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Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 |OT| Got 99 Problems, But Sales Ain't One.

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Massa

Member
Vire said:
Have you ever heard of diminishing returns? It's okay to do it the first few times, but after a while I think there comes a point where you say enough is enough. And unfortunately based on the answers I've been given here today, it seems like this is the game that I stop caring since they refuse to change anything meaningful.
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I'm shocked you came to this conclusion.
 
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EleventhDoctor

Banned
Vire said:
Have you ever heard of diminishing returns? It's okay to do it the first few times, but after a while I think there comes a point where you say enough is enough. And unfortunately based on the answers I've been given here today, it seems like this is the game that I stop caring since they refuse to change anything meaningful.
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Take care, brush your hair.
 
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Nome

Member
Vire said:
Sorry, guess I'm just not used to the concept of shooters being annualized like a sports game. It just seems like a foreign idea to me and something that hasn't really been done in the past before Call Of Duty.




Thanks for the reply.
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Quake: 1996
Quake 2: 1997
Quake 3: 1999

But to be truthful, there wasn't much difference between those games either trolololol?
 
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knitoe

Member
krameriffic said:
Did you knife exclusively in BO? Because I did. Not even on nuketown, hate that shitty map. I had over 20000 kills with the ballistic knife in BO and I can tell you this: the lunge was NOT that huge, and even when you did do the double fisted lunge with the ballistic knife, you were wishing you hadn't because the recovery time on it was very long. BO knifing was NOT OP because of the lunge, it was OP because the recovery time on the scissor swipe was practically zero, thus allowing huge knifing chains in CQC. I actually got to the point where I preferred the scissor swipe because it was much faster and better (though shorter in range).

Oddly enough, it was possible to program a macro in BO (if you had a high-end mouse) that would cancel the recovery time on the lunge animation by attempting to throw a tomahawk and switch back to the ballistic knife. This made the knife genuinely overpowered because it made you recover very quickly from the lunge, but I was probably the only player to ever do it. The recovery time on a lunge with the knife was its biggest balancing factor. It was at its most OP when you sliced up 4 people in a single room with scissor swipes, not when you were lunging 50 feet for a single kill then instantly dying.
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No. As the saying goes "Never bring a knife to a gun fight...", but the times I had to use it, you can clearly see that for some odd reason the range was increase compare to MW2. It was 1 step forward (remove Commando) and 1 step back (increase range). I think most people don't have issues if they get knife without knowing. It's when you are pumping bullets into the guy, he ports 5-15ft and instantly kills you that was the problem. Marathon/light weight/reg knifing was fine. Once you add in the long lunge/teleport, then, the issue appears.
 
M.W.

M.W.

Member
Vire said:
Have you ever heard of diminishing returns? It's okay to do it the first few times, but after a while I think there comes a point where you say enough is enough. And unfortunately based on the answers I've been given here today, it seems like this is the game that I stop caring since they refuse to change anything meaningful.
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Well, when you keep outselling the previous title, why would you stop? COD is a beast. I'm sure we'll hear about Treyarch's next COD sometime in early 2012.
 
ColonialRaptor

ColonialRaptor

Member
Gez said:
Just dinged level 20. Got the Specialist Kill streaks now. I have exclusively just being used the M4A1 and the SCAR-H.

I got Stalker Pro and Blast Shield Pro now. They are extremly easy to level up now compared to BO. None of this 3 challenge requiremen. It's in the vain of MW2.
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What the hell... Level 20 already? Is levelling that much faster than BF?

I'm excited to try the game out and see how it feels compared to Battlefield. I hated Black Ops, but I loved MW2.
 
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Mr. B Natural

Member
Vire said:
Sorry, guess I'm just not used to the concept of shooters being annualized like a sports game. It just seems like a foreign idea to me and something that hasn't really been done in the past before Call Of Duty.
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Well get use to it, it's the wave of the future. Lower your expectations accordingly. Be amazed by the fact that this game is going to be best remembered as a game that removed stuff rather than added stufff. Be amazed that they changed the run animation and had the willpower to record some new voices. Blatantly use a shit ton of content from the previous game? Whatever, it's so blatant, you can't blame em for it.

Lower your expectations. Devs aren't bothering anymore aiming for the moon, so bring that moon down to candlestick height. Everything is amazing. You did it for Arkham City, admit it, you were part of the problem for one IP, so do it for everything else.
 
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vilmer_

Member
I don't mind that each new Call of Duty nowadays is basically a glorified map pack. I guess at the heart of it I'm an Infinity Ward (Respawn) fanboy.
 
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Card Boy

Banned
ColonialRaptor said:
What the hell... Level 20 already? Is levelling that much faster than BF?

