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[manfestival]

Seems alot of people here are reading my previous comment and getting offended without even looking at what I was responding to. And again for the record I am a white male.

You didn't do yourself any good by being dismissive of the statement. In other words, you could have approached it much smarter instead of a drive-by insulting post(essentially offering 0 intellect to the actual conversation). Also you misspelled ridiculous when spellcheck is readily available for everyone (this last post was just me pointing out something that eats me alive every time I see it).

 

[Dunki]

I'm a straight white male. Your post was beyond rediculous. Out of all the reasons to commit suicide you go right to blaming it on poor white men being called racist lol get a grip.

Ok then you are one those who I have mentioned in the first post. No I am l blaming it on people like you seeing white people as nothing else then the opressers and evil in the world. And you comment has certainly shown this. first and foremost Depression is something many many many people these days have ut if they get ridiculoud for it like you did with your post and otherwise have no help and so called progressive people to suck it up then what do you think will happen.

And your post still was racist maybe your hate your own origin so much that you see this as some despicable but others do not. They have been born with it they did not chose to become male or white in this aspect they had no other choice and when they ask for help they get ridiculouled from people and people thinking like you. I am sorry but when the domestic violence rate for example is almost on an even playing field (women hit more often men do more damage) and these people have NO help in form of shelters places they can go etc. What do you think will happen with other problems? Men has been stigmatized to an absurd level combine this with the huge pressure they have to barely able to survive (lol white privilige my ass) they see no other way than this.

I guess U have not posted that often enough this si from a well knon feminist and this is who I blame for these rates as well. Comments like this. Ideologies like this etc.

 

[llien]

D Dunki who is Kate Morgan and how is suggestion to do selective abortion / men-hating related to this thread?

 

[-Minsc-]

Another reason some don’t feel the increase of mass shootings are because of guns. But rather mental health.

Newer generations seem to either have completely different priorities.

Owning your own home, car, and providing for your family was the American dream back in the day. That middle class life.

Now it seems like that’s not good enough. And that life isn’t ultra easy to achieve for many, it’s an incredible climb for many.

I'll agree with the mental health view. From my understanding these mass shootings are a form of suicide which takes unwilling bystanders out along with the individual.

Lifestyle inflation could be one aspect. Another is we now grow up in a world we are increasingly told to bend the world exactly to an image of how we want to live and "try to be unique". This is opposed to understanding that we have limited control of the world around us and that we are all unique with out even trying.

Also let us not forget that white men have the highest rates by far. Being constantly bombared how bad their race and gender is will not make people happy but rather depressive. Ignoring their problems and even labeling them as racist and sexist when they speak up by a certain group or political ideology is not making this better.

As a white man I'll agree that being bombarded with the idea of my that race and sex is very evil can be stressful. That said, I don't want to make a big deal out of it since it isn't what's important. As individuals we all have our stresses and issues. These past few years I've been increasingly bombarded with a message which has been trying to get me to lose sight that.

???? This implies that people are now expecting more than this? The middle class has been decimated and the gulf between the rich and the middle class has widened to a big yawning chasm. The average price for home in my neighborhood is $1.3 million dollars.

We fucked over, and still fuck over our kids.

I see it as more a misunderstanding between the richest of the rich and the poorest of the poor. The two extremes don't listen to each other. I'm not going to blame it all on the wealthy as there definitely are poor who leech off the middle. This said, the wealthy should certainly come to understand that while being wealthy is not bad it is a good idea to not go too far ahead.

White fragility. Poor white men.

It can be hard to understand that people, groups and events in recorded history, while important and certainly have influenced me in some way, do not define me.

Your parents most likely didn't go into debt for shit they didn't need.

They didn't pay monthly to have a iPhone and data they burned through watching world star.
They didn't pay to eat meals out at high frequency.
They made their cup of coffee at home for $10 a week, not $10 a day.
They didn't spend their free time or break time on Facebook.
They didn't put so much time into their social status.
They didn't need a BMW or multiple cars.

The American Dream for many was Middle Class life. Now it's celebrity life or my life sucks.

