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[brandonh83]

I love that most of them didn't require specific buttons and was more about timing. More games should do that.

If devs absolutely must put QTE's in games, then sure. Like I said, to me they felt far easier in this game, though there were still a couple of instances where I didn't think a QTE was about to happen, and ended up getting caught off guard.

But like I said above, I'd rather simply watch an awesome cutscene play out without having to worry about when a random QTE is about to pop up.

To me it's distracting from the otherwise awesome action directing and that's not good.

This game also commits the cardinal QTE sin:

Spoiler

The last shot of the last boss is a QTE. That is absolutely the most unsatisfying way to end a game, and any designer that thinks that's the way to do things needs a good slap in the face.

Yep, I like to think that the classic way of depleting an enemy's health by beating it into submission is good enough. It's like, it doesn't matter how good you are and how hard you fought, bitch if you miss triangle you're redoing this shit.

 

[TheKaeptain]

This game also commits the cardinal QTE sin:

Spoiler

The last shot of the last boss is a QTE. That is absolutely the most unsatisfying way to end a game, and any designer that thinks that's the way to do things needs a good slap in the face.

HATE THAT WITH ALL MY HEART!

 

[luka]

Yep, I like to think that the classic way of depleting an enemy's health by beating it into submission is good enough. It's like, it doesn't matter how good you are and how hard you fought, bitch if you miss triangle you're redoing this shit.

 

[brandonh83]

Is that the Official QTE Magazine?

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

It takes ownership of the battle away from players. If the combat system is sufficiently deep (and it is here), then everyone who plays can have their own cool story about how they won a battle. With QTEs, you've taken that ownership away, and everyone has the same story for the way they won. It's not an obvious thing, but I think it's a lot of why I don't like that particular way of going about things.

Spoiler

though at least it's not as bad as Bionic Commando 09 which does the ultimate finishing QTE asshole move of having the ENTIRE last boss fight being a QTE... what a bonerkill that was.

Having any button work for the circle-in-circle QTEs was a good idea, though. Not as good as just getting rid of them, though.

 

[Fimbulvetr]

I wonder when we'll finally be rid of QTEs.

Maybe a bit after we achieve world peace.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

I wonder when we'll finally be rid of QTEs.

Maybe a bit after we achieve world peace.

I think they're starting to fall out of favour a bit. Even the licensed dreck is moving away from them these days.

 

[Fimbulvetr]

I think they're starting to fall out of favour a bit. Even the licensed dreck is moving away from them these days.

Yeah, it's all about automatic "platforming" these days.

 

[Nemesis_]

So, err, I just received my Asia version in the mail (finally).

And I noticed it says on the back that this game is Kinect compatible, but the sensor is sold separately.

????

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Yeah, it's all about automatic "platforming" these days.

Hahah, yep, that's the new trend. That and pop 'n' shoot.

 

[TheKaeptain]

Kids get lower test scores in school, video games get easier...

 

[Fimbulvetr]

And I noticed it says on the back that this game is Kinect compatible, but the sensor is sold separately.

wat

 

[TheKaeptain]

So, err, I just received my Asia version in the mail (finally).

And I noticed it says on the back that this game is Kinect compatible, but the sensor is sold separately.

????

???

 

[SonOfABeep]

onto disc 2 and I still love this game

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Clearly it just lets you start each level by saying "engage" or "on-screen".

 

[brandonh83]

wat

I think it was just some jackass at the studio who thought it was a clever Kinect-related joke about having to get up off the couch to change discs.

 

[-tetsuo-]

Clearly it just lets you start each level by saying "engage" or "on-screen".

:lol

 

[THE Caffeinated]

I'm pro QTEs when done right, as in they're just finishing moves that look more badass.
If the option is say hypothetically hit triangle and square a couple more times to combo the boss to death or hit circle to drive its head into giant broken mast on a sinking ship, I choose the latter.

I also 100% agree that missing the strict timing on some of them and having to repeat the sequence is incredibly annoying, but I have good reactions so i'm fine.

 

[Nemesis_]

wat

Maybe a DLC pack will use it? =/ Or it could just be a retarded reprint.

