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[PumpkinSpice]

lol his Montreal campaign schedual today includes campaiging in Outremont
hahahahaha

If they actually manage to take Outremont, Mulcair will resign for sure. That would make things a lot easier for the Liberals in a minority situation -- if their partner in getting bills through is a lot weaker with no leader they would mostly get their way.

 

[Azih]

I doubt they will lose many seats outside big cities. The 905 area outside of Toronto is still going to vote conservative.

Mississauga will probably go Liberal. Muslim bashing doesn't go very well at least here.

The new mayor publicly supported a new mosque and shut down an Islamophobe that claimed it would lead to an increase in crime.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/10/14/crombie-refuses-to-apologize-over-mosque-stance.html

The Actual Mayor FOR ALL TIME publicly endorsed Trudeau:

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/10/14/hazel-mccallion-slams-harper-in-liberal-ad

 

[TheRealTalker]

NDPGAF put your pitchforks down, wait until after the election, and then riot.

hey I am not rioting

Trudeau is getting grilled by reporters right now live about it. Four questions in and that's all reporters are talking about.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.2610824

Minority government confirmed, thanks media

well the media has nothing to talk about and more views is more views

 

[mo60]

I doubt they will lose many seats outside big cities. The 905 area outside of Toronto is still going to vote conservative.

It's possible if the Liberals get closer to 50% in that province. I could see the conservative outperforming the polls a bit to prevent that from happening.

 

[Sean C]

Does anyone think it's possible that the CPC loses around 50 seats in Ontario on election night? The closer the Liberals get to 50% in that province the harder it will be for the conservatives to get seats in that province.

They're too strong in rural areas to drop that low.

 

[mo60]

They're too strong in rural areas to drop that low.

I think the additional seats added to the province recently will prevent that from happening, but if liberal support creeps towards 50% in that province and stays there it's a possibility that the conservatives can lose 3-4 dozen seats(or even more seats) easily in that province on election night.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

They're too strong in rural areas to drop that low.

Can someone explain for me again why farmers <3 conservatives?

 

[matthewwhatever]

Does anyone think it's possible that the CPC loses around 50 seats in Ontario on election night? The closer the Liberals get to 50% in that province the harder it will be for the conservatives to get seats in that province.

I see them losing about 30 seats in Ontario. The Liberals may gain 50-60, but some of those will come at the expense of the NDP.

Like in Hamilton, for example, where The Spectator just endorsed the Liberals:

Overall, the Liberal plan is most honest because it acknowledges there's no free lunch. Timely strategic investment in national priorities — many of which are magnified in Hamilton — isn't free. But investments in infrastructure, job training, job creation and the environment are critically important. These things, along with the Liberals' stated intent to work collaboratively, lead us to conclude a Liberal victory on Monday would be the best outcome, for Canada and for Hamilton.

Some interesting analysis from the Star. First, from Desmond Cole, who was furious at the Liberals earlier in the campaign for what he perceived as subtle racism, is now angry with the NDP for not being progressive enough:

Mainstream political thinking in Canada is conservative, with a small “c.” It reassures us that our main struggle is to clear the already-paved road to prosperity, to defeat bad people and policies that are blocking our progress. Progressive thought tells us that since Canada is rich, but so many of us are struggling, there is something wrong with the structure of our economy or our tax systems. You don’t hear any of this from the NDP.

And from elsewhere in the paper: Campaign 2015 forced Canadians to face hard truths

Some of the lessons of Campaign 2015 have been disquieting. Some have been affirmative. Some have laid bare what we knew but did not admit.

 

[Parch]

Real change would have been chosing NDP. Going back to the Liberals isn't any change at all.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

Honestly I feel like voting for the Bloc (I'm in Quebec). I feel like it's the only party that really represent our province. NPD is close though. Unfortunately, it's the "we must separate" rhetoric that makes me hesitate to cast my vote for Duceppe. I don't think Quebec would be stronger as a country, on the contrary. BUT I do agree we need to protect our French language furthermore. Liberals and Convervatives can go suck a dick. Why? They are OK with the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).

I voted Bloc. Not because I was impressed with their campaign (I really wasn't), but by process of elimination, it was either that, maaaaybe Green, or not voting at all. But then again, I am in favor of Quebec's independence, so I guess that has an influence too...!

[...] BQ are the same as the CPC, racist pieces of crap. [...]

[...]

