-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 |OT|
- Thread starter kuYuri
- Start date
My friends and I were on a 51 game win streak yesterday, most of it Search and Destroy. Then we finally get beaten on a match on Favela. I told two of them that prestiging at that time was a bad idea.
Being rank 1-20 is the worst thing if you're playing gametypes like S&D. You don't have access to all the good stuff. =/
Being rank 1-20 is the worst thing if you're playing gametypes like S&D. You don't have access to all the good stuff. =/
Net_Wrecker said:
This is why I'm so thankful for Cold-Blooded Pro
Been mistaken for a corpse so many times it's ridiculous. I have to say, while arguing which assault rifle is the best is a tad pointless, it always reminds me how much better the weapon balance is in MW2 compared to CoD4. The fact that there are a good 4-5 assault rifles that are constantly being referred to as "the best one" (ACR, SCAR, TAR, M16, M4A1) tells me that you can pretty much use any of them and kick ass if you bother to just practice with it.
Personally I'm in the TAR-21 camp, probably my favorite weapon in all of MW2 next to the SPAS-12. I normally run with just a silencer, but on HQ S&D I use Bling Pro and slap on the Holographic Sight as well. It's a really fun gun to use
backflip10019
Member
Wow, I just got extremely lucky and completed the "kill a person by dropping a crate on them" challenge. I was on Highrise on the bottom level and threw my marker down next to me. Just as the chopper was over head, I get knifed from behind. And the next thing I know, "CHALLENGE COMPLETE!"
So awesome.
So awesome.
And people still underestimate the FAMAS. It's a better gun than the M16, with a tighter burst and more damage at distance.Loxley said:This is why I'm so thankful for Cold-Blooded Pro
I have to say, while arguing which assault rifle is the best is a tad pointless, it always reminds me how much better the weapon balance is in MW2 compared to CoD4. The fact that there are a good 4-5 assault rifles that are constantly being referred to as "the best one" (ACR, SCAR, TAR, M16, M4A1) tells me that you can pretty much use any of them and kick ass if you bother to just practice with it.
Personally I'm in the TAR-21 camp, probably my favorite weapon in all of MW2 next to the SPAS-12. I normally run with just a silencer, but on HQ S&D I use Bling Pro and slap on the Holographic Sight as well. It's a really fun gun to use
ACESandEIGHTS
Member
Noooooooo! :lol I've never actually used the MP5 in this game, actually the only SMG I've used is the UMP. Didn't want to confuse anyone.DeuceMojo said:
ACESandEIGHTS
Member
That AK is a meat grinder. Just unstoppable at medium range. Cold Blooded Pro is great. I used that from about level 42 onward my first time around.fps fanatic said:Gonna be hard to Prestige in this one. I finally have the AK-47 and I'm loving it.
fps fanatic said:Gonna be hard to Prestige in this one. I finally have the AK-47 and I'm loving it.
Do iiiiit. You get additional custom class slots, new challenges, and new titles. It's worth it to do it at least once or twice. Maybe three times.
TheQueen'sOwn
insert blank space here
Am I doing myself a disservice only using the FAMAS?
Should I switch to another gun?
Should I switch to another gun?
PetriP-TNT
Member
I agree, but it is useless up close and to far, too much recoil for long range shooting and too slow for close quarter combat.DeuceMojo said:
backflip10019
Member
Nope. Personally, I think that the FAMAS and M16 are probably the best two guns in the game. Sure, gameplay might get a little stale if you use the FAMAS exclusively, but at least you're using one of the best weapons.TheQueen'sOwn said:
got2bekidding
Member
That's funny, I killed a teammate with a crate as he spawned yesterday. I felt bad. loltarius1210 said:
Burst interval is 0.2 seconds on both guns so the tighter burst doesn't mean much, and "more damage at distance" is dubious considering there are plenty of charts that list them both as identical in terms of range.Zabka said:
Also, I don't know about MW2 having better weapon balance than CoD4. They've made sniper rifles more viable and shotguns all-around more useful, but at the cost of creating a sort of rock-paper-scissors dynamic with akimbo weapons where the short game is so mind-bendingly unbalanced that you have to more or less hope that your opponent isn't using an akimbo SMG (or akimbo G18s) if you want to win a close-range, head-on firefight. In CoD4, you weren't entirely out of the running if you were unfortunate enough to be caught with a G3 in a head-on firefight because there were no guns that had the sheer stopping power (no pun intended) and fire rate of an akimbo SMG/G18. The AK-74 shot what, 900 rounds per minute, whereas akimbo G18s hit 2200. It's entirely irrelevant that each bullet only does 30 damage when there's literally dozens of them coming at you.
