Can a proper gamer ignore Nintendo games?

MYE said:
Nintendo is not one development team.
Its not one creative individual doing one thing over and over.
There is no hive mind behind the company making sure every game feels the same.

There are so many diferent teams, directors and partnerships doing completely diferent games in various genres in that company that simply throwing everything under the same rug and shrugging it off sounds ignorant or fanboyish.
But if you're really into competitive FPS, RTS games, 2D Shooter or Racing games (proper ones, not kart racers) then Nintendo offer pretty much nothing.

1st party Nintendo games often have a very definite Nintendo 'feel'. I admire them greatly but they just don't offer me enough to purchase in addition to my sizeable libraries on other formats. I'll occasionally make an exception, I bought a DS to play NSMB and it was worth every penny.
 
MYE said:
Nintendo is not one development team.
Its not one creative individual doing one thing over and over.
There is no hive mind behind the company making sure every game feels the same.

There are so many diferent teams, directors and partnerships doing completely diferent games in various genres in that company that simply throwing everything under the same rug and shrugging it off sounds ignorant or fanboyish.
Are you trying to tell me I'm "missing" something? Do you know what preferences are? Do you realize I post on GAF, and have so for a number of years and am well aware of what Nintendo is and isnt?

I havent been interested in a Nintendo game since F-Zero GX on the Gamecube. I dont like anything Nintendo has had to offer to me since, and even if my interest has been piqued a few times, never enough to pull the trigger on a purchase over something else I know I would really love. I primarily play jrpg's it's what I adore.

It's cool and all that you have found games you like from Nintendo, but do not try and tell me there is something wrong with what I like playing. You don't see me trying to belittle you for playing things I don't like. kthx
 
Yes. I've been ignoring Nintendo ever since they desided to ignore me.

At the Wii E3 revealing Nintendo basically said that I didn't mater to them as a Gamer. So I desided Nintendo didn't matter to me as a games platform.
 
Let me put it this way. Chances are I haven't played a single mario game, ever, in my life. I might have finished world 1-1 a decade ago but that's about it.
 
Palette Swap said:
Well, I did too. I finished TP during its release week but never really got into it, while I found Darksiders engrossing.

There's nothing invalid about opinions.
Okay what made Darksiders engrossing exactly?

Everything it does, TP does a lot better. I've heard people complain TP is too linear before, yet praise Darksiders even though it's fucking map is pretty much made up of straight lines. I've heard people complain about how the puzzles in TP were too easy, yet in Darksiders there's isn't much of them and they have about the same depth as the puzzles from the God of War series. I've also heard people complain about how tedious the tear quest in TP is, yet in Darksiders you spend nearly 1/3 of the game in a similar quest only you're forced to hack and slash in challenges that are simply tedious rather than challenging.

Oh and I've heard people say TP was too easy even though Darksiders has a lack of challenge when it comes to enemy variety (there's either flying enemies, or non-flying enemies in the game) with a difficulty setting that simply pads out health rather than actually making the game harder.

Yes, please Zelda be more like Darksiders
 
Ofcourse.

imho 360+PS3 are not competing vs Wii.

Ive both the HD consoles, and have never owned a Nintendo product. The games doesn't appeal to me
 
How Daisy of you.

TheBranca18 said:
This argument reminds me of Yankee fans calling Derek Jeter a "true" Yankee compared to Alex Rodriguez..

I don't know much about baseball, or well anything at all honestly, but I believe they need a feather on their hat to be a yankee. Songs can't lie.

SmokyDave said:
But if you're really into competitive FPS, RTS games, 2D Shooter or Racing games (proper ones, not kart racers) then Nintendo offer pretty much nothing.

I dream of a competitive Odama game. Pinball RTS, it has potential for tournaments.
Wave Racer could come back, and I can't be the only one would love F-Zero AX or a new game with online.
 
SmokyDave said:
But if you're really into competitive FPS, RTS games, 2D Shooter or Racing games (proper ones, not kart racers) then Nintendo offer pretty much nothing

Well, if you're really into the exact genres nintendo doesnt seem to be focusing on now or never did, then yes, there is nothing there for you.

I should clarify that i dont thing theres something wrong with skipping their offerings. Maybe there isnt enough interesting games to make the investment on Nintendo systems worth it for some and thats fine. But saying stuff like "nothing they've done since the snes interests me" is really pushing for some epic eye-rolling from anyone aware of their diverse output.

It's just too much different stuff to not like, with the only common thing being the lable on the box.
 
i dont know if i am a proper gamer, but i know for sure, that i can ignore nintendo. at least their home consoles. They made it even easier for me to ignore them with the announcement of the wii U.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
People found Darksiders to be engrossing? I thought it was a pretty shallow and linear game.