I'm excited to try the game out and see how it feels compared to Battlefield. I hated Black Ops, but I loved MW2.
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There are people already in the late 50's with golden weapons. It's easy to level up cause i think its level 80 now?

Took me just under 3 hours to level 20.
 
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MrDaravon

Member
in line at Gamestop, about 250 people in front of me. However in an insane turn of events they're actually having to turn away people if they haven't already reserved as they are literally out of copies to sell, which is madness.
 
Vire

Vire

Member
Mr. B Natural said:
Well get use to it, it's the wave of the future. Lower your expectations accordingly. Be amazed by the fact that this game is going to be best remembered as a game that removed stuff rather than added stufff. Be amazed that they changed the run animation and had the willpower to record some new voices.

Lower your expectations. Devs aren't bothering anymore aiming for the moon, so bring that moon down to candlestick height. Everything is amazing. You did it for Arkham City, admit it, you were part of the problem for one IP, so do it for everything else.
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This is some seriously depressing shit and while there is a hint of truth to this - I think you are being overly doom and gloom. There are still many games that are still pushing the envelope, you just need to look a little harder this year.

And no, my expectations for Arkham City were at an all time high.
 
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zlatko

Banned
I get where Vire is coming from, but some of you guys are straight hissing venom at him. He's not trying to shit up the thread, and seeing as how he bought the other entries, he was coming in here hoping we could refuel his fire for the series which has been dwindling. Even my own has been dwindling, and this year I wasn't even going to buy, but BF3 just didn't fit the bill for me, although I still plan to play it here and there because it's fun, but only in small bursts for me.

There was a thread though Vire where your conversation you are trying to have was posted here on GAF not but a few days ago.

It's this one:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451091

I think people in here are just tired of seeing the same kind of complaints being slung at this series, when they truly could not give a shit less and just want to enjoy it together. It's sort of like beating a dead horse at this point, because you are either on board and want to share in the fun, or you don't. Both are fine, but yeah that thread I think will probably be exactly what you want to foster a less hateful conversation about CoD. ;)
 
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Madtown_

Member
Vire said:
Have you ever heard of diminishing returns? It's okay to do it the first few times, but after a while I think there comes a point where you say enough is enough. And unfortunately based on the answers I've been given here today, it seems like this is the game that I stop caring since they refuse to change anything meaningful. Maybe I was being naive and expecting such a reinvention like COD4 gave the series. But it's just a shame they aren't doing more with this franchise and I could easily see it becoming the next Guitar Hero or Tony Hawk, where they failed to innovate on a great existing idea.
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Question: Did it dawn on you the night of the release to go into the OT and question the game, asking where the innovations were? Most of this information has been available for months.

If there had been some huge reinvention of the game, it would have been blatantly clear, front page news, don't you think? I don't understand your reasoning.

And also, about the bolded comment.. that doesn't even deserve a response. The last 3 pages have been talking about meaningful changes they've made to the game. C'mon.
 
Digital-Hero

Digital-Hero

Member
SailorDaravon said:
in line at Gamestop, about 250 people in front of me. However in an insane turn of events they're actually having to turn away people if they haven't already reserved as they are literally out of copies to sell, which is madness.
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They've been doing that for years, maybe not in your region though. In the Seattle area, Lamestop takes pride in telling "Well, I told you to preorder".
 
Vire

Vire

Member
zlatko said:
I get where Vire is coming from, but some of you guys are straight hissing venom at him. He's not trying to shit up the thread, and seeing as how he bought the other entries, he was coming in here hoping we could refuel his fire for the series which has been dwindling. Even my own has been dwindling, and this year I wasn't even going to buy, but BF3 just didn't fit the bill for me, although I still plan to play it here and there because it's fun, but only in small bursts for me.

There was a thread though Vire where your conversation you are trying to have was posted here on GAF not but a few days ago.

It's this one:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451091

I think people in here are just tired of seeing the same kind of complaints being slung at this series, when they truly could not give a shit less and just want to enjoy it together. It's sort of like beating a dead horse at this point, because you are either on board and want to share in the fun, or you don't. Both are fine, but yeah that thread I think will probably be exactly what you want to foster a less hateful conversation about CoD. ;)
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Thank you for this, it much more accurately tries to get across what I was saying.
 
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CyReN

Member
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TacticalFox88

Banned
Vire said:
Have you ever heard of diminishing returns? It's okay to do it the first few times, but after a while I think there comes a point where you say enough is enough. And unfortunately based on the answers I've been given here today, it seems like this is the game that I stop caring since they refuse to change anything meaningful. Maybe I was being naive and expecting such a reinvention like COD4 gave the series. But it's just a shame they aren't doing more with this franchise and I could easily see it becoming the next Guitar Hero or Tony Hawk, where they failed to innovate on a great existing idea.
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There are plenty of titles that do this. Why is COD the only franchise that people complain about the "little changes"
 
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Madtown_

Member
mxgt said:
The real test will be how the game holds up after 2-3 weeks when people have gotten acclimated to it.
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This.

