Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
okay good so the rest of us will be spared the constant chicken little schtick?
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Canada Poligaf - The Wrath of Harperland
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okay good so the rest of us will be spared the constant chicken little schtick?
http://globalnews.ca/video/1903242/mulcair-calls-harpers-response-idiotic-after-pm-gets-laughs-at-his-expense
The Canadian Parliament, where making fun of international law gets you a standing ovation.
The Canadian Parliament, where making fun of international law gets you a standing ovation.
gutter_trash
Banned
that was a good reply from Harper and actually funny
matthewwhatever
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Yes, how dare the son of the PM who was one of the chief architects behind multiculturalism stand up for his father's legacy -- plus, you know, the rights of minorities and all that. Instead of focusing on that, he should totally be thinking of how he can keep the votes of crazy racists like yourself. That bigot demographic is really key to the whole Liberal coalition.
gutter_trash
Banned
secular Liberals are in no obligation to defend ultra-conservative religious dogma, customs or practices that contradict Liberal ideals.
http://www.therebel.media/_non_musl...t_says_muslim_activist_who_wants_to_ban_niqab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0U_RRvfDSw
watch this from a Muslim Liberal explaining that the Niquab's origin predates Islam
firehawk12
Subete no aware
We are just going to bomb foreigners with no real plan, it seems. lol
Freedom of choice is not a Liberal ideal?
gutter_trash
Banned
is it really freedom of choice?
If the woman chooses to wear it. Yes it is. You have read what the individual in question has said about this whole issue right?
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/comm...-wear-a-niqab-at-my-citizenship-ceremony.html
Stevie wins one for once, but just barely:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sup...-gun-registry-data-can-be-destroyed-1.3011843
5-4, with all three Quebec judges on the losing side (along with eternal dissident Abella).
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sup...-gun-registry-data-can-be-destroyed-1.3011843
5-4, with all three Quebec judges on the losing side (along with eternal dissident Abella).
gutter_trash
Banned
this is really really sad, I don't want Canada to become like USA when it comes to guns.
matthewwhatever
Member
...and if we were having semantic religious debates in here, that might be totally germane to the discussion. But we're not: the point is that Liberals/liberals stand up for the people's fundamental human right to practice their religion, regardless of how much vile bigots and Islamophobes want to intrude on that right. No one is saying that you have to agree with it, but if you want to continue pretending to be "liberal", then you have to recognize that accepting freedom of religion is a pretty fundamental part of that.
gutter_trash
Banned
Freedom of religions ends when parents refuse to have their kids vaccinated, when parents refuse blood transfusions that might save their kids and balblabla
wanna celebrate a harmless holiday, fine. But a parent should not endanger to life of their child under the guise of freedom of religion
outright FREEDOM is nonsensical in the aspect of the rule of law, ethics in medince and science blablbalbla.
Remember that girl who died because she refused medical care because of ''beliefs'' ?
Wearing a particular kind of clothing is like refusing treatment for your children...
how?
Does that apocryphal Voltaire quote mean nothing to you?
gutter_trash
Banned
I think this exactly what Harper wanted: to side track everyone one this issue away from bigger fish and LOL it seems to be working because Trudeau and Mulcair have taken the bait. Trudeau and Mulcair are both morons for biting even more into this bait.
Seriously, I hope this little wedge issue to go away quickly so we can talk about real shit.
Hopefully the Summer will be a time to get the shit together and get ready for September campaign on normal regular issues.
Seriously, I hope this little wedge issue to go away quickly so we can talk about real shit.
Hopefully the Summer will be a time to get the shit together and get ready for September campaign on normal regular issues.
Yeah. Like separatism.
gutter_trash
Banned
that's a dead issue. Doctor Couillard is in the house for 3 years and will probably get re-elected for 4 more in 2019
*fwwooosh*
gutter_trash
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Bell tops CCTS list of telco complaints
There were 1989 complaints(36% of total complaints to the CCTS) against Bell. Rogers came in second with 1240 complaints.