Playing it now.
Its a good game (so far), but a fucking terrible Zelda.
 
sponk said:
i dont know if i am a proper gamer, but i know for sure, that i can ignore nintendo. at least their home consoles. They made it even easier for me to ignore them with the announcement of the wii U.

I don't really get all these Wii U comments.

It's as if people go "Oh look. Nintendo now has a console with great graphics, easy portability and a traditional control scheme as standard. Fuck that!"

What was so bad about the reveal exactly? I feel like I'm in the minority here.
 
MYE said:
Well, if you're really into the exact genres nintendo doesnt seem to be focusing on now or never did, then yes, there is nothing there for you.

I should clarify that i dont thing theres something wrong with skipping their offerings. Maybe there isnt enough interesting games to make the investment on Nintendo systems worth it for some and thats fine. But saying stuff like "nothing they've done since the snes interests me" is really pushing for some epic eye-rolling from anyone aware of their diverse output.

It's just too much different stuff to not like, with the only common thing being the lable on the box.
How so? If you don't like plat-formers or adventure/exploration games. Nintendo offers nothing that signify the height of gaming.
 
2San said:
How so? If you don't like plat-formers or adventure/exploration games. Nintendo offers nothing that signify the height of gaming.

Still my main resource for portable Picross, 2D or 3D. The top I tell you, the top.
 
Their games output is so slow now, you'd really not miss out on much.

Probably a bit harder if you live in Japan. Or maybe not.
 
Nintendork22 said:
Can a proper gamer ignore Nintendo games?


Yes. After playing Nintendo games for more than 20 years I'm TIRED of playing the same Mario and Zelda games over and over again.


I enjoyed VERY VERY VERY MUCH ALL of Nintendo franshises, BUT actually, I find any other game I can play on PC more interesting and refreshing.
 
2San said:
How so? If you don't like plat-formers or adventure/exploration games. Nintendo offers nothing that signify the height of gaming.

Off the top of my head:

Sin and Punishment
Fire Emblem
Advance Wars
Pokemon
F-Zero
Starfox
Mario Kart
Smash Brothers
Pikmin
Artstyle games
Rythm Paradise
Golden Sun

and i'm sure i'm missing more highly regarded IPs that dont belong in the two genres you think the company only excels at.
 
Big One said:
Okay what made Darksiders engrossing exactly?

Everything it does, TP does a lot better. I've heard people complain TP is too linear before, yet praise Darksiders even though it's fucking map is pretty much made up of straight lines. I've heard people complain about how the puzzles in TP were too easy, yet in Darksiders there's isn't much of them and they have about the same depth as the puzzles from the God of War series. I've also heard people complain about how tedious the tear quest in TP is, yet in Darksiders you spend nearly 1/3 of the game in a similar quest only you're forced to hack and slash in challenges that are simply tedious rather than challenging.

Oh and I've heard people say TP was too easy even though Darksiders has a lack of challenge when it comes to enemy variety (there's either flying enemies, or non-flying enemies in the game) with a difficulty setting that simply pads out health rather than actually making the game harder.

Yes, please Zelda be more like Darksiders
It was mostly pacing issues.
TP felt to me like a collection of everything a Zelda game should have. Strictly speaking, it was incredibly competent at puzzle/dungeon design and in an objective manner might be better than any game in the series so far on these aspects.
But at the same time, I felt a huge dissonance between these qualities and the overall pacing of the game and visual design (except for Midna). I found it terribly disjointed and actually had a hard time caring about it. To further illustrate my point, I'd even say WW is objectively inferior on a lot of points (particularly its number of dungeons and the insufferable hub) but I found it so much more charming and felt so much more involved in it, I ignored these aspects while I played it.

As for Darksiders, I like Madureira but over the top grim and gritty stuff usually makes me cringe. And despite that, despite the game being derivative of 10 other games, it hit all the right notes for me while I played it, and it reminded me a lot more of games like the Soul Reaver series than Zelda. I really got into the combat system, I really liked the overworld, the character/weapon development system and the way the story moved forward. It was somewhere at a junction between Zelda, SR and GoW for me and it worked, while TP never did for me.

And that's why arguing opinions can quickly be a terrible idea: beyond any quantitative measurement, at the end of the day, it's about how you felt about the time spent in front of the game, and no one can or should tell you you're wrong.
 
It's getting a lot easier because they've kind of lost interest in the games that don't do 10 million plus. Most of the games I love Nintendo for have pretty much been abandoned for Animal Crossing/Mario Kart/Smash Bros./Pokemon type games. Those games were enjoyable the first time, but by the second version I was meh. And now resent them.

