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CFB 2015 Off-season thread: 12 Gauge backfires on Super Mariota, Mario FPS unlikely
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Oh, bullshit.Statement from Art Briles:
timetokill
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A guy in the office at my previous job got me and a friend to join, and we never did anything, no trades, nothing. It was the best when we'd actually win a game against the dudes that were trying, which happened twice lol
timetokill
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The university itself has been going with, "we don't like to pry into our athlete's personal lives" as their defense, so yeah...
ConfusingJazz
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Jesus fucking Christ, Baylor.
Everything about their Athletic Department is total trash.
Everything about their Athletic Department is total trash.
GravityMan
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If Baylor had any integrity, they'd fire Art Briles pronto. That said, this is Baylor we're talking about...one of the most corrupt places in the country, and with a past history of ugly cover-ups. Briles ain't going nowhere.
ConfusingJazz
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Yeah, somehow, this is actually the second worst coverup in Baylor sports history.
Fragamemnon
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I kind of hope Boise and/or Peterson chime in again here. Briles' statement and the released docs are full of blame shifting and scream of being drenched in half-truths.
Dare I ask...
Oh yeah. Damn, Baylor.
Here's a picture for old times sake, CFB-GAF:
I'm sure you'll enjoy it
I mean, I'm going to give it the ol college try, but I doubt I'll place in the Top 3. My only goal is to beat the admin assistant who has an attitude. As long as i finish higher than her, I'll consider it a success.
I'm sure you'll enjoy it
I mean, I'm going to give it the ol college try, but I doubt I'll place in the Top 3. My only goal is to beat the admin assistant who has an attitude. As long as i finish higher than her, I'll consider it a success.
Baylor's statement after the conviction immediately referenced their "caring Christian community."
Also, they have steeples on their parking garages.
Not BYU levels, but yeah very strict when it comes to codes of conduct and such. I had three high school friends who went to Baylor, and them relating experiences to me, it was like walking on egg shells. Fraternity and Sorority parties had to be cleared with the university, and chaperoned by someone associated with the University, and no alcohol. Of course the students would find ways around it, but that was policy, and according to buds they had informants that would go to the parties and report back.
Compared to TCU and SMU, both private Christian schools in the area, Baylor was the extreme. But not BYU levels. But to BYU's credit, they uphold their rules across the institution. They are not super strict with their student population and completely ignorant of their athletes.
Finally, it's now officially football season.
Fragamemnon
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Baylor is a Baptist (specifically Southern Baptist) school, but it is not the Southern Baptist school. It is the biggest but not so huge that it shadows over other Baptist places of learning nor is it ever really seen as some kind of cornerstone institution for the creed. The real focus education-wise with Southern Baptists is the seminaries, for which the largest one was at a time associated with Baylor but hasn't been for a very, very long time.
It's a very different sort of configuration than BYU, where BYU is the school as a significant cultural part of the faith. So much so that BYU students really lord it over the other (largely LDS-attended) public Utah universities. If this kind of thing happened at BYU (terrible sexual assault by a player after the AD dropped the ball on vetting the player) , they would have to deal with it out in the open and use the LDS media machine to hang the player out to dry while protecting the university as much as possible. It would still be a huge scandal with a lot of really bad press for the religion as a whole.
It's a very different sort of configuration than BYU, where BYU is the school as a significant cultural part of the faith. So much so that BYU students really lord it over the other (largely LDS-attended) public Utah universities. If this kind of thing happened at BYU (terrible sexual assault by a player after the AD dropped the ball on vetting the player) , they would have to deal with it out in the open and use the LDS media machine to hang the player out to dry while protecting the university as much as possible. It would still be a huge scandal with a lot of really bad press for the religion as a whole.
Well I disagree with a lot of your comments here, but the dismissal of Baylor in light of this current situation can only benefit Baptists in the long run.
Fragamemnon
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Curious to know which one-I am a pretty old Southern Baptist here, though like others I fell out of the SBC proper in the late 1990s due to the huge impacts the conservative takeover that began years and years before finally started to hit home in a big way. The thrust with respect to the creed's commitment to higher education was always about the seminaries producing leaders and future pastors. Note I am a Baptist from the Deep South, not from Texas, so we may come from different angles here. I don't see the Baptist creed nor the SBC getting a black eye even if this totally gets hit by a meteor in the form of Peterson/Boise proving Baylor's full of it. It's not the SBC is really super popular with the press anyway.