MW2 was absolutely great for a few weeks before the exploits started coming in.
 
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zlatko

Banned
mxgt said:
The real test will be how the game holds up after 2-3 weeks when people have gotten acclimated to it.
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At this JUNCTURE I too am hesitant about the state of this game after 2-3 weeks, but at least we will have 2-3 weeks of GLORY!... then it's back to Hardcore S and D for me. :p
 
Vire

Vire

Member
zlatko said:
;) You still didn't tell me who won your poem contest for Akrham City PC version.
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I honestly don't remember his name. I'm sure he'll show up in the OT once the PC version is released.... hopefully. :/

Back on topic.
 
LifEndz

LifEndz

Member
Vire said:
Have you ever heard of diminishing returns? It's okay to do it the first few times, but after a while I think there comes a point where you say enough is enough. And unfortunately based on the answers I've been given here today, it seems like this is the game that I stop caring since they refuse to change anything meaningful. Maybe I was being naive and expecting such a reinvention like COD4 gave the series. But it's just a shame they aren't doing more with this franchise and I could easily see it becoming the next Guitar Hero or Tony Hawk, where they failed to innovate on a great existing idea.
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Graphics aside, what could they have done to reinvent the series?
 
rapid32.5

rapid32.5

Member
MarshMellow96 said:
One shot to the arse kills you?

Quick scoping has already made this game worse than BO in my opinion. Fuck that shit.
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I'd use smoke grenades if I were you. it will give you at least some cover to walk around these pests.
 
Vire

Vire

Member
LifEndz said:
Graphics aside, what could they have done to reinvent the series?
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As you said - improve the graphics significantly.

Change the structure of the single player - make it less linear. Have open expanses to fight in rather than narrow hallway after hallway.

Add Co-Op to the campaign.

Add in destructible environments.

Have meaningful vehicle combat in single player or multiplayer. (Maybe a new mode with vehicles in it.) Keeping all the classic playlists in tact.

Make headshots a more important part of the game. I feel like if you shoot someone in the foot for half a second they die regardless of skill.

Any of these things would have went a long way to making things feel fresh again in the COD format.


zlatko said:
Ok cool beans. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_aQKJ_UgUs

^ Elpresador is hyped. :O
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I love this guy.
 
K

kayos90

Tragic victim of fan death
Vire said:
As you said - improve the graphics significantly.

Change the structure of the single player - make it less linear. Have open expanses to fight in rather than narrow hallway after hallway.

Add Co-Op to the campaign.

Add in destructible environments.

Have meaningful vehicle combat in single player or multiplayer. (Maybe a new mode with vehicles in it.) Keeping all the classic playlists in tact.

Make headshots a more important part of the game. I feel like if you shoot someone in the foot for half a second they die regardless of skill.

Any of these things would have went a long way to making things feel fresh again in the COD format.
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In regards to coop campaign, i guess they took a step back because WaW was really fun with coop campaign.
 
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CorrisD

badchoiceboobies
Finding MW3 MP to be disappointing with the little I've played

You seem to be taken down in less than a second of being shot at, my character must be made of paper.
Are there actually any extra gameplay modes? having taken a quick look through the Playlists it just looks like they copied MW2 over, nothing of any value seems to be added to the bunch and the few maps I've played just seem rather uninspired.

I haven't really gotten into it yet, and while I'm not the biggest CoD MP player I find myself missing the Treyarch touch of stuff past the standard CoD on-line experience, whether it's wager matches or the extra effort put into creating a bigger cod points system that everything is based around using, I even miss the silly things for customising your profile.
 
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kuYuri

Member
Vire said:
As you said - improve the graphics significantly.

Change the structure of the single player - make it less linear. Have open expanses to fight in rather than narrow hallway after hallway.

Add Co-Op to the campaign.

Add in destructible environments.

Have meaningful vehicle combat in single player or multiplayer. (Maybe a new mode with vehicles in it.) Keeping all the classic playlists in tact.

Make headshots a more important part of the game. I feel like if you shoot someone in the foot for half a second they die regardless of skill.

Any of these things would have went a long way to making things feel fresh again in the COD format.




I love this guy.
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So you want it to be Battlefield?
 
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CitizenCope

Member
Vire said:
Thank you for this, it much more accurately tries to get across what I was saying.
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Hahahah. No I'm really laughing here. You're good at this. Madtown nailed it. zlatco was trying to be a peace maker and I appreciate the effort but he's been duped.
=D
 
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