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[DrFigs]

And there it is. Re on watch.

There is a 99% chance that the kid was a devout mormon. He was convinced to turn himself in after speaking with his pastor. the odds that he had a transgender girlfriend that he *lived with* is highly unlikely. But i guess we'll see.

 

[Scrawnton]

Surely when this turns out to be fake, you will reverse course when it comes to attributing violence to trans people and you will start being more discerning about where you get your information--Because who wants to be misinformed or deluded, right?

You really got me with this. The constant tug of war for why the shooter did it and what their ideology was is like spinning tires. We ALL know what their ideology was based on everything we've seen.

 

[ProtoByte]

No.

See, this is where it gets messy.
A few things to point out there: Mark Dice, is, imo, actually far right. There's enough plausible deniability where he skirts around it to dodge the label, especially if you don't waste your time keeping up with everything he says, but he plays enough footsie with extremists to make difficult to deny what he is and what he's trying to engender.

As for Fuentes, he's a supremely more charismatic and convincing orator than practically anyone else with his views. That said, he is a self-avowed political extremist in all of those -ists and -isms that the left liberally throws around. Similar to Fuentes, the left wing political elite (save for the most craziest nutjobs who have been unrepentant in their extremism and tacit support/lack of condemnation for violent extremists for years now) has disavowed violence altogether. Out of some mouths, such as Zohran Mamdani's, it is not taken genuinely.

Likewise should not be taken as slate-cleaning from the likes of Fuentes. He can give this statement, but he also says the following:



This is no different from "trans genocide" rhetoric and other left wing permutations. If you proclaim the stakes are existential, you're creating a permission structure that eventually ratifies violence. Fuentes is smarter than his followers, but that base alongside others constantly edges around fedposting with adages like "you're not going to vote your way out of this" or "Weimar problems call for Weimar solutions" to zero reprimanding.

And there are already people like Matt Walsh working up the lather to invite him and others into "mainstream" conservatism/right wing politics.



I don't think Fuentes is "literally Hitler", but I will not stand for the cleaning of his persona without pointing out reality.

Now they are attacking the wife, they are never satisfied.

What. The. Fuck..

So Chamberlain has since deleted the post for the following reason:



Good on him for doing it, and he's rigorous in further replies, but why he picked up this nobody account on Bluesky, which he undoubtedly doesn't use, with a post with zero likes and zero reposts is bizarre - unless you count for emotional reflex on his part, or the emotional reflex or intent to trigger it by whoever may have sent it his way.

Again, his boss has already done a good amount of this "no enemies to right" shtick that circulating ragebait and undoubtedly bot boosted agitprop/genuinely awful comments seeks to legitimize, and it hasn't taken long for it to bite him:



Do take a look at the replies. Fuentes' in particular.

 

[Vestal]

She's a reporter so this isn't without merit. It's blowing up fast so her reputation is on the line if she gets it wrong.

I mean we have the Guardian walking back the interview with the classmate yesterday regarding his political affiliation.


This whole thing is a fucking trainwreck.

 

[FoxMcChief]

You really got me with this. The constant tug of war for why the shooter did it and what their ideology was is like spinning tires. We ALL know what their ideology was based on everything we've seen.

That's why we shouldn't jump to conclusions. It very well could be a trans dude or whatever, but it's smarter to know than assume.

 

[Scrawnton]

That's why we shouldn't jump to conclusions. It very well could be a trans dude or whatever, but it's smarter to know than assume.

There's jumping to conclusions and there's listening to what reporters are saying. Could they be lying? Yea. But evidence is evidence. If they're wrong, oh well. It doesn't change much. The far left already took the mask off. I've voted blue my entire left and I will never vote blue again until these lunatics are shunned from the party.

For the record I'm not calling transgender people lunatics. I'm calling the grave dancers lunatics.

 

[FoxMcChief]

There's jumping to conclusions and there's listening to what reporters are saying. Could they be lying? Yea. But evidence is evidence. If they're wrong, oh well. It doesn't change much. The far left already took the mask off. I've voted blue my entire left and I will never vote blue again until these lunatics are shunned from the party.

 

[DrFigs]

The guardian thing is totally fair. Same w/ the governor saying he was indoctrinated by the left. these are valid sources. but then we also have to admit when they walk things back, or say things that don't seem to match up with the evidence.

