a goddamn unicorn. A game that isn't great and isn't terrible? What the Fuck does that even mean? This is the internet, and if something could be not great and not terrible, there would be a word for that.
Also, krabboss, do you have a vita? You mentioned playing over 3g, which isn't possible in any vita game.
test_account
XP-39C²
I play both. I think that Declassified has the Call of Duty feel to it, but it is not 100% exactly like the console CODs. Sometimes it feels that the enemies in Declassified can take a couple more shots before they die. I'm not sure if that is due to some small lag or if the enemies actually can take more hits. The Vita sticks are also more sensitive than a PS3 controller, which also affects the feeling a bit for my sake. In general, i prefer the PS3 sticks over the Vita sticks. But the controls in Declassified feels good, i find it fairly easy to aim where i want to aim. So i think Declassified has some of the Call of Duty feeling to it, but i dont feel that it is exactly the same.
This is just opinion though, someone else might feel the opposite.
Even if you like the game, how can you defend the game's price point.
If Black Ops Declassified is worth $50 then Black Ops 2 for consoles are worth twice that, if not more.
More modes, longer campaign, bigger multiplayer. Better AI. There is one hour of footage of this game online on GameSpot where you can exactly see what Jeff Gerstmann describes in his review where the enemies just stand around doing nothing.
Based on the video, of which I watched far too much of, the game seems like a competent Call of Duty. But then reading about the technical issues and the discrepancy in content both games offer for almost the same price and it results in reviews like this.
Great that you get enjoyment out of this game but I believe the people in here defending this lazy product are the enemies of their fellow consumers. You're signaling to the publishers that you'll accept games with a 5-month development cycle for a higher than default price on the Vita.
If Black Ops Declassified is worth $50 then Black Ops 2 for consoles are worth twice that, if not more.
More modes, longer campaign, bigger multiplayer. Better AI. There is one hour of footage of this game online on GameSpot where you can exactly see what Jeff Gerstmann describes in his review where the enemies just stand around doing nothing.
Based on the video, of which I watched far too much of, the game seems like a competent Call of Duty. But then reading about the technical issues and the discrepancy in content both games offer for almost the same price and it results in reviews like this.
Great that you get enjoyment out of this game but I believe the people in here defending this lazy product are the enemies of their fellow consumers. You're signaling to the publishers that you'll accept games with a 5-month development cycle for a higher than default price on the Vita.
I wouldn't be surprised if it took me just as long to complete these 10 operations on mormal as it takes to run through the campaign on BO2... It took me ~5-6 attempts to get through operation 5 and my time was over 7 minutes.
Plus, I really enjoy trying to get 3 stars in the mode where enemy waves come at you... great way to learn the maps for multiplayer play as well. I haven't even touched time attack mode either.
There is enough to do in single player content to satisfy me... especially since this is a multiplayer focused game where single player content is a bonus on the side... I know so many people who buy these games and never finish or even play the single player...
I know, his point, I think, was that I could keep playing blops 2 when my wife took over the TV, which would mean using the tablet.
I picked up both versions at the midnight event. I've played more of Declassified so far. It does feel more like CoD4 imo. The bottom line for me is that the multiplayer is solid and fun, and I was able to play it when I wouldn't normally be able to enjoy some online face shootin, like laying in bed & when my wife was watching the Eddie Murphy special last night. The game isn't amazing, but a 6.5-7 in my book. But I've been gaming since 1984 or so, so in my mind, mediocre games still exist. I don't subscribe to the internet mentality of "amazeballs or complete shit" that many seem to. What I don't understand is why people like krabboss and chickdigger are even a part of the conversation anymore. You've said your piece, why do you feel compelled to keep arguing with the people who are enjoying it? It doesn't even seem like krab has a vita ffs.
A lot of buyer's remorse ITT...
Never to listen to people who are overenthusatic, cringeworthy overjoyed when a new trailer of a videogame is shown. Pretty much all "hardcore" gaming communities are full of entitled, pompous, over-analyzing and obnoxious morons. Unfortunately, neogaf is full of such people. A fractious collective of manchildren. This always happens when people take their hobbies way too seriously. Oh and there is nothing "hardcore" about playing videogames all day long.