By category, the AR selection hasn't gotten better (for the most part), it's just gotten Street Fighter-ized, by which I mean almost every gun now has an extremely similar variant, allowing players to be more specific. In CoD4, the M16 (to a degree), the M4, the G36C (map pending), the AK-47, and the M14 (if you could get past the brick wall learning curve) were all very good, which only leaves out the poorly-designed G3 and the clearly-a-joke MP44. Yes, they certainly improved the (possibly PC-only) phenomenon where virtually everyone ran around with an AK due to its proportionately insane damage, but it may just be a matter of time. The M4 and the ACR are virtually identical guns, both being low-recoil, medium rof, low damage guns, and the ACR will likely outstrip the M4 entirely as the former has virtually no advantages (it has slightly less recoil, but the ACR's recoil is so bizarrely low that it's difficult to tell). The TAR and the AK-47 are nigh identical, with, again, the AK having less recoil, as well a slightly faster rate of fire. The FAL is the only place where MW2 unequivocally improves on CoD4, as the G3/M14 hybrid is not only useful, but it's actually good. Then of course there's the FAMAS and the M16, which are so similar that they will likely be the source of contention for a long time (although it all comes down to how long it takes people to suck it up and adjust to the M16's higher recoil considering its much shorter reload time and the irrelevancy of recoil on a three-round burst weapon). The SCAR is a weird one and seems to occupy the AK/TAR camp except with a much smaller clip and somewhat lower recoil; it's a bit of a black sheep.
My biggest balance qualm with MW2 is SMGs. In CoD4, you had five very different guns in the SMG category: The MP5 was an all-purpose gun, useful both silenced and unsilenced at almost any range; the AK-74 was a close-range bruiser resembling how a shotgun would play in any other game; the Skorpion was an unusual gun that had absurd range for some reason but a tiny-ass clip and relatively low damage; the Mini-Uzi was similar to the AK-74 but with a faster reload, more range, and receiving less of a kick in the groin when silenced; and the P90 was an extremely versatile weapon that gave skilled players a huge advantage in its unique ability to be used at any range with a silencer while having an above-average rate of fire (low for an SMG but still worlds above everything else). In CoD4, all five SMGs were viable and good (although some, like the AK-74, were a little more map-dependent), where as in MW2, many SMGs are made nearly useless by sidearms that serve the same purpose and don't occupy a primary weapon slot (MP5K, Vector) or are assault rifles in disguise that plain aren't very good at conventional SMG tasks (UMP). That doesn't mean these guns are worthless -- it's certainly still possible to wreck shit with the UMP (especially akimbo) -- but those guns in particular are simply too constrained to fringe, utility use; there's only one versatile SMG left (the P90) and that's because it's remained almost entirely unchanged from CoD4. I didn't mention the Mini-Uzi because the Mini-Uzi is actually just a P90 with a smaller clip and an insignificantly faster rate of fire (850 vs. 888), as well as some seriously jacked recoil.
...I wrote far more than I had intended to. In conclusion, assault rifles aren't more balanced, there's just a lot of very similar guns in the category; SMGs have been mostly thrown into the niche category due to the increased power of sidearms and the decreased usefulness of a high-damage, high-rof, high-recoil gun.
KittyKittyBangBang
Member
TheQueen'sOwn said:
If you are looking at leveling up quicker than yes, by completing challenges, you get a good amount of EXP that helps you level up quicker. I use a gun until its mastered and then move on to the next one for more challenges.
divisionbyzorro said:
Fuck that nuke symbol. It's appeal as a unique hard to get icon is marred by the fact that (I presume) over half the people sporting it boosted to get it.
Browse the available icons and pic a nice "tough to get/hard to boost for" icon if having something rare and exclusive is your thing.
I see the nuke symbol everywhere now and just roll my eyes at all the kids who think they're so cool for rocking a "hard to get" icon.
Awesome, I still need that to happen sometime. Maybe it'll have a greater chance of happening if I actually equip the care package... :lolbackflip10019 said:
Had a good one today. I was trying out thermal (never use it) on the TAR (yeah, bad idea) on Wasteland and crept up on the bunker where I knew there were enemies. Went into scope and let off a really sloppy burst straight into a guy's crotch.
Next thing I know, I complete the All Pro challenge with that burst. Two headshots in one crotch burst, WTF? :lol
I'm going off the latest version of this chart, which I've found to be fairly accurate compared to my own experience. I'd love to see any others you have handy.Fugu said:
xxjuicesxx
Member
TAR = awesome scope,
and better clip size than scar???
and better clip size than scar???
LosDaddie said:
Satisfy the "Killstreak" challenge through III for whatever emblem you want. Basically, launch a lot of Predator Missiles.