Regarding BYU - you're right about the equal treatment of players and students and I guess one point I would make is that what happened at Baylor I can't ever see happening at BYU. My statement was in the nearly impossible (IMO) case that it would, and in that case the zoobs would always defend the university's overall integrity over that of a coach or individual player.
I'd heard about this before but didn't realize how bad things were at Baylor and how close they came to the death penalty then. Summary here for the curious.
Are you fucking kidding me? Six months? Fucking disgusting.
Ever since my encounters with Baylor ,it's student body, and an interaction with an administrator there when I was in college (not at Baylor) I knew the place was a cesspool of hypocrisy and fuckery but this is ridiculous. You'd think a school that purports to espouse Christian virtues would have some god damn integrity especially after the 2003 Dennehy murder and the resulting fallout.
Good luck with that. There are problems endemic in the culture at the university and unfortunately they aren't going to be changed without a lot of heads rolling inside and outside of the athletic department.
Very. C4Lukins covered it pretty well.
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/art-briles--lie-puts-his-future-at-baylor-in-doubt-203410911.html
On my phone so I can't quote, but...Yeah.
On my phone so I can't quote, but...Yeah.
GoldenEye 007
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Haha fuck Baylor. Makes that win over them even that much better.
Needs to be more than Briles that gets shit-canned.
ConfusingJazz
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Briles should just be where the house cleaning starts.
perfectchaos007
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What can title ix do? I thought their job was to just make sure womens sports and mens sports were equally funded
No, it has requirements mandating investigations into incidents where any student is assaulted, harrassed or otherwise abused based upon their gender. It may cover other protected classes, but definitely gender.
Title IX means equal opportunities in education, so getting her scholarship reduced and forced to drop the classes that the guy was in deprives her of that.
It's why Jameis's accusser is doing a Title IX lawsuit against FSU.
GoldenEye 007
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Title IX deals with a range of gender issues and equality within education. Equal scholarships is just one part of it.
Edit: Seems everyone else covered it.
perfectchaos007
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Okay thanks. If the female student athlete he assaulted transferred because the school was covering up for the male athlete, that should definitely violate title ix. They accommodated him and his classes but not hers when she requested to be in different classes than her rapist. I wonder if she was given actual post trauma counseling, or if she was sent to a quack Baylor councilor who basically said their hands were tied.
tiggerkiddo
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I know about the Dotson thing and now this, is Baylor that bad or are they even worse than this?
To clarify, doesn't matter that she's an athlete. Just a student.
ConfusingJazz
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What do you mean? How can it be worse than covering up murders and rapes?
GoldenEye 007
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Well a rape and a murder. That's about as bad as it gets.
I guess the trifecta would be if Baylor had a Penn St style children's charity going on...
Right, I'm pretty sure Jameis Winston's accuser wasn't an athlete.
Baylor's doubly fucked in that the burden of proof is lower in a Title IX investigation vs a criminal case, the criminal case found him guilty while their investigation exonerated him.
edit.
The baylor alum judge giving him 180 days after the jury recommended 8 years is not helping Baylor in the pr battle at all.
tiggerkiddo
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Oh I meant how long has this scummy behavior been going on down there in Waco?
ConfusingJazz
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There are a couple problems with Baylor.
It's a private institution, so it has minimal governmental oversight.
It's also in a small town, and the university dominates the rest of the city and the county. It has a lot of sway over the power in the area.
It's also weird because it's very religious. I mean, it's a step down from BYU, but as a regular student, you aren't supposed to be doing anything sinful.
Purple Cheeto
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BYU covers up football rapes all the time sadly.
In a league I've played in for like a decade, 2 years ago a guy who never logged in after his initial log in won the entire thing. Fantasy football is dumb.
BYU has a history of covering up Football rape, or at least being incredibly lax at punishing people for it. Unless I'm misremembering and it was just a shitty Utah jury.
Also in less sad news, Ricky Towns transferred to Arkansas.
If he didn't want to throw the ball he could've remained at USC.
Fragamemnon
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Yeah, I found this. They did drum out the head coach and didn't try to sugar coat it, which ofc they couldn't because the violence was barbaric.
Not really just the power of college football. The power of getting a scholarship at BYU to most people in Utah.
sf2fanatic
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I see we're off to a great start with OL coach out first two games violating rules. SMH Mora. Come on man!!
timetokill
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I was really hoping that'd happen in my case. I still laughed when I won a game. Guys kept sending me trade requests that I never knew about because I didn't log in and I used a burner email to sign up.
unknownstranger
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There's no way he stays at Baylor. At best he'll get a coaching gig at a small college with no standards, and in 5 years maybe a larger school will take another look at him.
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