Never to listen to people who are overenthusatic, cringeworthy overjoyed when a new trailer of a videogame is shown. Pretty much all "hardcore" gaming communities are full of entitled, pompous, over-analyzing and obnoxious morons. Unfortunately, neogaf is full of such people. A fractious collective of manchildren. This always happens when people take their hobbies way too seriously. Oh and there is nothing "hardcore" about playing videogames all day long.
thehypocrite
Member
GAF impressions and gameplay videos are the best tools for me to decide on a game. Game reviews? Lolz.
Yeah.
Posted this back at launch:
And around an hour and a half later:
Granted, was comparing it to the first one; and even after playing the second one is not like I have a problem alternating games or getting used to the controls and stuff. I haven't played as much as I want because of work and been sick, but still alternate between both.It looks, plays and sounds like the first Black Ops..for better or worse. Then again, I really liked the first one so I may be biased.
Yesterday played a few matches at Nuketown 2025 in II, a few minutes of the campaign; then went to Declassified tried to beat my score on the first Hostiles-mission (did, but still 2 stars
) and then hoped online and ended in a free for all...in Nuketown. Granted, I'm not much on the tech-side of lag, recoil, weapon weight; but more in a general feeling. Combined the the look of it, the cutscenes been on the same style of the first game with the black and white clips, still pictures, static, noise, etc.
chickdigger802
Banned
Jeff mentioned that they couldn't get the original va ( the fuck activision?). Is it that apparent?
Baconsammy
Banned
And people say reviewers dont use the full spectrum. CoD just got Full Spectrumed.
Takamura-San
Member
Is this game getting a Black friday deal?
chickdigger802
Banned
Still needs to drop 21 points in score to be worst on metacritic, so no need to worry guys!
man I kinda wanna check out gamefaqs board... but i kinda don't.
man I kinda wanna check out gamefaqs board... but i kinda don't.
Based on all the "research" I've been doing to learn more about this game, it sounds like it's a slightly above average fps for the Vita; but, on the same token, it shouldn't cost $10 more than other Vita games, and it also deserves to be docked points for the MP--the game's strongest selling point--requiring a huge, day-one patch to work somewhat correctly (especially after the trials that Nihilstic went through with the Burning Skies launch).
I'm definitely going to pick this up, but no way in hell am I'm paying more than $30 for it. People defending a day-one purchase of this product are entitled to their opinions, but they also lose a say when future Vita titles are criticized for launching in such an over-priced, messy way. I got burned (no pun intended) by Nihilistic's last Vita title, so I've decided to take the high road on this go-around. Very glad I did.
Most Wanted, Liberation, and SFxT are awesome; and RO is decent. No need to support half-assed efforts at this point.
I'm definitely going to pick this up, but no way in hell am I'm paying more than $30 for it. People defending a day-one purchase of this product are entitled to their opinions, but they also lose a say when future Vita titles are criticized for launching in such an over-priced, messy way. I got burned (no pun intended) by Nihilistic's last Vita title, so I've decided to take the high road on this go-around. Very glad I did.
Most Wanted, Liberation, and SFxT are awesome; and RO is decent. No need to support half-assed efforts at this point.
Baconsammy
Banned
Sorta. The bundle is 199 from at least two stores.
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
what? there arnt two lines of quality, great and terrible lol. How about phrases like, average, not bad, decent, fun in small bursts. There are tons of ways to describe games inbetween those 2 states.
The single player is poor, the multiplayer is fun. As a whole the games lacks content.
Thats all there is to it. How is that hard to understand?
Baconsammy
Banned
In my own personal world, there's two types of games, books, movies, TV shows, albums - ones that I like and ones that I never want to ever experience again. Why on earth would I ever waste my time on something that is neither? "Here's the most mediocre pizza in the world. Mind you, it's not the worst, but it's also not good. Have some." That make you want to eat it?
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
but thats not what I said.
I said the single player is poor and the multiplayer is fun.
also what? So you have never watched a film / read a book and thought.. that was OK. Had some redeeming features that I enjoyed but other parts were bad?
You just either like or don't like something without varying levels inbetween?
This thread is getting really strange.
I and many other people eat average food all the time. I have a frozen pizza in that il have tomorrow. Its far from dinning in rome but it tastes ok.