Having previously dealt with Bell, I am not surprised one bit. It's hard to one up Rogers on the shitty scale, but Bell manages to do it somehow.
There were 1989 complaints(36% of total complaints to the CCTS) against Bell. Rogers came in second with 1240 complaints.
Having previously dealt with Bell, I am not surprised one bit. It's hard to one up Rogers on the shitty scale, but Bell manages to do it somehow.
This is an ugly day for the Harper government.
Canadian taxpayers lose $3.5-billion on 2009 bailout of auto firms
That $75-million in ads you paid for
@pdmcleod
Mother of god. Duffy says Peter MacKay told him he was set up on helicopter from fishing lodge story by Harper Dcom Dimitri Soudas. #cdnpoli
Going to have to be some godly budget to shift focus. Of course not to mention that next year the government will be 3.2 billion short from the sale of the stocks.
Canadian taxpayers lose $3.5-billion on 2009 bailout of auto firms
That $75-million in ads you paid for
@pdmcleod
Mother of god. Duffy says Peter MacKay told him he was set up on helicopter from fishing lodge story by Harper Dcom Dimitri Soudas. #cdnpoli
Going to have to be some godly budget to shift focus. Of course not to mention that next year the government will be 3.2 billion short from the sale of the stocks.
I hope this blows up like the sponsorship scandal. It's even worse IMO
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I sort of doubt anyone will care by the time the election rolls around, otherwise the polling numbers would be more lopsided.
Yup, the comparison is a disservice to how bad it is, as it is much, much worse and transcends simply the events of what happened to the entire methodology, governance and leadership of the Conservative party.
Outside Alberta and stock PC spots, I will be absolutely shocked if they survive this. It's going to get so much worse; Duffy's entire defense is founded on the innate corruption of the Conservative party, the Senate process and PMO directions.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/04/07/ndp-camembert-mike-duffy-trial_n_7019646.html
So the NDP was handing out chilled Camembert to reporters at the Duffy trial today.
So the NDP was handing out chilled Camembert to reporters at the Duffy trial today.
Definitely, and I'm not just saying that as a card carrying LPC member.
It's like the Ontario Conservatives dumping the 407 for pennies to claim a 'balanced budget' all over again. Such horrible misuse of public finances.
matthewwhatever
Member
It probably won't sway too many votes, but at the same time, if this is running going to be a daily thing until at least June (which is when Duffy apparently testifies), there's still lots of time for it to damage the Conservatives. If the last thing people remember before tuning out for the summer is Mike Duffy on the stand, huffing and puffing his way through all the ways Stephen Harper abused his position, that could have the same impact as those alleged envelopes stuffed full of cash from the sponsorship scandal -- regardless of how true it may be.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
There's never been any limits in this thread. Feel free.
I dunno... it's been 3 years of constant fuck ups and nothing really has changed, other than Mulcair losing position to Trudeau. I fear at best a minority government for the LPC is all we can hope for.
gutter_trash
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but Trudeau has to seriously wake up and start running on the economy.
http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/canada-deficit/
anyway, here is nice autographed photo
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...issions-cap-and-trade-system/article23895069/
Ontario is going to be joining Quebec and California in their cap-and-trade scheme.
I would have preferred a revenue neutral-carbon tax, but this is certainly better than nothing.
Ontario is going to be joining Quebec and California in their cap-and-trade scheme.
I would have preferred a revenue neutral-carbon tax, but this is certainly better than nothing.
gutter_trash
Banned
The Federal has been comical on the environment. They spend years doing nothing and is uncooperative with the proVinces.
it's like we don't have a federal government since most of the work is inter-provincial
it's like we don't have a federal government since most of the work is inter-provincial
matthewwhatever
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So, uh...
The Mainstreet Technologies automated phone survey of 3,121 Alberta voters conducted on April 13 shows the Wildrose and NDP in a statistical tie for first place at 31 per cent and 30 per cent support among decided voters, respectively.
