balladofwindfishes
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Nope, she was a maybe, now she seems lean no
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CBO score on Senate GOP health bill released, 22M more uninsured relative to ACA
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Nope, she was a maybe, now she seems lean no
uncelestial
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Wasn't the CBO off because Republican Governors refused to take Federal dollars for expanded Medicaid?
Technosteve
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Will this reduce my Medicare Payments out of my paycheck?
NullPointer
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Partly. The CBO also expected more employers to drop their plans.
PhoenixDawn
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Probably not, they now just go directly to the wealthy as part of their "deficit reduction" plan.
Autodidact
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1 in 5? That is... a lot of people
Maine's a poor, rural state, the poorest in New England, I think.
And look at Media's Moderate Darling Sue Collins coming to the rescue!
Let's see if it sticks.
PrivateWHudson
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A bunch of Red Counties would be hurt? Almost makes me want to root for the bill.
Duxxy3
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Bootstraps tax.
Fenderputty
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This is a funny post when contrasted with the myriad of other posts actually concerned with the well being of others lol.
skullmuffins
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Yes. The ACA originally mandated the expansion nationwide, and that's what the CBO score was based off of. The provision got knocked down in the Supreme Court. No shit fewer people were covered when Republican governors literally fought for the right to cover fewer people. Disingenuous fucks.
Just like the bible they pick and choose which parts they like and apply to reality and then conveniently forget the rest and make excuses for why it doesn't apply when pressed.
People will fall for this bullshit that's what's crazy to me.
Technosteve
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If we are going to fuck over 22 million people that depend on the government to have some kind of decency to life, I'm going to at least "Get What's Mine".
Wait, if shes a no, and rand and heller are no's, then this thing is dead, right? Guess we'll see but with how giddy Mcconnell is I dont have much hope.
TheOctodad
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It's not dead until after the vote. Don't get your hopes up.
I'd think Collins will be a pretty firm no, there's no real concoction which will even semi work for Maine. She's smart enough to realise that, the question is whether they can fudge the numbers to allow her to be one of the two.
sturgboski
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Yeah considering the vast majority of the tax break is for the medical companies and the wealthy. But hey you can quote anything and get it to work out to what you want with enough ellipses.
balladofwindfishes
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She'd be the fourth no if she decides to go hard no, as Collins is a confirmed no.
She'd be stupid to vote yes on this bill, it would end her career. McConnell will have to do some serious dealing.
Fenderputty
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Fair enough ...
I believe most of the medicaid cuts are being are being transferred to the rich removing the Obamacare taxes on the wealthy. Any additional savings this thing gives us will be used for the GOP to pass a tax cut that also mostly benefits the wealthy.
Chmpocalypse
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As if anything the modern republican party supports will save you money. Lol
Oh, it'll be engineered to LOOK like you're getting help, but it'll bite you in the ass in a hundred other ways.
And even if it did, standing by as millions lose their healthcare just so you can get a few bucks is the height of asshole selfishness.
RPGCrazied
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I really don't see Rand staying a no. He just seems like someone that would say I'm a no and vote yes come vote time.
wolfhowwl
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No. Medicare and Medicaid are separate programs.
If this bill passes, I'm likely just going to move back home to Portugal. I'm unemployed and under medicaid, I need it to basically live since I can't afford insurance. Without healthcare, I'm likely going to die in a few years, especially without access to my therapist and meds. Just.. ugh. I have so much anger.
Consider calling your senators, thought if they're republican, they'll likely ignore you. There's always the Robespierre option, but most would never even attempt despite the fact millions are going to die because the current government doesn't care.
Consider calling your senators, thought if they're republican, they'll likely ignore you. There's always the Robespierre option, but most would never even attempt despite the fact millions are going to die because the current government doesn't care.
balladofwindfishes
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Not a chance
I'm seeing three fairly definitive no's here from Heller (up for re-election, his state would be hit hard), Collins (Maine depends heavily on medicaid), and Murkowski (ditto). I can see several republican Governors also being furious if this passes as it would potentially decimate their states.
No democrat will vote for this, their career would be over.
No democrat will vote for this, their career would be over.
If that democrat is looking for another line of work, maybe.
RPGCrazied
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Pretty much would end that senators career right then.