It is really hard to know what to do. At one time having a fire to cook food and provide heat was the high life. We live in a world which is more diverse than ever. I'm having a very hard time drawing the line. *edit* When do draw the line I'm made to feel bad for it. I'd like to be able to set boundaries with out sounding whiny. Oh life. I guess I just have to continue to learn, grow and deal with it.

 

[Future]

A lot of countries with socialized medicine do not cover therapy and basic psychological services well. Canada barely covers it.

Sure. So I’m guessing there is no solution really. I mean we can all keep saying we can try to fund this and that, but there is so much discussion on this topic already. It feels like a reality people have to deal with. And the quality of a persons support network of family and friends will really dictate whether or not help is received.

But on that note, if mental health issues is just an accepted reality, then you have to ask what’s different country to country or region to region. People are people, and as far as I know there is no reason to suspect certain countries are more or less succeptable to mental health issues. If that’s the case, then it would still be good to compare those with the lowest rates compared to the highest. Even within the US there is wide difference of rates between states.

 

[Dunki]

D Dunki who is Kate Morgan and how is suggestion to do selective abortion / men-hating related to this thread?

She is one of the more promininet faces of modern feminism And it helps to prove my point about especially white men seen as the most evil in the world which also puts a lot of pressure on them despite the things almost everyone non rich person faces these days.

 

[MrDanGuy]

I wonder how much technology has to do with this.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

I wonder how much technology has to do with this.

As in, a perilous awareness of how absolutely unremarkable a person is?

Probably.

Imagine Al Bundy in 2018. There are kids being scouted by the pros in middle school these days.

 

[Naudi]

Ok then you are one those who I have mentioned in the first post. No I am l blaming it on people like you seeing white people as nothing else then the opressers and evil in the world. And you comment has certainly shown this. first and foremost Depression is something many many many people these days have ut if they get ridiculoud for it like you did with your post and otherwise have no help and so called progressive people to suck it up then what do you think will happen.

And your post still was racist maybe your hate your own origin so much that you see this as some despicable but others do not. They have been born with it they did not chose to become male or white in this aspect they had no other choice and when they ask for help they get ridiculouled from people and people thinking like you. I am sorry but when the domestic violence rate for example is almost on an even playing field (women hit more often men do more damage) and these people have NO help in form of shelters places they can go etc. What do you think will happen with other problems? Men has been stigmatized to an absurd level combine this with the huge pressure they have to barely able to survive (lol white privilige my ass) they see no other way than this.

I guess U have not posted that often enough this si from a well knon feminist and this is who I blame for these rates as well. Comments like this. Ideologies like this etc.

Lol holy shit dude. Should I pull some random tweet to show how ignorant you are? I don't hate my origin at all, I have no clue wtf you're talking about. I'm sorry you feel being born as a white male is tough on you, I do not share that sentiment.

 

[mr2xxx]

Lol holy shit dude. Should I pull some random tweet to show how ignorant you are? I don't hate my origin at all, I have no clue wtf you're talking about. I'm sorry you feel being born as a white male is tough on you, I do not share that sentiment.

That’s Dunki for you. He’s a German dude who’s upset that a American women made a cruel joke and has now posted that exact same tweet countless times.

 

[<+)O Robido O(+>]

She is one of the more prominent faces of modern feminism

Is she though?

 

[Punchpudding]

I remember going to a presentation for the Big Brother / Big Sister non-profit and one of the things they said outright was that they were looking for more donations for boys because the girls were already well funded. It’s not just America but a human cross-cultural concept to take care of women and men are left to fend for themselves.

It seems like culture is at odds with economics. Where culture pushes men to play the role of providers, economics wants to maximize the number of workers. Governments and businesses benefit when there are more workers and I think there is an effort to change the culture (or at least to encourage change) towards something more economically beneficial.

That transition, however, is difficult. Men are getting less opportunities but they are still held by cultural standards to survive on their own if not provide for others. Men who achieve less are ridiculed while men who achieve more are downplayed. On the flip side, women are experiencing the “paradox of declining female happiness”—more pay but less happiness (https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/may/18/womens-rights-happiness-wellbeing-gender-gap).