I also don't like to pretend like people weren't blaming the left the second the shooting happened, before we knew anything! it was absurd.

 

[Scrawnton]

Are you ignoring the rest of my post where I said the far left already showed their ass and that's why it won't change much if this report is false?

 

[MidGenRefresh]

A decent summary of what is known about the killer so far:

 

[Trunx81]

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson lived with transgender partner: source

That individual, who has yet to be identified by the authorities, is now fully cooperating with the FBI on its investigation into the fatal shooting of the conservative activist, the source added.

nypost.com

Source

 

[Bass260]

FYI I agree that you should be suspect of what you see online - as every person wants their viewpoint to stick and shape the narrative.

We're all waiting for the FBI to come out and give us more information.

In the mean time we're desperate for anything.

 

[Kacho]

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson lived with transgender partner: source

That individual, who has yet to be identified by the authorities, is now fully cooperating with the FBI on its investigation into the fatal shooting of the conservative activist, the source added.

nypost.com

Source

That's just an article based on what Brooke said

 

[FoxMcChief]

Are you ignoring the rest of my post where I said the far left already showed their ass and that's why it won't change much if this report is false?

Just kind of saddened that it seems like nothing will change your mind. Kind of like an extremists mind can't be changed.

 

[Boo Who?]

Did Obama force Trump to make up nonsensical bullshit about a birth certificate? I don't think so. Then again....it worked, so those lies were rewarded.

There's been so many tangents brought up in this thread, because the topic itself has a lot of vectors pointing in all directions.

Did Trump force Obama and his administration for making up nonsensical bullshit about Russian collusion?

It goes both ways. Both sides are not good. The sooner that people realize that, the better off we will be.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson lived with transgender partner: source

That individual, who has yet to be identified by the authorities, is now fully cooperating with the FBI on its investigation into the fatal shooting of the conservative activist, the source added.

nypost.com

Source

Not the true source. Media just reporting on other media.

 

[Antwix]

So when he engraved the casing with "If you read this, you're gay", he was the first one who saw it. So he's in fact gay.

 

[Scrawnton]

Just kind of saddened that it seems like nothing will change your mind. Kind of like an extremists mind can't be changed.

Just kind of saddened that it seems like you refuse to read my posts where I say I've been a life long democrat voter and I want the far left grave dancers shunned from the party because it's not what we should strive for as a society.

 

[cormack12]

That's just an article based on what Brooke said

I don't think it is - the below indicates direct communication to the post from their own law source? So thats the Post and FN with separate confirmations.

Charlie Kirk's alleged shooter Tyler Robinson was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from a male to a female, a law enforcement source confirmed to The Post Saturday.

It just mentions it was first reported by Brookes

 

[Elog]

Did Trump force Obama and his administration for making up nonsensical bullshit about Russian collusion?

It goes both ways. Both sides are not good. The sooner that people realize that, the better off we will be.

The gameification of politics in the US is really fucking you guys up. There are tendencies in other countries but it is not even close to how messed up it is in the states. There are hardly any grown up voices that are heard in the public US discourse and media is a failure in amplifying this disease.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Just kind of saddened that it seems like you refuse to read my posts where I say I've been a life long democrat voter and I want the far left grave dancers shunned from the party because it's not what we should strive for as a society.

I was a lifelong democrat as well. That changed maybe 5 years ago. I'm in the center and see too much hate coming from both directions that the thought of identifying with either party makes me sick.

 

[natjjohn]

This thread is interesting and I think shows the more online/twitter/social media folks are, end up more disconnected.

Essentially, Twitter/social media not representative of the real world. Think saw noted, most of Twitter, etc. are just bots. There to manipulate and it works.

Also from this thread, you'd walk away thinking extremist related killings in America is soaring. It's actually been on the decline. Makes me think of how folks think areas are crime ridden compared to the past but actually crime is going down. Again, political/media/social media manipulation for the benefit of someone else.

As far what "side" is behind the killings. From 2015-2024, 76% of domestic extremist related killings have been from right wing extremists. Four percent left wing extremists. Islamist extremist is 18%. (https://www.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2024)

Again though, even with this data, have to remember the vast majority of people on a political spectrum arent killing anybody nor planning to or trying to get others to kill.