???

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-dw-49-en-70-3fe7.html

 

[jett]

Clearly it just lets you start each level by saying "engage" or "on-screen".

"Do you want to save your game?"

MAKE IT SO

 

[Noisepurge]

4 days to go until the Limited Edition arrives :E

 

[Spike]

Clearly it just lets you start each level by saying "engage" or "on-screen".

"Do you want to save your game?"

MAKE IT SO

:lol

 

[Naeblish]

Clearly it just lets you start each level by saying "engage" or "on-screen".

Plus you get an achievement if you repeat everything Patrick Stewart says.

 

[Korey]

I really like the circle QTEs. They're very lenient and feel awesome at key points during an action sequence.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Absolutely pathetic...I was on the final boss in this game, and I quit...when I tried to load it up later, there is no save, it just gives me the option to start a new campaign...I finished with this rubbish, I'll trade it in next time I have the opportunity...there is a lot of minor problems with this game, but this one certainly isn't...never happened to me before in any game...I'm certainly not going to play through the campaign again...I'll just watch the ending on youtube... Its a pity, because I was enjoying the game, but something like this is pretty unforgiveable from a Q & A perspective, and certainly questions my interest in anything else they might produce...

 

[∀ Narayan]

Absolutely pathetic...I was on the final boss in this game, and I quit...when I tried to load it up later, there is no save, it just gives me the option to start a new campaign...I finished with this rubbish, I'll trade it in next time I have the opportunity...there is a lot of minor problems with this game, but this one certainly isn't...never happened to me before in any game...I'm certainly not going to play through the campaign again...I'll just watch the ending on youtube... Its a pity, because I was enjoying the game, but something like this is pretty unforgiveable from a Q & A perspective, and certainly questions my interest in anything else they might produce...

Yeah, this if this happens to me, it's definitely going to be a deal breaker. The game will immediately go in the shit bin. (If it happens. It hasn't yet.)

 

[semiconscious]

It takes ownership of the battle away from players. If the combat system is sufficiently deep (and it is here), then everyone who plays can have their own cool story about how they won a battle. With QTEs, you've taken that ownership away, and everyone has the same story for the way they won. It's not an obvious thing, but I think it's a lot of why I don't like that particular way of going about things.

nailed. says it all...

 

[Valcryst]

It takes ownership of the battle away from players. If the combat system is sufficiently deep (and it is here), then everyone who plays can have their own cool story about how they won a battle. With QTEs, you've taken that ownership away, and everyone has the same story for the way they won. It's not an obvious thing, but I think it's a lot of why I don't like that particular way of going about things.

That's an Interesting point!
I see it slightly different; in Castlevania you actually win battles with skills, the QTEs are in the CG sequences, and instead of watching them "passively" (like in many other games) you interact with them and you still can fail.
If they were in-game I'd agree with you!

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

That's an Interesting point!
I see it slightly different; in Castlevania you actually win battles with skills, the QTEs are in the CG sequences, and instead of watching them "passively" (like in many other games) you interact with them and you still can fail.
If they were in-game I'd agree with you!

Some of them are in-game. I don't feel QTEs are a good way of interacting with the player regardless. They aren't a skill you develop over the course of a game. Pushing A to kill the end boss takes no more ability or experience than pushing A to kill a regular enemy. It's a cheap "gotcha" that at best wastes the player's time and at worst leaves the player feeling like they were cheated out of the part that actually took skill, because they have to repeat it for not being psychic during cut-scenes.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Wonder if anyone who is at the final battle on ps3 could upload their save file...I would still prefer to complete the game, rather than youtube the ending, if I can...:lol

 

[boutrosinit]

QTEs are just the developer admitting they couldn't figure out how to let you do something with actual gameplay, so they play a little movie and you press a button. It's a crutch and frankly this game's combat is good enough that they don't need it. Throwing QTEs into cinemas is just as bad. It's not adding any actual gameplay, it's just forcing you to sit waiting for a possible button prompt instead of enjoying the cutscene. Even in the best implementations, it's wearing very, very thin, and this game isn't anywhere near the best implementation.