The whole thing feels like a cultural experiment where everybody is less happy for the foreseeable future.

 

[rokkerkory]

Mental illness so bad. I feel for them.

 

[-Minsc-]

Mental health:

I have to wonder if mental health really is any worse these days. Having more statistical data may just be revealing how things actually are as opposed to there being an actual increase of people who have issues. What may very well be happening is the lies and facades we all put up are being exposed. It is becoming harder and harder to keep up an image of our choosing. This can either be of our selves or our image of others.

 

[Liberty4all]

I think a part of it is that a man's role in society has been redefined over the years... From being main bread winner supporting spouse and kids with a good middle class lifestyle to now being reliant on said spouse who often as not is making more money... And all still struggling even with dual incomes.

Men traditionally have always wanted to be the main one supporting their families and now are struggling to do so.

 

[Enosh]

I expect suicide rates to continue to rise given America's reticence to address the issue of healthcare availability and affordability as well as its distribution of firearms in particular.

I expect suicides to increase due to the breakdown of family bonds, social cohesion and loss of jobs due to high immigration and the deconstruction of national and social identity

 

[Phoenix RISING]

I expect suicides to increase due to the breakdown of family bonds, social cohesion and loss of jobs due to high immigration and the deconstruction of national and social identity

Smells like nationalism

 

[DiscoJer]

Here's an example, today's most read Washington Post opinion piece "Why can't we hate men?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f8c363814a3c

 

[AngularSaxophone]

It's so odd to see the majority of the people here saying it's a mental health issue. It's STRESS. People are stressed the hell out. Way past max. It has nothing to do with wants. When you have someone like Anthony Bourdaine who literally had access to the world, cash, and a family off himself, and all you can say is "mental health" you're missing the main driver that causes the mental strain.

We live in a world where we're given very little time to ourselves anymore. It's killing people. Even for the famous. All we see is what's on the TEEVEE or the internet(s). Behind the scenes people serverely lack rest and simple fulfillment.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

It's so odd to see the majority of the people here saying it's a mental health issue. It's STRESS. People are stressed the hell out. Way past max. It has nothing to do with wants. When you have someone like Anthony Bourdaine who literally had access to the world, cash, and a family off himself, and all you can say is "mental health" you're missing the main driver that causes the mental strain.

We live in a world where we're given very little time to ourselves anymore. It's killing people. Even for the famous. All we see is what's on the TEEVEE or the internet(s). Behind the scenes people serverely lack rest and simple fulfillment.

I also find mental health too easy a scapegoat.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

I'll agree with the mental health view. From my understanding these mass shootings are a form of suicide which takes unwilling bystanders out along with the individual.

It doesn't help kids nowadays are on like 7 different kinds of meds...

 

[AngularSaxophone]

It doesn't help kids nowadays are on like 7 different kinds of meds...

Mental health is just the excuse for MOAR PILLS. I could 100% guarantee you if people simply ate more vegetables we’d feel better.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

I'm not feeling happy today mom

TAKE YOUR PILLS

Current year is some dystopian shit

 

[AngularSaxophone]

The controllers of the world have in place tons of little micro stressors that fuck us over silently on a daily basis. They want people in and out of hospitals.

 

[Blood Borne]

???? This implies that people are now expecting more than this? The middle class has been decimated and the gulf between the rich and the middle class has widened to a big yawning chasm. The average price for home in my neighborhood is $1.3 million dollars.

We fucked over, and still fuck over our kids.

Leftists policies will ALWAYS destroy the middle class. Leftist policies make rich people richer and poor people poorer.

One has to think whether this is done on purpose by leftist elites and politicians, just so they can maintain their relevance and/or lead to their highly desired socialist/communist revolution.

 

[gohepcat]

Leftists policies will ALWAYS destroy the middle class. Leftist policies make rich people richer and poor people poorer.

One has to think whether this is done on purpose by leftist elites and politicians, just so they can maintain their relevance and/or lead to their highly desired socialist/communist revolution.