I'd recommend a lot of folks in here disconnect from social media, rage baiting, and spend some time in your community or play some video games.

 

[Mr Moose]

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson lived with transgender partner: source

That individual, who has yet to be identified by the authorities, is now fully cooperating with the FBI on its investigation into the fatal shooting of the conservative activist, the source added.

nypost.com

Source

His Uni roommate, the one that shared messages with the FBI.

 

[Kacho]

I don't think it is - the below indicates direct communication to the post from their own law source?

Charlie Kirk's alleged shooter Tyler Robinson was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from a male to a female, a law enforcement source confirmed to The Post Saturday.

It just mentions it was first reported by Brookes

Good catch.

 

[Fbh]

So when he engraved the casing with "If you read this, you're gay", he was the first one who saw it. So he's in fact gay.

Watch out, people will see your post and tweet out they have been told by "sources" that there's undeniable proof the shooter was a gay left wing extremist.

 

[Boo Who?]

The gameification of politics in the US is really fucking you guys up. There are tendencies in other countries but it is not even close to how messed up it is in the states. There are hardly any grown up voices that are heard in the public US discourse and media is a failure in amplifying this disease.

Exactly. That's why I keep telling people that both sides do awful shit. It's not exclusive to one or the other. There are people actually trying to do good, but they have to fight an awful corrupt machine that makes it almost impossible. The America you think you live in, died after WW2. I don't know if we can get it back without burning the whole thing down and starting over.

 

[adamsapple]

His Uni roommate, the one that shared messages with the FBI.

The messages were also posted *after* the shooting per a linked article in the above, so the notion that he shared his plans with the room-mate are also inaccurate.

But Discord is disputing the information that the officials were pushing out Friday, claiming its investigation showed while Robinson had a Discord account, there's "no evidence that the suspect planned this incident or promoted violence on Discord," according to reports.

"The messages referenced in recent reporting about planning details do not appear to be Discord messages," the company said. "These were communications between the suspect's roommate and a friend after the shooting, where the roommate was recounting the contents of a note the suspect had left elsewhere.

Also

helped the feds nab the accused assassin.

His dad drove him to the police station, why do these places keep giving 'the feds' credit they don't deserve?

 

[Scrawnton]

I was a lifelong democrat as well. That changed maybe 5 years ago. I'm in the center and see too much hate coming from both directions that the thought of identifying with either party makes me sick.

That's a very mature take that I appreciate.

 

[12Goblins]

Just kind of saddened that it seems like you refuse to read my posts where I say I've been a life long democrat voter and I want the far left grave dancers shunned from the party because it's not what we should strive for as a society.

I feel like all conservatives have to do is is stop their crusade of persecuting trans people for their identity and all this eventually comes to an end. Trans people aren't the violent demographic that conservatives want you to think--In fact, they are disproportionally non-violent compared to other groups. Just leave them alone, it's not that hard

 

[12Goblins]

Are you ignoring the rest of my post where I said the far left already showed their ass and that's why it won't change much if this report is false?

In other words, you are set in your beliefs and new information won't change your mind. OK.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I feel like all conservatives have to do is is stop their crusade of persecuting trans people for their identity and all this eventually comes to an end. Trans people aren't the violent demographic that conservatives want you to think--In fact, they are disproportionally non-violent compared to other groups. Just leave them alone, it's not that hard

Literally nobody cared about "trans people" until they came for the children.

 

[Yoda]

As a former Democrat myself (back during the Obama years), it's surreal watching the left's reaction to the assassination online. I'm convinced we'll continue seeing political violence. While I expect it from both sides, I expect it more of it to come from the left.

 

[AJUMP23]

I feel like all conservatives have to do is is stop their crusade of persecuting trans people for their identity and all this eventually comes to an end. Trans people aren't the violent demographic that conservatives want you to think--In fact, they are disproportionally non-violent compared to other groups. Just leave them alone, it's not that hard

Telling someone they are not what they think they are is not persecution. You can pretend to be a woman all you want. Doesn't make you one. Doesn't mean you get to use a woman's restroom. I am not required to submit to your delusion. In no other area where someone believes they are something they are not are people expected to go along and give into the fantasy.