Not that I like the NDP much, and not that I believe the Alberta PCs haven't come back from the dead before, and not that I believe the NDP has the GOTV strength or the proper vote distribution to pull something off, but...the NDP is in a statistical tie for first in a poll in Alberta. Craziness.
I wonder what, if anything, this means for the next federal election. Obviously the Conservatives are still in a really strong position, since between them and Wildrose they still have well over 50%, but at the same time, if the Conservatives are forced to defend Alberta rather than just being able to take 25+ seats for granted, that'd be a pretty interesting dynamic. When was the last time they had to even make an effort there? The '70s?
The Mainstreet Technologies automated phone survey of 3,121 Alberta voters conducted on April 13 shows the Wildrose and NDP in a statistical tie for first place at 31 per cent and 30 per cent support among decided voters, respectively.
Not that I like the NDP much, and not that I believe the Alberta PCs haven't come back from the dead before, and not that I believe the NDP has the GOTV strength or the proper vote distribution to pull something off, but...the NDP is in a statistical tie for first in a poll in Alberta. Craziness.
I wonder what, if anything, this means for the next federal election. Obviously the Conservatives are still in a really strong position, since between them and Wildrose they still have well over 50%, but at the same time, if the Conservatives are forced to defend Alberta rather than just being able to take 25+ seats for granted, that'd be a pretty interesting dynamic. When was the last time they had to even make an effort there? The '70s?
Provincial and Federal politics are pretty different and I don't think votes or support have ever really translated reliably between the two different levels. Could Mulcair get any traction in a federal campaign? I don't know. Seems like the NDP Alberta strength is very much a Rachel Notley success story.
matthewwhatever
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Probably. And as Calgary Grit tweeted, "Lib/NDP got 35%+ every elxn from '93 to '08. No surprise those who voted Redford in '12 have left PCs; Prentice has done little for them."
Still, though, between this, Nenshi and the Conservative vote going down -- in some cases significantly -- in all the federal by-elections there since 2011, it's a good reminder that Alberta isn't just a monolithic voting bloc.
Still, though, between this, Nenshi and the Conservative vote going down -- in some cases significantly -- in all the federal by-elections there since 2011, it's a good reminder that Alberta isn't just a monolithic voting bloc.
You Are Viewtiful
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Wouldn't those high NDP/Liberal numbers be because there was no Wildrose until 2008. If you didn't like the PCs, NDP/Liberal were all you had.
And polls don't mean much, when push comes to shave I think most Albertans will vote Conservative.
Alberta never was and a PR system would show that in election results.
WR voters before WR existed (in its current incarnation) were mostly happy PC voters. Wildrose is a schismatic party, not a true oppositional force. Very few people would genuinely swing between WR and NDP. Even fewer between WR and Lib, because the Liberal brand is worth about as much as dogshit here (a brief resurgence in the 90s aside) thanks to PET and the NEP.
matthewwhatever
Member
Also, the Liberals are at 10% provincially, meaning the liberal/progressive vote is currently at around 42% in Alberta polls. Suddenly all that attention Trudeau has been paying to the province doesn't seem so crazy. It may only lead to a couple of seats, but all things considered, a few seats could be the difference between forming government and leading the opposition.
EDIT: That said, some of the NDP vote could be drawn from the right. Historically, up until the Reform Party, the NDP was the protest vote in the prairies (even if way less so in Alberta than the rest of the western provinces). Part of their strength now could just be a revival of that.
EDIT: That said, some of the NDP vote could be drawn from the right. Historically, up until the Reform Party, the NDP was the protest vote in the prairies (even if way less so in Alberta than the rest of the western provinces). Part of their strength now could just be a revival of that.
gutter_trash
Banned
Provincial Parties are not comparable to their Federal counterparts weather or not they are affiliated to it.
As for WR, you can swap PC with WR and it's still the same thing
As for WR, you can swap PC with WR and it's still the same thing
It might be in some places, but it's concentrated largely in Edmonton where it can be assumed to be at least relatively genuine. Edmonton has long been the holdout against the PC juggernaut, though it was also iirc instrumental in bringing them to power in the first place as a less right-wing-looney alternative to SoCred).