This game also commits the cardinal QTE sin:

Spoiler

The last shot of the last boss is a QTE. That is absolutely the most unsatisfying way to end a game, and any designer that thinks that's the way to do things needs a good slap in the face.

This and everything else you state about QTEs = i agree x 100.

 

[Princess Skittles]

Quick Qs.

Game length?

Good/fun achievements?

 

[Zzoram]

What's this save issue? Does it affect both versions of the game?

 

[LiK]

Quick Qs.

Game length?

Good/fun achievements?

20 hours average on normal and yes, challenging achievement and trophies from upgrades and trials etc

 

[Valcryst]

Some of them are in-game. I don't feel QTEs are a good way of interacting with the player regardless. They aren't a skill you develop over the course of a game. Pushing A to kill the end boss takes no more ability or experience than pushing A to kill a regular enemy. It's a cheap "gotcha" that at best wastes the player's time and at worst leaves the player feeling like they were cheated out of the part that actually took skill, because they have to repeat it for not being psychic during cut-scenes.

As for the in game QTEs to kill bosses I totally agree with you!

@ Princess Skittles - I've beaten the game in 19 hours (!) and I still were at 56%. I took all the time to admire the stunning environments.
As for the achievements, they're mostly (slight spoiler)

Spoiler

gather all * gems, complete all trials, unlock all artworks, finish chapters on 4 difficulty levels, get 110%

...but the trials themselves are actually good "in game achievements" that require a lot of skills!

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

What's this save issue? Does it affect both versions of the game?

PS3 version only. Both versions sometimes crash, but only the PS3 version has a corrupt save file issue. There's apparently a patch on the way. Recommend backing up your save file to a USB stick before/after each play session until then.

 

[Princess Skittles]

Thanks! Might ask for it for Christmas.

 

[Hela]

I'm really impressed how engaging and intense the boss fights are, I haven't had some much fun with them in a while.
I'm about a half way in and it's shaping to be my second favorite game of the year, just after ME2.

 

[RavenFox]

Wonder if anyone who is at the final battle on ps3 could upload their save file...I would still prefer to complete the game, rather than youtube the ending, if I can...:lol

PM me your email and I'll send you a zip file with mine.

 

[JohngPR]

Wow, the puzzle at the end of Chapter V of Castlevania made me feel really stupid. LOL It almost feels that way by design. Well played Mercury Steam.

 

[john tv]

PM me your email and I'll send you a zip file with mine.

Does that work? Wouldn't he need to log in with your PSN account to use it?

 

[JohngPR]

Does that work? Wouldn't he need to log in with your PSN account to use it?

If I'm not mistaken, you can use any file that isn't copy written.

 

[The Bookerman]

Does that work? Wouldn't he need to log in with your PSN account to use it?

Yup... Since I'm an arachnophobe, me and a friend are double teaming the spiders through the game.:lol

 

[nelsonroyale]

PM me your email and I'll send you a zip file with mine.

Thanks alot man!

 

[RavenFox]

Thanks alot man!

Not a problem. I'm at work so later tonight when I get home.

edit:Holy Moly I just realized I have my backup for the last chapter with me at work. If you want the complete end I can still get that to you later tonight.

 

[andymcc]

Yup... Since I'm an arachnophobe, me and a friend are double teaming the spiders through the game.:lol

:lol

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

we got people busting nuts

we got people double teaming giant spiders

this is the most erotic thread on gaf in quite some time.

 

[The Bookerman]

we got people busting nuts

we got people double teaming giant spiders

this is the most erotic thread on gaf in quite some time.

Giant Spiders have plenty to go around. :lol

Can't stand eight legged freaks(the bigger ones).

Same goes for the facehugger in alien... That thing is stuff of nightmares for me.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Not a problem. I'm at work so later tonight when I get home.

edit:Holy Moly I just realized I have my backup for the last chapter with me at work. If you want the complete end I can still get that to you later tonight.

Nah, that will do man! The complete chapter is just the last fight, am I right?

 

[LiK]

Yup... Since I'm an arachnophobe, me and a friend are double teaming the spiders through the game.:lol

watch out when they shoot their goo