Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

12Goblins said:
The issue is everytime there is a shooting where innocent kids are mowed down completely senselessly, people like Charlie Kirk is in the headlines saying stupid shit like "Sorry but this is the cost of being able to bear our God given AR15s". So yeah, when you have to deal with the callous shit people are saying while entire communities are being destroyed, or saying it's fake news or a government psyop to take ur guns away, incensed people feel some karmic justice that they are now being forced to face the problem they've "created". obviously it's much more complicated than that, but that's how they see it
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Taken out of context and disingenuous. Again. Here's what he said:

"You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death," Kirk said at a Turning Point USA Faith event on Wednesday, as reported by Media Matters for America. "That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am—I think it's worth it.

"I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."

He added that "having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty." Other solutions he mentioned included armed guards at school buildings, as well as "having more fathers in the home."
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He then went on to compare it to the freedom of driving cars. If we surrendered that freedom, we'd save a significant number of lives too:

"Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty," he said. "Driving comes with a price—50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That's a price. You get rid of driving, you'd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving—speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road.

"So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one."
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Sybrix said:
Social media won't get better, it's a disease that should be eliminated.

Having said that this assassination cannot be put on social media as a whole, 1960s America had a number of high profile assassinations, JFK, MLK, Malcolm X, RFK Jr etc.

I'd argue that currently the political situation is as unstable as it was in the 1960s.
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Those assassinations were of major political figures though, people with significant influence. I'm not condoning it, but there was at least some sense to those assassinations, from the points of view of the perpetrators.

This though? He's been killed for his opinions, which no matter how popular he was, weren't going to change the world in any meaningful way. And as far as I know he hasn't actually said anything THAT earth-shattering, but public discourse being the way it is has led to this. And people are celebrating it.

It's just weird. People have always done mad things, and fought each other. But there's a callousness to the present day which is hard to understand.
 
M1chl said:
Wish I didn't see the video, that was absolutely horrifying.
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I saw a video some years back by accident of an up close beheading in HD and it shook me bad, and I've seen and read some shit from years of researching true crime, but I was legit shook after that and I said after that I will not watch these videos again, it's not worth it. I don't want images of death stuck in my head. I'm exposed to enough awfulness from studying true crime all these years, that's my fill of violence to my eyeballs.
 
Damn. Didn't agree with any of his takes on gun laws, but no one deserves to go out like that in front of their wife and kids. RIP. What a sad state America is in.

Politic wars.

Race wars.

Gender wars.

Culture wars.

Left vs Right.

all so fucking trivial.

Accept the differences we have and embrace them.

RIP
 
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Just a reminder to tell your family and friends you love them and never take for granted the good times spent with them. You never know when some nut will decide to take life away.
 
12Goblins said:
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If this doesn't sum up our current world in so many ways...i don't know what does.
 
Heimdall_Xtreme said:
I've already changed it. Don't get mad.
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You seem insensitive when it comes to things that happen in the U.S. I'm just saying, man... you always come off this way to me, when some shit goes down here.
Not to worry, though... I see the same shit in comment sections everywhere. Not just that, but always crying about shit and never offering any kind of solution or any kind of way or path to any kind of truth. Fuck my species.
 
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Utah authorities have said very recently the suspect is still at large, so the FBI and Utah law enforcement need to get on the same page.
 
Gexxy1 said:
Taken out of context and disingenuous. Again. Here's what he said:



He then went on to compare it to the freedom of driving cars. If we surrendered that freedom, we'd save a significant number of lives too:
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Simply put, borrowing from a Frank Turner song: a man who'd trade his liberty for a safe and dreamless sleep, doesn't deserve the both of them, and neither shall he keep
 
Generally, on the right, you do see some nutjobs celebrate if a leftist famous person die, but on the left, its hundreds of thousands celebrating it. reddit in and bluesky is fucking insane right now, a massive amount of people is celebrating.

They want politicians to die and are ok with it.
 
Yoboman said:
Literally had a hit list of democrats.
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Wouldn't surprise me at all, assuming it's true. The rest reads like bad fan fiction.

She was killed literally like 5 days after being the only Democrat to break ranks and vote with Republicans to end free healthcare for illegal immigrants. You don't need the help of leftist propaganda to successfully join those dots.
 