The Liberals are particularly weak right now, being that they have only an interrim leader who's doing his second stint, they're losing about half their incumbents, and two of the members have taken endorsements from the smaller fringe parties in an effort to "unite the 'progressive' vote." Whatever 'progressive' really means.
The WR may be schismatic from the PCs, but no. No, this is completely and utterly wrong.
Sakura
Member
It's been said but... provincial elections have nothing to do with federal elections. The provincial parties may share the name but they are not the same as their federal counterparts.
Look at BC. We've elected a Liberal provincial government the last 4 elections in a row. The BC Conservative Party hasn't won a single seat in any of those elections.
Yet in federal elections BC is a conservative province.
You see, the 'British Columbia Liberal Party' is actually a centre-right, conservative party, like Harper's Conservative party.
Now in Alberta's situation, it is true, the federal Conservative party may be losing some support to the NDP. But still, we are talking 46 percent conservative to 19 percent NDP according to the latest polling. The provincial may be neck and neck but that is a different story.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Despite what you've correctly identified with the names not necessarily implying any relationship, in practice many provincial parties do have ties to their federal counterparts. Some formally (IE the Nova Scotia Liberals are explicitly affiliated with the Federal Liberals), some informally. The key is not to use names alone as a determinant, but rather look in to the substance of their policies and membership overlap. The Alberta PCs are absolutely reflective of the Federal Torys, especially in light of the fact that Jim Prentice was a mid-to-high ranking Harper Cabinet member, although obviously Prentice is to Harper's left and I would say the Alberta PCs have generally been so for a while. Of course, Brian Jean was also a federal CPC MP.
Since Stelmach won the leadership until Prentice took it, the federal CPC probably had closer ties to the WR than to the PCs. What support was given in public to either party in interim elections was largely given to the WR (though officially the party claimed to be staying above the fray). Stelmach and Redford were both surprises to the establishment in Alberta (and Ottawa). Stelmach even tried to raise royalty rates, and that was basically what got the Wildrose their money, even if there was a lot of grassroots organization behind them as well.
It would not be unreasonable to assume that Prentice coming in, and the subsequent defection of the Wildrose 9, was effectively Harper's attempt to bring some level of control back to the situation before this fall's federal election. It seems to have backfired.
Also, the NDP is the only party in Alberta with any official ties to their federal counterpart. The Liberals in particular have traditionally been quite vocal in attempting to distance themselves from the federal Liberals. This too has probably backfired this time around.
It would not be unreasonable to assume that Prentice coming in, and the subsequent defection of the Wildrose 9, was effectively Harper's attempt to bring some level of control back to the situation before this fall's federal election. It seems to have backfired.
Also, the NDP is the only party in Alberta with any official ties to their federal counterpart. The Liberals in particular have traditionally been quite vocal in attempting to distance themselves from the federal Liberals. This too has probably backfired this time around.
Sakura
Member
While of course there are parties with official ties, I'm just saying that you shouldn't take too much from provincial election polling/results and try to apply them to the federal level because it can be misleading.
For example. The Alberta NDP is affiliated with the federal NDP. Provincial election polling puts NDP at about 29%. Yet for federal election polling Alberta is at 19% for voting for the federal NDP.
Even if one party has a relationship with their federal counterpart, not all parties contending necessarily do, and when it comes to choosing a party to lead the country, people may have different views than when choosing who leads their province.
gutter_trash
Banned
Quebec Liberals cut off ties with the Federal Liberals in the 1960s, and I BC did the same.
While Atlantic provincial parties still have big ties with their Federal cousins. (Expect for PC.. Altantic PC parties are more like old school PC nothing like Harper)
Wild Rose imo is closer to Harper Conservatives than old school Mulroney PC
While Atlantic provincial parties still have big ties with their Federal cousins. (Expect for PC.. Altantic PC parties are more like old school PC nothing like Harper)
Wild Rose imo is closer to Harper Conservatives than old school Mulroney PC
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