I'll let you guys in on a secret. Notice how the "b" of "bq" is just the "p" of "pq" flipped upside-down? The bq is, in fact, an undercover branch of the pq. They have a strong hate of canadians and the english language and are secretly working on a parasite that only infects english speakers, to wipe the english language from the face of the earth.

 

[Stet]

Can someone explain for me again why farmers <3 conservatives?

Depends on where they live in the country. In Ontario, it's obvious, as leftist groups in Provincial politics have tried to blame farmers for environmental issues and the latest ban on neonics is seen as an attack on their businesses. In the West, leftist parties are seen as blind to anything outside of cities.

For both of them, I think they feel disconnected from politicians in general, and conservative candidates tend to be the least government-oriented and most community-oriented.

 

[Tabris]

This is getting really exciting. They'll try to make a scandal out of this, but I don't think it's enough to sway the monument. So as long as nothing else drastically happens in 4 days, I am feeling good.

So many people were discouraged on the #stopharper movement a couple weeks ago. I know I was. I was actually searching work visa requirements for various countries like Sweden and Japan due to being so discouraged. I doubt I would move as I would have to convince a couple people to move with me, but I was so discouraged.

It's pretty amazing how this has shifted.

 

[Frustrated_me]

I am NOT ok with Quebec separating from Canada, I have absolutely ZERO confidence the PQ can handle governing a country let alone an aging province. Over my dead body.

I have yet to decide who is getting my vote, my town is a Liberal house. I'll see how the next couple days unfold.

 

[CitizenVectron]

It's possible if the Liberals get closer to 50% in that province. I could see the conservative outperforming the polls a bit to prevent that from happening.

Apparently the Liberals are polling between 45-48% in the 905.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

So many people were discouraged on the #stopharper movement a couple weeks ago. I know I was.

Even if Harper had maintained or even somewhat improved the poll numbers from a few weeks ago there was no way he'd get a majority again (his current one is razor thin), so he still would have been turfed.

I was actually searching work visa requirements for various countries like Sweden and Japan due to being so discouraged. I doubt I would move as I would have to convince a couple people to move with me, but I was so discouraged.

Sweden sure, but Japan has an even harder right-wing government than we do right now, plus horrible working hours just treated as the norm. I'd rather live in Harper's Canada for another 10 years than live permanently in Japan.

 

[Zombie James]

Apparently the Liberals are polling between 45-48% in the 905.

The new Hazel ad should boost that, imho.

 

[mo60]

I see them losing about 30 seats in Ontario. The Liberals may gain 50-60, but some of those will come at the expense of the NDP.

I'm thinking they are going to lose 27-40 seats at this point in Ontario if their support is in the high 20's or low thirties in that province.If the Liberals get above 50% on election night it will open the door for massive seat loses(45+ most likely) for the CPC in that province.

 

[Cake Boss]

This is getting really exciting. They'll try to make a scandal out of this, but I don't think it's enough to sway the monument. So as long as nothing else drastically happens in 4 days, I am feeling good.

So many people were discouraged on the #stopharper movement a couple weeks ago. I know I was. I was actually searching work visa requirements for various countries like Sweden and Japan due to being so discouraged. I doubt I would move as I would have to convince a couple people to move with me, but I was so discouraged.

It's pretty amazing how this has shifted.

I was thinking about moving to China with the wife a couple of weeks ago, she used to be an english teacher there.

 

[fallout]

Can someone explain for me again why farmers <3 conservatives?

I've got a bunch of family in Saskatchewan and from what I've seen, I think it's a mix of things:

• Higher percentage of strongly religious people. Issues like abortion and gay marriage are still a real concern for people in these areas.
• In many ways, farmers are small/medium business owners. Conservative fiscal policy is something that appeals to them as a result. Shutting down the Wheat Board was something the Conservatives promised to do and did. I know a lot of farmers were happy about that.
• Regional politics is a factor as well. I've heard things like: "Ontario doesn't care about farmers." and "We don't need another Prime Minister from Québec."
• To some degree, it's also a matter of them not identifying with "city people". They see there being a significant difference in how they live their lives and what they value (regardless of the actual similarities/differences). The Conservative party appeals to that aspect more than the others.

Again, this is based on what I've seen and isn't meant to be a logical explanation of government policy reflecting voting trends. Generally, though ... I think you can look at how people vote and find all sorts of fallacies.

 

[elty]

I see them losing about 30 seats in Ontario. The Liberals may gain 50-60, but some of those will come at the expense of the NDP.

I thought NDP only has 20ish seat to begin with. Not sure how can they lose all of them.