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
This does exist. Mediocre. And there have been hundreds of games over the last 20 years that have earned that label. It means that while they're not perfect, they're also not terrible and there are people out there that will enjoy playing it.
Well my blops 2 didnt show up yet.
But i did have the vita one arrive last night.
Played some MP , its ok.
Its worse than even i expected , but its something that will kill some time on the go.
Hard to put my finger on it, i find the graphics are ok at best , the framerate is not ideal , its probably the controls that bother me most.
I did not touch the SP , i almost never do since mw1.
I find the controls really awkward which is weird becuase i found unit 13 controlled pretty much perfect , something is off with the controls.
I only paid 30$ so im relatively happy , and it came with the code for COD PSP which is nice.
FOr 50$ , no one should be supporting this game , thats way too much for way too little.
40$ i can see someone getting the value out of mp alone , and less than that is perfect , if this game launched at 30$ , it would be a lot less salty around here.
But the fact remains the vita can do SO MUCH BETTER.
And like one review said , it does feel like a nail in the coffin for the vita...lets hope not.
But i did have the vita one arrive last night.
Played some MP , its ok.
Its worse than even i expected , but its something that will kill some time on the go.
Hard to put my finger on it, i find the graphics are ok at best , the framerate is not ideal , its probably the controls that bother me most.
I did not touch the SP , i almost never do since mw1.
I find the controls really awkward which is weird becuase i found unit 13 controlled pretty much perfect , something is off with the controls.
I only paid 30$ so im relatively happy , and it came with the code for COD PSP which is nice.
FOr 50$ , no one should be supporting this game , thats way too much for way too little.
40$ i can see someone getting the value out of mp alone , and less than that is perfect , if this game launched at 30$ , it would be a lot less salty around here.
But the fact remains the vita can do SO MUCH BETTER.
And like one review said , it does feel like a nail in the coffin for the vita...lets hope not.
I hope you caught my sarcasm. I think the game is average and lacking in content. But the multiplayer is fun, and the single player is fun enough. I overpaid for it, that is for sure, but as the only option other than Burning Skies (which I actually enjoyed a lot) for a vita fps with good mp, and with it being CoD season, I'm not regretting my purchase. I only paid a few bucks for it in cash anyway because of all of the crazy Best Buy credit I've gotten in the last few months, so maybe that softens the blow.
Baconsammy
Banned
Yes, I don't waste my time on movies or books again that merely had some parts that were OK. Life's too short.
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
sorry i didnt lol. Hard to tell on forums and especially in threads like this.
Yeah i had £40 credit sitting on PSN and nothing else I wanted to buy with it so maybe that takes the sting off. Although Il play the multiplayer a lot more than I played AC:L. I was a bit disappointed with that for its price to be honest.
so you watched / read them. Decided if it was worth it. Went back in time and then made your choice?
I guess you just have some review people you know and take there word for it. I think entertainment in general is was to subjective to purely trust any ones opinion. I have read books and watch films that others didn't like that I did and vice versa. Its all part of the experience.
Watched preditors. Was terrible. Had a good laugh about how bad it was though.
**edit**
or did you mean you dont watch them a second time?
if so..... what are we talking about anymore?
chickdigger802
Banned
For the people saying that reviewers should have given the game more time.
http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/3DS/Pocket+Gamer/news.asp?c=46618
Interesting. So the review went up at the risk of accuracy to 'save' readers from buying the game when no reviews are out.
Not sure if I agree with this philosophy, but at least they open about it.
http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/3DS/Pocket+Gamer/news.asp?c=46618
Interesting. So the review went up at the risk of accuracy to 'save' readers from buying the game when no reviews are out.
Not sure if I agree with this philosophy, but at least they open about it.
That was my point, I was being sarcastic. Most of my favorite games of all time would be rated at 5-7 if they were rated today. Doesn't mean I enjoyed them any less. Too many people let a score make their decision, which is part of the reason the game industry is in the shape it is in. There is no room for mediocre or average anymore, like this game. It's the epitome of average, but all these people who have only seen a video are declaring it shit.
Baconsammy
Banned
I can't respond to this because I have no clue what you're even talking about.
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
I can say the same to you. See my edit on the post you quoted.