 

[Antwix]

Literally nobody cared about "trans people" until they came for the children.

and started ruining gaming

 

[Scrawnton]

I feel like all conservatives have to do is is stop their crusade of persecuting trans people for their identity and all this eventually comes to an end. Trans people aren't the violent demographic that conservatives want you to think--In fact, they are disproportionally non-violent compared to other groups. Just leave them alone, it's not that hard

I'm not a conservative but they drew their line at not forcing the ideology upon kids, leaving the conversation out of schools (which is fair considering a lot of states even ban sex ed from schools and leave it to the parents) and have age restrictions on care. They don't care that the ideology exists but they don't want the ideology forced on young children in a permanent (medical) way. Which is an extremely reasonable nonviolent take. But when people on the far left hear this they scream "trans genocide." But of course like every fringe group there are those that want to see certain people harmed. But when people grave dance the death of Charlie Kirk I see no difference between far right and far left fringe groups.

 

[12Goblins]

 

[p_xavier]

So the shooter was a MAGA supporter? Can someone explain?

This thread is interesting and I think shows the more online/twitter/social media folks are, end up more disconnected.

Essentially, Twitter/social media not representative of the real world. Think saw noted, most of Twitter, etc. are just bots. There to manipulate and it works.

Also from this thread, you'd walk away thinking extremist related killings in America is soaring. It's actually been on the decline. Makes me think of how folks think areas are crime ridden compared to the past but actually crime is going down. Again, political/media/social media manipulation for the benefit of someone else.

As far what "side" is behind the killings. From 2015-2024, 76% of domestic extremist related killings have been from right wing extremists. Four percent left wing extremists. Islamist extremist is 18%. (https://www.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2024)

Again though, even with this data, have to remember the vast majority of people on a political spectrum arent killing anybody nor planning to or trying to get others to kill.

I'd recommend a lot of folks in here disconnect from social media, rage baiting, and spend some time in your community or play some video games.

ADL is known to falsify data to push their narrative.

 

[Punished Miku]

Bill Maher 3 weeks ago.

Bill Maher Revives Prediction Of ‘Slow-Moving Coup’ Amid Trump’s DC Takeover

The "Real Time" host went through an ominous checklist Friday chronicling the president's recent steps.

www.yahoo.com

Remember when Trump's ex wife claimed he kept a copy of Mein Komph by his bedside? Remember when an AI trained by Musk (Trump's largest donor) using right wing news sources to shape his views so he wouldn't be biased said to call him Mecha-Hitler? Remember when the vice president tweeted out Trump 2028 joke hats? Remember when Trump said that maybe the people want a dictator like 2 months ago?

One of the biggest thing we can do to honor the holocaust is to preserve our rights to call someone Hitler if they feel like they have many of the same traits. Its kind of a big deal to call that out before they fully topple the government and solidify a dictatorship. Its saying never again. Call out the warning signs because Hitler is the worst thing that can happen. Its not diminishing anything. Imagine thinking there are warning signs but not being able to say it because people thought it was rude. That whole free speech thing sure vanished quickly.

 

[cormack12]

Starting to spread, have to wait until one of the big boys verifies it now as twitter will light up

 

[Mr Moose]

The messages were also posted *after* the shooting per a linked article in the above, so the notion that he shared his plans with the room-mate are also inaccurate.



Also



His dad drove him to the police station, why do these places keep giving 'the feds' credit they don't deserve?

I'm not sure where the Discord part comes from (apart from NYPost) I checked two other news things and they just mention messages not Discord.

Cox said Robinson's roommate had shown investigators online messages he sent that stated "a need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in a bush, messages related to visually watching the area where a rifle was left, and a message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel".

Other messages also referred to "engraving bullets and a mention of a scope, and the rifle being unique" and that "he had changed outfits" after the shooting.

He went on to say that messages from Tyler Robinson seen by his roommate revealed details about the alleged plot.

"The content of these messages included messages affiliated with the contact 'Tyler' stating a need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in a bush, messages related to visually watching the area where a rifle was left, and a message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel," he said.

Which I think is from the conference they held.

 

[Clear]

The motivation of the assassin is a sideshow. The (social) media reaction is the real story here.

At this point even if was proven beyond any reasonable doubt that the killing was an accelerationist false-flag it still would not absolve the callousness and inhumanity of the reactions from some people.