 

[Stet]

I've got a bunch of family in Saskatchewan and from what I've seen, I think it's a mix of things:

• Higher percentage of strongly religious people. Issues like abortion and gay marriage are still a real concern for people in these areas.
• In many ways, farmers are small/medium business owners. Conservative fiscal policy is something that appeals to them as a result. Shutting down the Wheat Board was something the Conservatives promised to do and did. I know a lot of farmers were happy about that.
• Regional politics is a factor as well. I've heard things like: "Ontario doesn't care about farmers." and "We don't need another Prime Minister from Québec."
• To some degree, it's also a matter of them not identifying with "city people". They see there being a significant difference in how they live their lives and what they value (regardless of the actual similarities/differences). The Conservative party appeals to that aspect more than the others.

Again, this is based on what I've seen and isn't meant to be a logical explanation of government policy reflecting voting trends. Generally, though ... I think you can look at how people vote and find all sorts of fallacies.

Yeah, it's going to be a generalization regardless of how you put it, but I think a lot of farmers are also traditionalists. They like to do things the way they've always been done--and obviously this isn't universal because there are a lot of modern farmers as well--but that would extend to keeping the status quo however possible.

 

[maharg]

This is getting really exciting. They'll try to make a scandal out of this, but I don't think it's enough to sway the monument. So as long as nothing else drastically happens in 4 days, I am feeling good.

So many people were discouraged on the #stopharper movement a couple weeks ago. I know I was. I was actually searching work visa requirements for various countries like Sweden and Japan due to being so discouraged. I doubt I would move as I would have to convince a couple people to move with me, but I was so discouraged.

It's pretty amazing how this has shifted.

I know it looks like I'll be eating a lot of crow for my opinions on which of Mulcair or Trudeau would do better in this campaign, but at least I can seek solace in the crow eating of everyone who didn't think anyone but Harper winning was possible in the Canada Poligaf thread for the last 4 years.

 

[Tabris]

Sweden sure, but Japan has an even harder right-wing government than we do right now, plus horrible working hours just treated as the norm. I'd rather live in Harper's Canada for another 10 years than live permanently in Japan.

Yeah, the difference I find is everyone I've met in Tokyo was extremely polite. Like much more then I have experienced in Canada and we're quite polite. It was refreshing, even if it is a fake politeness, I like that culture and mannerisms.

Plus I've always wanted to live in a mega city, but I really struggle with wanting to live in the US for New York, London doesn't interest me, Hong Kong is too influenced by mainland China, and Singapore's weather is horrible.

Only issue with me for Tokyo is lack of culture and ethnic diversification.

I love Vancouver, but there's too many people here that are preventing it from becoming a mega city. The transit referendum is a perfect example of this.

 

[CitizenVectron]

Yeah, it's going to be a generalization regardless of how you put it, but I think a lot of farmers are also traditionalists. They like to do things the way they've always been done--and obviously this isn't universal because there are a lot of modern farmers as well--but that would extend to keeping the status quo however possible.

Up until the Reform Party in the 90s, the NDP was the usual protest vote in Saskatchewan. So some of the vote is ideological, but much of it is regional protest.

 

[Tiktaalik]

Can someone explain for me again why farmers <3 conservatives?

I am not a farmer, and have only spent time in semi-rural areas, so I might be way off base here, but my feeling is that a primary explanation is that in rural areas services are not as present as in the cities and people have to be more self reliant. The Conservatives tend to promote policies that keeps money in the hands of people, which is appealing in this type of low service community.

For example the Liberals have spent a large amount of the campaign talking about public transit, and it's easy to see how at first glance someone in a rural area would see that as yet another expensive service for urbanites that doesn't affect them.

The reality is that everyone benefits from the reduced traffic that transit creates. Farmers' goods can reach markets easier for example.

I totally understand why rural communities would question the time and attention spent on urban centres. Politicians need to do a better job of explaining why helping cities helps rural areas too.

 

[Azih]

I'm glad I don't do poll talk.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

I've got a bunch of family in Saskatchewan and from what I've seen, I think it's a mix of things:

• Higher percentage of strongly religious people. Issues like abortion and gay marriage are still a real concern for people in these areas.
• In many ways, farmers are small/medium business owners. Conservative fiscal policy is something that appeals to them as a result. Shutting down the Wheat Board was something the Conservatives promised to do and did. I know a lot of farmers were happy about that.
• Regional politics is a factor as well. I've heard things like: "Ontario doesn't care about farmers." and "We don't need another Prime Minister from Québec."
• To some degree, it's also a matter of them not identifying with "city people". They see there being a significant difference in how they live their lives and what they value (regardless of the actual similarities/differences). The Conservative party appeals to that aspect more than the others.