Haha. Goddamn you people just full-on drink from the AM radio/right wing firehouse non fucking stop don’t you?

I must be living in a bonkers town because we voted 87% HRC and we have the best public schools in the state with the best public school system. We also have well-funded social programs and essentially implemented the ACA five years before everyone else. My kids go to school with the kids whose mom works at the laundromat folding clothes.

Do you have any experience in the actual real world? Like… Have you traveled at all or do you just parrot right wing talking points without actually experiencing any of these things firsthand? Don’t you ever worry that people are going to call you on your bullshit?

“Leftist elites and politicians” haha! The most depressing thing about your worldview is that I know people who you would consider leftist elites. I know people who worked on public policy under Obama and Bush. These are people who dedicated their lives to the study of health policy for instance... or science policy. They are some of the most moral and unselfish people I know. I would be proud for my children to grow up to be just like them. Anyone should be.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

America's been on a downward spiral since 1999, first there was 9/11, then the Iraq war, then the Great Recession and now Trump, it never lets up, it just seems to go on and on.

We live in depressive times, if someone suffers from depression then the times we live in are not good for anyone's mental health.

 

[Super Mario]

It's so odd to see the majority of the people here saying it's a mental health issue. It's STRESS. People are stressed the hell out. Way past max. It has nothing to do with wants. When you have someone like Anthony Bourdaine who literally had access to the world, cash, and a family off himself, and all you can say is "mental health" you're missing the main driver that causes the mental strain.

We live in a world where we're given very little time to ourselves anymore. It's killing people. Even for the famous. All we see is what's on the TEEVEE or the internet(s). Behind the scenes people serverely lack rest and simple fulfillment.

Agreed. The world is too demanding, and only gets worse. You have to look like this. Own this. Have this kind of job. Act like this.

 

[Gander]

Stagnate wages, younger and younger teen pregnancy and not enough mental help avenues are likely to blame.

 

[Future]

Agreed. The world is too demanding, and only gets worse. You have to look like this. Own this. Have this kind of job. Act like this.

Truth. But there have to be other factors considering the rates aren’t the same throughout the country. Or that it’s these problems are more pronounced in certain regions like Utah

 

[mckmas8808]

Truth. But there have to be other factors considering the rates aren’t the same throughout the country. Or that it’s these problems are more pronounced in certain regions like Utah

I think some people wouldn't like the answer to the possible problems/causes for increase suicide rates. This is something that needs to be taken seriously.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

Agreed. The world is too demanding, and only gets worse. You have to look like this. Own this. Have this kind of job. Act like this.

Let the record show, that I agreed with Super Mario on something.

Stagnate wages, younger and younger teen pregnancy and not enough mental help avenues are likely to blame.

Teen pregnancy is actually on the decline, as youth/people are generally having less sex. But the other two, you're on point.

It doesn't help kids nowadays are on like 7 different kinds of meds...

I took a 300mg caffeine pill this morning because *I* forgot that I was 34 instead of 24, and am at work on 4 hours of sleep. I usually just tough it out, but there was no way I was getting through my boring stack of paperwork today without it.

AND
I
FEEL
FANTASTIC!!!!


I can feel the ache in my joints from the lack of sleep, but I'm alert AF!
I feel like I could go outside and pick up my car over my head like the Hulk and toss it into my house from 40 miles away, lol!

And I said to myself, "I CANNOT make a habit of this." I usually don't even drink coffee, let alone drink energy drinks of any kind or take a gas station pill. This is DANGEROUS, as I read like 10 paragraphs of health risks associated with this pill before I ingested it, let alone if I made a habit of consuming them daily like some people do.

I can see how this can become addicting if you suffer from insomnia, sleep apnea, are overworked juggling 3 jobs due to low wages, or just need a general pick-me-up like a low-grade version of Speed (let's be honest here...this *is* legalized crack).

We are under-rested, and heavily medicated, to corroborate what AngularSaxophone said about stress.



It's great to see GAF in AGREEMENT on a topic for a change!