3D Mario games are really the only franchise that keeps that cutting edge experimentation that I used to associate with Nintendo. Probably helps it's the one old guard franchise that does boffo numbers. I guess some would argue Zelda belongs in this class, but I would argue one of the reasons it's gone downhill since OoT is because it's not the massive seller they would like and, as a result, do a more paint-by-numbers approach to keep things more manageable on the development side.

And let me just say, I don't really care that Nintendo has licensed some of the "b-franchises" out to third-parties. The reason those old games were so fantastic is because they had the attention of Nintendo's A-list. Those guys are now slaves to the money maker franchises I have zero interest in.
 
MYE said:
Off the top of my head:

Sin and Punishment
Fire Emblem
Advance Wars
Pokemon
F-Zero
Starfox
Mario Kart
Smash Brothers
Pikmin
Artstyle games
Rythm Paradise
Golden Sun

and i'm sure i'm missing more highly regarded IPs that dont belong in the two genres you think the company only excels at.
Yeah and all games that aren't considered "the best" in their respective genre's. I can totally see people rather focusing on the best rather than focusing on those. There's a lot of games out that are amazing. I can totally see people skipping the titles you mentioned and they wouldn't miss anything of significance tbh. Not to mention the biggest problem with Nintendo games. If you didn't like em in the SNES days you probably wouldn't like them now either.
 
What was so bad about the reveal exactly?

there is technically nothing wrong with the wii u, but for me the device sounds just so plain boring.

- Graphics that are only on par or slightly ahead of the ps3 and 360.
- A online system that once again lacks most of the features that pretty much are an accepted industry standard nowadays.
- 1st Party games that play pretty much the same for like 20 years. Almost no really big new IPs
- Gimmicky controller that probably does nothing to enhance the core gaming experience. It sounds to me more like something to seperate nintendo from the competitors at all cost.

Its just like nintendo doing the stuff sony and microsoft did 5 years ago, just more lame. Nintendo is trying to play safe with the wii U and that feels boring, at least for me.

please take in consideration that this is all just my opinion, i am perfectly fine the nintendo gamers and i have nothing against them!
 
nintendo franchises generally dont interest me, only nintendo machines ive ever owned are gameboy, and gameboy advance
 
2San said:
Yeah and all games that aren't considered "the best" in their respective genre's . I can totally see people rather focusing on the best rather than focusing on those. There's a lot of games out that are amazing. I can totally see people skipping the titles you mentioned and they wouldn't miss anything of significance tbh.

Sin and Punishment 2 isnt considered one of the best Treasure shooters?

F-Zero isnt considered on of the best in its genre?

Mario Kart isnt considered the best IP in its genre?

Super Smash isnt considered the best IP in its genre?

Pikmin isnt considered one of the best games at implementing strategy-like gameplay on a home console?

Is there even anything competing with Pokemon out there?

edit: and i'm not an expert in the genre, but i thought Fire Emblem was up there too.

You know what, i wont drag this out any longer.
I feel like i shouldnt even have to but, whatever.
 
Hello all, first post.

I personally can live without Nintendo, got a Xbox 360, not long after the launch, had my decent PC back then, had no issues, after the Xbox RROD'ed for the 10th time, i got a PS 3 about a year ago, and a month back i upgraded my PC decently in wait for BF 3, so with this im saying, i have got most of my bases covered with a PC + PS 3 combination, i still had the time to play all Halo' s before the xbox gave up for the last time, aswell as other big franchises, most of the stuff comes on both PS 3 and Xbox 360, and PC aswell, had the chance to test Wii recently, except for Trauma team, i found none of the games appealing to me very much, played Mario galaxy 2 for an hour, and shut it off and gave the Wii back. Although i dont consider myself a "hardcore" gamer, i just find the games they put out too childish for my interests. So yeah, i can live without Nintendo. Hope i didnt step on any toes.
 
MYE said:
Pikmin isnt considered one of the best games at implementing strategy-like gameplay on a home console?
I'm not arguing your games list because everybody likes what they like, but I will point out that there's no reason to limit things to consoles only. If you own a PC, Pikmin isn't standing victoriously atop the strategy pile.

SLV said:
Hello all, first post.
Well hello there, SLV :)
 
You know, the N64 and Gamecube only sold about 60 million units combined. I think lots of people got by just fine without Nintendo games for the better part of a decade.

The entire premise of this thread is defensive posturing. Any console you miss out on will have great games. Yes, even the ones by Sony, Nintendo, and MS. Yes, even the PC.