0. When we say someone like Manchin is better than a GOPer, this is the shit we're talking about- he has our backs here.
I work at a not for profit hospital group and I see patients on a regular basis that will literally be dead in days/weeks without Medicaid and other coverages. All of the cascading changes as a result from this will also wind up severely limiting our ability to offer charity care/financial aid (we write off hundreds of millions in medical costs for these people a year) for people who already as-is just barely don't qualify for Medicaid etc.
I'd love any of the senators voting yes on this to spend a day working with incredibly ill children struggling to breathe and chemo patients who will be dead in short order once these changes start really rolling out. Although lord knows they probably still wouldn't give a shit, fucking assholes.
I'd love any of the senators voting yes on this to spend a day working with incredibly ill children struggling to breathe and chemo patients who will be dead in short order once these changes start really rolling out. Although lord knows they probably still wouldn't give a shit, fucking assholes.
Glitchesarecool
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The democrats sacrificed their political chances building the ACA, it's inconceivable any of them would flip without literal bribery.
There's a major issue Republican Senators/House members are likely either willfully ignoring or blindly ignoring: Republican Governors who have moved on Medicaid expansion for their states.
This will cripple certain red states to such a startling degree that their constituents are nigh going to revolt as the state medical programs collapse overnight, and I can't imagine the ramifications that are going to cascade over some red states already struggling internal economies (if not outright failed states). Worse still is that the Governor will have their own Senator to point at and say: "He voted for this, I opposed and tried to use the program.".
I don't know if they think this will just "blow over" but when state medical programs collapse, usually that doesn't "blow over".
Not to mention the AARP is going to be out for blood on this plan and any name attached to it. This is like 2008 all over again. If you are a Republican who voted *for* this bill and are up for re-election in a older-leaning district you may as well not bother running, you will be gutted.
This will cripple certain red states to such a startling degree that their constituents are nigh going to revolt as the state medical programs collapse overnight, and I can't imagine the ramifications that are going to cascade over some red states already struggling internal economies (if not outright failed states). Worse still is that the Governor will have their own Senator to point at and say: "He voted for this, I opposed and tried to use the program.".
I don't know if they think this will just "blow over" but when state medical programs collapse, usually that doesn't "blow over".
Not to mention the AARP is going to be out for blood on this plan and any name attached to it. This is like 2008 all over again. If you are a Republican who voted *for* this bill and are up for re-election in a older-leaning district you may as well not bother running, you will be gutted.
TestOfTide
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No, because even someone like Manchin benefits much more politically by voting AGAINST this bill than voting for it.
Autodidact
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Yep. Heller flipped to a firm no after he spoke with Gov. Sandoval. I can think of at least three other Republican governors who would oppose this bill.
ER visits are going to go through the roof. How will the ambulance, hospital, and physician fees be paid? By raising rates on everyone else which means insurance premiums are going up and deductibles are rising. So everyone pays anyway.
This is also not going to help curtail the slow rise of blue gubernatorial positions. Its just going to speed it up.
Republicans are losing the populace.
Most will be ignored, the ramifications of this will show up on the local level and later in House/Senate but there's a very real "removed from the electorate" barrier for the Washington elect vs. people like governors/mayors/local officials. The ire is going to be palpable on the local level.
Heller is up for re-election. If he votes for this, he will not be re-elected.
Republicans are losing the populace.
Most will be ignored, the ramifications of this will show up on the local level and later in House/Senate but there's a very real "removed from the electorate" barrier for the Washington elect vs. people like governors/mayors/local officials. The ire is going to be palpable on the local level.
Heller is up for re-election. If he votes for this, he will not be re-elected.
The Faceless Master
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they need to pick up an American History book.
What color is the sky in your world?
Sho_Nuff82
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Nah
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1163184&page=1
US median household income is 53k.
Median household income for home ownership in the most expensive cities in America tops out at $150k/yr. 250k puts you in the top 5% of earners in the US, and an even higher % ww. There's no reason other than tradition to refer to it as middle class.
My parents bought a house in the Atlanta area for <250k total lol.
Red.
fredrancour
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Manchin has his seat for being pro-worker as the last trace of union power representing WV. When he looks at the social safety net, he doesn't see welfare queens or whatever else that people imagine to justify abandoning the poor. He sees sick coal miners and their families
They are?
RPGCrazied
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Some are, but you are right, its should be from ALL democrats to label it that.
Because it lets the GOP wash themselves of it in future election cycles.
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