 

[oagboghi2]

Haha. Goddamn you people just full-on drink from the AM radio/right wing firehouse non fucking stop don’t you?

I must be living in a bonkers town because we voted 87% HRC and we have the best public schools in the state with the best public school system. We also have well-funded social programs and essentially implemented the ACA five years before everyone else. My kids go to school with the kids whose mom works at the laundromat folding clothes.

Do you have any experience in the actual real world? Like… Have you traveled at all or do you just parrot right wing talking points without actually experiencing any of these things firsthand? Don’t you ever worry that people are going to call you on your bullshit?

“Leftist elites and politicians” haha! The most depressing thing about your worldview is that I know people who you would consider leftist elites. I know people who worked on public policy under Obama and Bush. These are people who dedicated their lives to the study of health policy for instance... or science policy. They are some of the most moral and unselfish people I know. I would be proud for my children to grow up to be just like them. Anyone should be.

So you live in a rich part of the country, that is probably getting richer, while the poorer parts continue to struggle.

Sounds like Blood Borne is right.

 

[mckmas8808]

Let the record show, that I agreed with Super Mario on something.



Teen pregnancy is actually on the decline, as youth/people are generally having less sex. But the other two, you're on point.



I took a 300mg caffeine pill this morning because *I* forgot that I was 34 instead of 24, and am at work on 4 hours of sleep. I usually just tough it out, but there was no way I was getting through my boring stack of paperwork today without it.

AND
I
FEEL
FANTASTIC!!!!


I can feel the ache in my joints from the lack of sleep, but I'm alert AF!
I feel like I could go outside and pick up my car over my head like the Hulk and toss it into my house from 40 miles away, lol!

And I said to myself, "I CANNOT make a habit of this." I usually don't even drink coffee, let alone drink energy drinks of any kind or take a gas station pill. This is DANGEROUS, as I read like 10 paragraphs of health risks associated with this pill before I ingested it, let alone if I made a habit of consuming them daily like some people do.

I can see how this can become addicting if you suffer from insomnia, sleep apnea, are overworked juggling 3 jobs due to low wages, or just need a general pick-me-up like a low-grade version of Speed (let's be honest here...this *is* legalized crack).

We are under-rested, and heavily medicated, to corroborate what AngularSaxophone said about stress.



It's great to see GAF in AGREEMENT on a topic for a change!

I'm sorry but this post read so funny to me LOLOLOL!!!!! You sound like a Superhero lol. No way that's healthy lol.

 

[Rest]

Also let us not forget that white men have the highest rates by far. Being constantly bombared how bad their race and gender is will not make people happy but rather depressive. Ignoring their problems and even labeling them as racist and sexist when they speak up by a certain group or political ideology is not making this better.

So just let Nazis run wild and free? How about no.

 

[Zog]

So just let Nazis run wild and free? How about no.

Did you just call white men Nazi's?

 

[Ke0]

It's really scary to see people try and argue that white American men have it the worse/are the most oppressed in America.

I expect suicides to increase due to the breakdown of family bonds, social cohesion and loss of jobs due to high immigration and the deconstruction of national and social identity

But unemployment in America is at an all time low...

Every time someone says "loss of national identity" it's always followed with wanting to go back to the 50s and stuff.

 

[Vicetrailia]

They say that women have higher depression rates and attempts than men, but that men are more successful at killing themselves due to using guns more.

Low income white males have the highest numbers, but that groups comparable income/opportunity metrics are higher than pretty much everyone else by far.

So there's a lot going on. Have fun figuring it out.

But I will say that moving from a fairly rich city to a low income 15k town has its stark differences. But at the same time, some things remain the same.

 

[Zog]

It's really scary to see people try and argue that white American men have it the worse/are the most oppressed in America.

Do you think this attitude, downplaying white men's problems, is helping?

 

[oagboghi2]

It's really scary to see people try and argue that white American men have it the worse/are the most oppressed in America.

should we just pretend that depression, suicide, drug use ,etc etc isn't on the the rise in their community. How is that a good thing?

 

[It's Jeff]

Your parents most likely didn't go into debt for shit they didn't need.