Also, this may help: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Callsigns
In COD4, G3 w Stopping Power (Stopping Power was my generally preferred Perk 2) was my main build. I'm not sure why you would considered the G3 gimped - from what I recall 2-shots would take someone down. Coupled with the already high damage output and the lack of recoil (I wished the FAL mirrored the G3's recoil moreso) the G3 made for one of hell of an AR. The single fire shot is easy to compensate with sheer trigger quickness - some guy once complained that I was using a MOD. In COD4, I would only use the M16 + Stopping Power for closer quarter maps like Vacant and Showdown.Fugu said:
It's funny how fast mw2 got boring. COD4 I played for we'll over 2 years. Mw2 got boring after 2 weeks, the bugs, glitches, exploits, and overall bad gameplay of the multiplayer ruined it.
So much potential but awful spawning, and poorly designed maps made this game a much inferior product to cod 4.
Hopefully next time Infinity Ward has a beta to weed out all the problems, they should have done this with mw2 to avoid shipping out this broken unfinished game.
So much potential but awful spawning, and poorly designed maps made this game a much inferior product to cod 4.
Hopefully next time Infinity Ward has a beta to weed out all the problems, they should have done this with mw2 to avoid shipping out this broken unfinished game.
rocksteady1983
Member
i wish they would do a hardcore free for all playlist. i'd play that a lot. also a playlist where there are no perks or killstreak awards, just straight up deathmatch, with one attachment.
backflip10019
Member
I was thinking the same thing. Just straight up deathmatch as it was meant to be played, without the bullshit. I wish that IW would kind of create a Halo 3 MLG-like playlist, where the game was just dumbed down a bit to the basics. Killstreaks are fun and all, but they get annoying after a while.rocksteady1983 said:
KittyKittyBangBang
Member
rocksteady1983 said:
or hell, no attachements. Everyone with iron sights, no akimbo, no HBS, noob toobs, etc
quilter46761
Member
Fugu said:
I most definitely hear what you are saying about the assault rifles - yeah, there really are only three or maybe four 'ideas' with multiple variants on each (M16, FAMAS; TAR-21, AK-47; etc.), but this doesn't really hurt the game because the three or four different rifle ideas all allow for slightly different playstyles - similar to Cod 4, yes. In addition, the Assault / Sniper Balance is good - the only major change is the addition of Thermal Scopes for both classes, which are counterable by Cold Blooded (which should really be a Lvl. 1 perk).
The big change, as you pointed out, is in the short range category. Before, there were SMGs and the knife (which I'm still not very much a fan of one hit killing - how the fuck do you survive a .50 calibre bullet to die from a knife attack to the leg?). Now the SMGs are back, with the addition of akimbo as well. But, I think the big change comes with all the other shit that got added for short range as well. The knife got commando (and lightweight and marathon). Pistols almost disappeared, replaced by automatic counterparts. And the shotguns came out in full force, with all the associated bullshit, as a secondary weapon everyone could carry. In 4, if you had an Assault Rifle at close range, you probably lost, though that wasn't certain - good shooting and you could still make it through. Now? You are basically fucked, be it from 1887s or G18s or MP5ks. Either you embrace the bullshit by fighting fire with fire, or you die.
My reference is this: http://denkirson.xanga.com/715966769/modern-warfare-2/Zabka said:
The G3 did less damage than the M14. As well, the M16 did the same damage, had the same range, and was three-round burst. On top of that, the AK did the same damage, had the same range, and was automatic. I could go on.mr_boo said:
EDIT: Verified some facts
strikeselect
You like me, you really really like me!
Pro-tip: Don't add attachments to the AK47. It adds sway and decreases accuracy.
divisionbyzorro
Member
*rage*
Why am I obsessed with legitimately earning the nuke emblem? It's making me want to stop playing the game completely.
I guess I need to stop deliberately going for the nuke and just start playing the game. If I keep that KS setup, it'll (theoretically) come eventually.
Why am I obsessed with legitimately earning the nuke emblem? It's making me want to stop playing the game completely.
I guess I need to stop deliberately going for the nuke and just start playing the game. If I keep that KS setup, it'll (theoretically) come eventually.
xxjuicesxx
Member
ACR sucks, even with stopping power people with UMP's are bringing me down...makes no sense why you just wouldn't use the M16 or FAMAS to me.
DarknessTear
Banned
xxjuicesxx said:
ACR does not suck. It's the most accurate automatic assault rifle. FAMAS being the most accurate burst fire assault rifle.
Dude please. Some of you post like your tactical kings. Try your guns on me and the team play with sometime. psshh 'get past the challenge' give me a break. What challenge? You must be playing against some dolts to get away with that shit.DeuceMojo said:
Just funny reading this thread at times but yet I harbor no ill feelings towards you.
Famas is love with a thermal and silencer.Zabka said:
Similar threads
- Poll