Again, this is based on what I've seen and isn't meant to be a logical explanation of government policy reflecting voting trends. Generally, though ... I think you can look at how people vote and find all sorts of fallacies.

Honestly thanks for the input. It'd be great if other parties could reach out to these people better in the future so that we don't see these untouchable conservative seats forever.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

I doubt they will lose many seats outside big cities. The 905 area outside of Toronto is still going to vote conservative.

What do you base that on? A lot of the GTA riding polls show Liberals in the lead, and that was a week ago.

The rural areas are still strong Conservatives though, this gives them a base of ~30 seats to start with. Given that they won 71 seats last time, losing 50 of them is not going to happen. More like 25-40 seats.

Like in Hamilton, for example, where The Spectator just endorsed the Liberals:[/URL]:]

Newspaper endorsements never swayed anyone

The Spectator endorsed the Ontario Liberals in 2011, but the Liberals still lost Hamilton Mountain that election.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Does anyone know if Elections Canada is still forcing broadcasters to region-lock election night result coverage?

It never bothered me before since I was always in Atlantic Time Zone for previous elections but I'd rather like to see NS light up red on Monday night in real time.

 

[CitizenVectron]

Does anyone know if Elections Canada is still forcing broadcasters to region-lock election night result coverage?

It never bothered me before since I was always in Atlantic Time Zone for previous elections but I'd rather like to see NS light up red on Monday night in real time.

No, they changed that law, so we are now able to see results live across the country.

 

[Tabris]

I just listened to Mulcair's stance on TPP. He's not saying no. He's just saying he would re-negotiate as he doesn't believe in the current terms.

Same as Liberals are looking into, well slightly different - they are saying they will make it an open forum.

&#8220;If the Liberal Party of Canada earns the honour of forming a government after October 19th, we will hold a full and open public debate in Parliament to ensure Canadians are consulted on this historic trade agreement.&#8221;

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

No, they changed that law, so we are now able to see results live across the country.

That's very problematic. I'm imagining a future election where say, Quebec and the Atlantic are voting NDP, and then a Red Tory in BC who's leaning Liberal panics and votes Conservative. Yeah, technically they can go on the internet and find it out anyway, but I'd rather it not be common and accessible knowledge.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

You know those ethnic ads that say Trudeau would put pot in corner stores and a brothel and safe injection site on every block? I've heard that it's convinced some people to vote Conservative.

 

[gutter_trash]

I just listened to Mulcair's stance on TPP. He's not saying no. He's just saying he would re-negotiate as he doesn't believe in the current terms.

Same as Liberals are looking into.

But last week he said that he would scrap it

 

[Onion_Relish]

You know those ethnic ads that say Trudeau would put pot in corner stores and a brothel and safe injection site on every block? I've heard that it's convinced some people to vote Conservative.

That actually convinces me to vote liberal.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

You know those ethnic ads that say Trudeau would put pot in corner stores and a brothel and safe injection site on every block? I've heard that it's convinced some people to vote Conservative.

I fail to see how pot in corner stores and safe injection sites are in any way negative.

 

[gutter_trash]

That's very problematic. I'm imagining a future election where say, Quebec and the Atlantic are voting NDP, and then a Red Tory in BC who's leaning Liberal panics and votes Conservative. Yeah, technically they can go on the internet and find it out anyway, but I'd rather it not be common and accessible knowledge.

If it really is a problem then they should only start revealing the results as soon as the polls close in BC

But TV wouldn't like that

 

[Tabris]

But last week he said that he would scrap it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aTGkbb1lQA

It's around the 35 to 40 minute mark.

I'm against TPP but realize it's a reality we will need to participate if US and Japan accept it, but a government that looks to re-negotiate is a good compromise.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

I fail to see how pot in corner stores and safe injection sites are in any way negative.

Well, I wouldn't either, because then I'd be a nimby, but I can understand why someone may not be up for them, especially the latter. Safe injection sites bring in 'undesirables' into your neighbourhood. Of course, it's a load of crock that he'll put in any safe injection site into any random neighbourhood.

If it really is a problem then they should only start revealing the results as soon as the polls close in BC

But TV wouldn't like that

That ruins all the fun

 

[Dr.Acula]

These anti-Trudeau radio ads on CBC make him sound pretty good honestly.