The list is laughable because it ignores so much of gaming history that isn't centered around Nintendo - you can't condense the must-play experience of Sega, MS, and Sony to Sonic, Halo, and Metal Gear and consider yourselves well-versed in those platforms. Nor does playing Statecraft and Half-Life make you a well-rounded PC gamer.

Where is Prince of Persia (2d and 3d)?
Final Fantasy and DQ?
Doom?
Quake?
Deus Ex?
System Shock?
Wing Commander?
Rainbow Six and Splinter Cell?
Gran Turismo or Forza?
Unreal Tournament?
Panzer Dragoon?
Anything from Rare?
Resident Evil?
Shenmue?

This is an impossible thing to measure. Judging by some of the reactions here you should consider yourself an irredeemably terrible person if you haven't owned every console and played every game above 80 on metacritic.
 
SmokyDave said:
I'm not arguing your games list because everybody likes what they like, but I will point out that there's no reason to limit things to consoles only. If you own a PC, Pikmin isn't standing victoriously atop the strategy pile.

I said "strategic-like gameplay" cuz honestly, Pikmin is its own beast.
 
I always found it impossible to ignore Mario, Zelda and Metroid games in any of Nintendo's consoles.

I give in, eventually.
 
sponk said:
there is technically nothing wrong with the wii u, but for me the device sounds just so plain boring.

- Graphics that are only on par or slightly ahead of the ps3 and 360.
- A online system that once again lacks most of the features that pretty much are an accepted industry standard nowadays.
- 1st Party games that play pretty much the same for like 20 years. Almost no really big new IPs
- Gimmicky controller that probably does nothing to enhance the core gaming experience. It sounds to me more like something to seperate nintendo from the competitors at all cost.

Its just like nintendo doing the stuff sony and microsoft did 5 years ago, just more lame. Nintendo is trying to play safe with the wii U and that feels boring, at least for me.

please take in consideration that this is all just my opinion, i am perfectly fine the nintendo gamers and i have nothing against them!

You seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions and about a platform and aspects of it that have yet be revealed and the make the assertion that its your "opinion" , what are u basing your opinion on exactly?
 
DaSorcerer7 said:
You seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions and about a platform and aspects of it that have yet be revealed and the make the assertion that its your "opinion" , what are u basing your opinion on exactly?

I especially love the comment of 1st party games and lack of new IPs.

We don't know any first party games for the system.
 
MYE said:
I said "strategic-like gameplay" cuz honestly, Pikmin is its own beast.
Even if what you say is true, Nintendo utterly abandoned Fzero and Pikmin (and Starfox) this generation. If those were your Favorite Nintendo titles, why would you buy a Wii?
 
Ashler said:
I always found it impossible to ignore Mario, Zelda and Metroid games in any of Nintendo's consoles.

I give in, eventually.

This is pretty much my thing. Those games just mean a lot to me since they were so ingrained into my childhood I guess.

With my life getting busier and busier, I could see falling out of video games (and to a degree, I kind of already am because its been so hard to keep up with new releases these days) but I think I'd always buy whatever console Nintendo makes just to play the latest Mario, Zelda or Metroid.

They pretty much have me for life. That said, I do love all game consoles and own every major gaming platform out there right now (errr, outside of an iPhone/Touch that is).
 
Ashler said:
I always found it impossible to ignore Mario, Zelda and Metroid games in any of Nintendo's consoles.

I give in, eventually.

heh.. Ive always felt the same way and never regret my decision other than why havent I played this stuff before lol..
 
Personally I've pretty much ignored Nintendo games for the past decade or so. I never owned a Nintendo console as a kid but I did spend quite some time playing them at friends houses (up to the end of the N64 era). Basically I grew up with a Mega Drive and then transitioned into PC gaming where I stayed for many years before getting a 360. There was also a PS2 somewhere in between but I never really spent much time with it compared to how much time I've spent on PC and 360 gaming.

That being said, if I had the time I would love to get a Wii and playing through some of the Nintendo games for it. Playing Super Mario Galaxy with my sister a year ago or so made me remember just how damn great Nintendo games often are. I was pretty much smiling constantly while playing it.

Also, posting this feels quite unreal after 2 years of lurking waiting for my account to be approved. The greatest gaming forum on the Internet this is.
 
as a kid i was a huge sci-fi nut so the only nintendo game that connected with me was metroid. the other stuff just kinda didn't. anyway i was a sega person growing up so i didn't have that much experience with nintendo products. from there i moved onto stuff like playstation and by then it was so far away from me that it didn't really bother me that i was missing out.
 
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