Its a bell that cannot be un-rung because that response *was* inarguably organic and authentic. And it should terrify anyone not on the fringes.

Plain fact is that cheerleading political violence is worse than racism because it impacts everyone irrespective of immutable characteristics. If you happen to disagree, then you are a valid target. A fact underlined by Charlie Kirk actually not holding political office or wielding any sort of legislative power.

You sanction this sort of action, you are co-signing tyranny.

And sadly, it appears that a lot of people do hold this belief.

 

[Vestal]

Starting to spread, have to wait until one of the big boys verifies it now as twitter will light up

They are literally just looking for an excuse to POINT and attack. I bet that Nancy Mace is froothing at the mouth again.

Its sad and pathetic.

 

[Barrier Island Dweller]

Does this make anyone else a bit nervous? I won't deny there is some schadenfreude on seeing the leftists tactics used against them and I know for a fact they viewed the right's (up until this point) unwillingness to use the same tactics as a weakness, but the slope is getting very slippery now.

No, mostly because if you're a normal human being you didn't make an ass out of yourself on your social media page. Normal reactions to assassination isn't being joyful and gleeful. Those people could for example….be school teachers. I wouldn't want a unstable person like that teaching my kids

"but he is a Nazi like hitler"

Just because a man wearing a wig and mascara told you that doesn't make it true.

 

[12Goblins]

Telling someone they are not what they think they are is not persecution. You can pretend to be a woman all you want. Doesn't make you one. Doesn't mean you get to use a woman's restroom. I am not required to submit to your delusion. In no other area where someone believes they are something they are not are people expected to go along and give into the fantasy.

Brother you've probably never even seen a trans woman in your life. Probably noone in your family will ever see a trans woman use the restroom until the day you die. Yet 99% of conservative Twitter is about how Trans people are ruining everything. These people are not the problem you think they are--they make up less than 1% of the population, and half of them are very high risk for suicide. It's not fair or proportional.

Liberals feel bad for them. Body dysmorphia/dysphoria is a curse. Some are assholes, just like everybody else. You have to be more forgiving.

Also nobody thinks trans women = women. Trans women are just that, trans women. They just don't like it when you call them a "man". The key here is not to be a hateful person

 

[Mr Moose]

Also nobody thinks trans women = women. Trans women are just that, trans women.

 

[mileslongthe3rd]

They are literally just looking for an excuse to POINT and attack. I bet that Nancy Mace is froothing at the mouth again.

Its sad and pathetic.

Meanwhile, Nick Fuentes went on full damage control mode.

 

[Vestal]

The motivation of the assassin is a sideshow. The (social) media reaction is the real story here.

At this point even if was proven beyond any reasonable doubt that the killing was an accelerationist false-flag it still would not absolve the callousness and inhumanity of the reactions from some people.

Its a bell that cannot be un-rung because that response *was* inarguably organic and authentic. And it should terrify anyone not on the fringes.

Plain fact is that cheerleading political violence is worse than racism because it impacts everyone irrespective of immutable characteristics. If you happen to disagree, then you are a valid target. A fact underlined by Charlie Kirk actually not holding political office or wielding any sort of legislative power.

You sanction this sort of action, you are co-signing tyranny.

And sadly, it appears that a lot of people do hold this belief.

You know. Same thing happened on January 6th. Also with the Hammer attack. Same thing happened when there was a plot against Whitmore. Same thing with Butler, with Shapiro, with Minesota... The list goes on.. Thats just political violence, if we include Mass shootings in general.... Oh boy.

Go back in the time machine and look at the reaction from both sides in real time. In both instances there is the search to point and finger the other side for the bad that happened. To USE any fucking tragedy to score some sort of political point. Then the other side either downplaying it, or supporting said attack.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

The gameification of politics in the US is really fucking you guys up. There are tendencies in other countries but it is not even close to how messed up it is in the states. There are hardly any grown up voices that are heard in the public US discourse and media is a failure in amplifying this disease.

US politics has become a zero-sum game. There is no moderation, just elation when your side wins and seething hatred when it looses.

 

[Kacho]

I didn't get the memo either.

 

[cormack12]

I dunno GAF, with this latest accusation does anyone think Darkmakaimura is Tyler? This has heavy crossover lore with the room mate