The only "bad" quote they pulled was "the budget will balance itself" but it's so obvious it's the second half of a sentence.

“The commitment needs to be a commitment to grow the economy and the budget will balance itself."

That's not horrible. Basically from the Chrétien playbook.

 

[gutter_trash]

The Signal from the Star is still overtating the Conservatives in Quebec and underrating the Bloc

308 has a more realistic projection for Conservatives in Qc

TooCloseToCall is still underrating the Liberal nationwide

 

[Deleted member 126221]

Well, I wouldn't either, because then I'd be a nimby, but I can understand why someone may not be up for them, especially the latter. Safe injection sites bring in 'undesirables' into your neighbourhood. Of course, it's a load of crock that he'll put in any safe injection site into any random neighbourhood.

The safe injection sites don't create junkies. Putting these sites in problematic neighborhoods would in fact have the opposite effects of having less junkies in the streets, less soiled seringes, etc.

Do people seriously think there would be injection sites in every neighborhood? Jesus Christ.

I remember a few years ago, there was supposed to be an injection site in St-Roch (Quebec City) and people, particularly store owners, opposed it ferociously. Yet the junkies are still there...

 

[Quick]

Heard a Conservatives ad on the radio earlier, it's Harper "speaking to you" about the Conservatives' policies and why not to vote for the Liberals, finishing off with the creepiest line:

"We'll talk again tomorrow."

 

[Nibiru]

I'm going with Trudeau. Even though the Liberal running in my riding is an idiot, I'll vote liberal anyway just for a change. I watched the local debate where I am and the conservative was mopping the floor with the NDP and Liberal candidate, it was actually embarrassing. I mean lets face it here in Canada even the "conservatives" are pretty liberal. It's nothing like the U.S.

That said Harper has been in long enough and I'm not big on anyone being in charge for an extended period of time, complacency and comfort sets in. I don't brainlessly vote based on the party because there are things that the Liberals are proposing that I think are kind of nuts BUT the same goes for the conservatives. I like the pot stance from Trudeau because the war on drugs is grossly misguided imo(not a priority issue for me but it's a stand out.)

It's just time to change things up.

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

Heard a Conservatives ad on the radio earlier, it's Harper "speaking to you" about the Conservatives' policies and why not to vote for the Liberals, finishing off with the creepiest line:

"We'll talk again tomorrow."

For the past two weeks, that's been the Conservatives' radio campaign, with Harper directly speaking to the listening and finishing with that line.

Turns me off and makes me switch the station almost immediately. Sorry Edge 102.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

Heard a Conservatives ad on the radio earlier, it's Harper "speaking to you" about the Conservatives' policies and why not to vote for the Liberals, finishing off with the creepiest line:

"We'll talk again tomorrow."

"And then never again if I win."

 

[valkillmore]

So what are the chances that once marijuana is legalized and regulated that we'll be able to walk into a store and buy it? If it's legal and regulated, and for example you have to be 19 or older to purchase it, wouldn't stores them theoretically be allowed to open and sell it? Or would there be stores operate by the federal government that would sell it? Anybody have any links to articles on this?

I know Justin's intent is to have this happen as soon as possible following his election, but I'd like to know how once it's legal you go about purchasing it legally, and where.

 

[Simon Belmont]

So what are the chances that once marijuana is legalized and regulated that we'll be able to walk into a store and buy it? If it's legal and regulated, and for example you have to be 19 or older to purchase it, wouldn't stores them theoretically be allowed to open and sell it? Or would there be stores operate by the federal government that would sell it? Anybody have any links to articles on this?

I know Justin's intent is to have this happen as soon as possible following his election, but I'd like to know how once it's legal you go about purchasing it legally, and where.

Look to how your province handles liquor, it'll probably be lumped in with that.

 

[valkillmore]

Look to how your province handles liquor, it'll probably be lumped in with that.

That makes the most sense. What is interesting, however, is if you look at the LCBO, in my case, you walk into a store and they have isles, ads on the wall with beautiful photographs of bottles and smiling people enjoying a glass with friends, promotions of various brands.

Who thinks we'll see the same thing happen with pot once it's legal?

 

[gutter_trash]

Look to how your province handles liquor, it'll probably be lumped in with that.

I can just see the SAQ salivating at having their government run pot shops.

Colorado proved that it is a cash cow.

Provinces like Quebec, Ontario and BC will be going "it prints money"