Liljagare said:
I just don't get it, there have been 3 school shootings in the last week, nobody cared enough about that to make threads?

It's, honestly kinda disturbing.
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You have the ability to make threads.
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I asked my libertarian buddy just last weekend something. "When the mob is going door to door on your street, and you're hiding in the basement with your kids, will you whisper: at least we didn't use authoritarian means to prevent this" I wonder if our talk would go differently after this.
 
Filthy Casual said:
Those assassinations were of major political figures though, people with significant influence. I'm not condoning it, but there was at least some sense to those assassinations, from the points of view of the perpetrators.

This though? He's been killed for his opinions, which no matter how popular he was, weren't going to change the world in any meaningful way. And as far as I know he hasn't actually said anything THAT earth-shattering, but public discourse being the way it is has led to this. And people are celebrating it.

It's just weird. People have always done mad things, and fought each other. But there's a callousness to the present day which is hard to understand.
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Charlie Kirk was a MAJOR political figure and had significant influence. While it's hard to keep track nowadays as culture is so fragmented, we're not talking about some random unknown conservative influencer. He ran one of the most influential conservative political groups in the country.
 
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Dirk Benedict said:
You seem insensitive when it comes to things that happen in the U.S. I'm just saying, man... you always come off this way to me, when some shit goes down here.
Not to worry, though... I see the same shit in comment sections everywhere. Not just that, but always crying about shit and never offering any kind of solution or any kind of way or path to any kind of truth. Fuck my species.
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I've already changed it.
 
DragoonKain said:
Utah authorities have said very recently the suspect is still at large, so the FBI and Utah law enforcement need to get on the same page.
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That's insane if the director of the FBI is saying the killer is in custody, but he's actually still at large...
 
Dirk Benedict said:
You seem insensitive when it comes to things that happen in the U.S. I'm just saying, man... you always come off this way to me, when some shit goes down here.
Not to worry, though... I see the same shit in comment sections everywhere. Not just that, but always crying about shit and never offering any kind of solution or any kind of way or path to any kind of truth. Fuck my species.
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Thanati said:
That's not what I said.

I just wanted to confirm that this was the same guy who advocated a few people being killed as long as the 2nd amendment was safe.
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Don't be obtuse. Freedoms have been paid for in blood for all of humanity. If Kirk believes this, as I do, then I too would gladly give my life so others may live freely.
 
Kirk just wanted to bridge the gap between the sides with open dialogue, not start a civil war. Hopefully that'll be possible some day. I have no idea where America will go from here though.
 
The conspiracy theories are already popping up online. I don't know if it's ok to post them or not. Basically the assassination had ulterior motives.
 
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Ah yes kill the person that was debating.
That will convince people the other side was right.

What a fucked up thing, dude was killed.
Poor family wife and kids.
 
I Just went to check the purple asylum (reseter**) and they are really vile, hateful and resenful people. Tha amount of hate that people have in their hearts is insane
 
Maiden Voyage said:
Don't be obtuse. Freedoms have been paid for in blood for all of humanity. If Kirk believes this, as I do, then I too would gladly give my life so others may live freely.
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Well, that's a load of nonsense right there.

Why is it that only in America our "freedom"is defended in violence?
 
Liljagare said:
I just don't get it, there have been 3 school shootings in the last week, nobody cared enough about that to make threads?

It's, honestly kinda disturbing.
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I think the forum discourages sharing negative news, especially news and stories that will cultivate political debate. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND this thread is definitely political and yes, it is negative news. I think it, and the thread about the Ukrainian girl murdered on the subway are allowed because they are viewed as examples of our situation (our culture, our country) simply getting worse, problems are escalating. These are watershed moments. I understand that may come across as insensitive to stories about school shootings. I think this board is trying to reign in political conversation but sometimes a moment is too big to not allow discussion to occur. Maybe that comes across as a bad way to approach things, but what is the alternative? We see the alternative in other places and it isn't great.
 
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Maiden Voyage said:
You don't know anything about history, do you?
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As someone who grew up in the UK and witnessed car bombs being blown up by the IRA and caught up in the bombing in Manchester, I do have a kind of first hand understanding of it. You have what, exactly?

I'm just interested in knowing how little children being killed justifies your quote.
 
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