They didn't pay monthly to have a iPhone and data they burned through watching world star.
They didn't pay to eat meals out at high frequency.
They made their cup of coffee at home for $10 a week, not $10 a day.
They didn't spend their free time or break time on Facebook.
They didn't put so much time into their social status.
They didn't need a BMW or multiple cars.

The American Dream for many was Middle Class life. Now it's celebrity life or my life sucks.

You're talking about being bombarded with choice 24 hours a day with the constant saturation of comparison of a person's ideal life against your own. Social media doesn't often represent an accurate slice of a person's life, but instead the theatrical, edited versions presenting the highlights like a "best of" episode of reality. Yet somehow, we present this as our existence.

Accepting this reality is part of the reason that we're in the troubled, polarized state of affairs that we're in. As social creatures, we've always succumbed to some kind of showmanship and exaggeration - but this isn't neighborhood anymore. Your frame of comparison was your immediate surrounding. We check the internet from our phones a dozen times an hour and then make desperate attempts to differentiate ourselves through online pissing contests of virtue. When we check back in with the real world, we're disgusted by the humans around us and how they're so indifferent to this cause or so blind to the suffering of these people.

I remember studies published data regarding media coverage of September 11th. We watched it over and over again for weeks and felt growing misery because of the unrelenting stream. In the Twitter age, it's constant. It makes us feel like school shootings are happening in our neighborhoods while every police officer is gunning down every black teenager they see. Our brains aren't meant to handle 24 hours of choice, comparing ourselves against 7 billion others, and misery. I'd wager suicide rates get worse before they get better. We have to learn to compartmentalize our worlds much better than we have.

 

[Ke0]

should we just pretend that depression, suicide, drug use ,etc etc isn't on the the rise in their community. How is that a good thing?

Do you think this attitude, downplaying white men's problems, is helping?

Everyone is in acknowledgement that suicide rates are up, but the idea white American men are the most oppressed group is insane.

 

[Dunki]

Everyone is in acknowledgement that suicide rates are up, but the idea white American men are the most oppressed group is insane.

they are by far the group with the highest suicide rates to call them privileged is insane

 

[llien]

So just let Nazis run wild and free? How about no.

And incels. Jordan Peterson is one of them, I have heard, chuckle...

Seriously, these words have been used as slurs too often to be taken seriously.
What you imply is also shocking, to say the least, majority of white men are "nazis", fucking seriously?

...the idea white American men are the most oppressed group...

Isn't the idea that they are even oppressed at all, also shocking? Just asking.

The thing is, there is no scientific method of measuring "oppression". Having freedom to chose parameters to compare, you could get to surprising results, or rather, any result you want, in fact. White man group is easy: education, incarceration rates, divorce settlements, suicide rates, spending gap, health issues, life expectancy. On all mentioned points white men are behind or far behind white and Asian women and behind Latina/black women on most.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

they are by far the group with the highest suicide rates to call them privileged is insane

That would be the Chinese.

 

[Dunki]

That would be the Chinese.

In America....

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

In America....

 

[Alexander DeLarge]

White fragility. Poor white men.

Fuck you.

 

[VAL0R]

America's been on a downward spiral since 1999, first there was 9/11, then the Iraq war, then the Great Recession and now Trump, it never lets up, it just seems to go on and on.

We live in depressive times, if someone suffers from depression then the times we live in are not good for anyone's mental health.

I wake up every morning happy that Trump is president and Obama is gone. Joyful, in fact. Remember that half the nation voted for him and it isn't a national period of mourning.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

I wake up every morning happy that Trump is president and Obama is gone. Joyful, in fact. Remember that half the nation voted for him and it isn't a national period of mourning.

Regardless of how you feel about Trump personally, we still live in very fraught and chaotic times for this country.

You can debate how much of this is directly Trump's fault, but his presidency has only worsened the increasing polarization and radicalization of both sides of the political spectrum in America.

Defend Trump all you want, that's fine, but there's no denying he's a very divisive figure and that divisiveness has had a bad effect on American culture.