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[paolo11]

I bet the reason they opened it backup was because their traffic probably took a nosedive. We've got more traffic than era rn.
EL + Staff seem to be betting on whether or not we can keep discourse without scorched earth rhetoric and devolving into political baboons.

We are making good discussions to begin with so I'm glad traffic is consistent here.

 

[paolo11]

He's protected by twitch because they support his views. I have seen some of his clips on livestream fails. Even Redditors want him banned

Not surprised. I remember Twitch banning Melonie Mac because of her faith in Jesus and doing Bible study. Since Hasan is spokesperson of the left and makes money for Twitch , they will protect him

 

[Mistake]

I have mixed feelings on doxxing the hateful people, but I suppose they're being productive at least. And yeah, if I had a coworker saying that kind of stuff, I'd be worried about my safety

 

[EviLore]

EL + Staff seem to be betting on whether or not we can keep discourse without scorched earth rhetoric and devolving into political baboons.

It's not for traffic reasons. I just looked at elsewhere on the internet, social media etc., and people are not able to act like civilized adults, so I wanted to talk about the news among my community. Mostly it was the Iryna Zarutska murder though. The Charlie Kirk assassination happened to lead in directly from that. A grim week.

 

[paolo11]

It's not for traffic reasons. I just looked at elsewhere on the internet, social media etc., and people are not able to act like civilized adults, so I wanted to talk about the news among my community. Mostly it was the Iryna Zarutska murder though. The Charlie Kirk assassination happened to lead in directly from that. A grim week.

Facts. This week and last are dark times but for some (not in this website ) , they are jeering of one man's passing.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

 

[Woggleman]

In an ideal world I would not support doxxing but it is clear some people don't want reasonable debate so they deserve to get a taste of their own medicine.

People really have no idea how much this has galvanized people.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

This is sort of true, but not as much anymore than what it used to be.

We have a gang violence problem now involving guns, and we even had a 12-year-old kid shoot his schoolmates with a gun at school not too long ago.

Sure, it's not even close as bad as in the US, or how bad it is in Sweden these days, but it has become worse.

What happened? Why it became worse?

 

[CGNoire]

How does someone with 109 followers get such a viral reaction to their tweet? How does it get boosted enough to enter the algorithm?

You know the answer.

 

[CGNoire]

We're talking about bots and algorithms on Twitter. Musk has more influence than they do.

No he doesnt. Bot driven posts on x very often get multiple time more likes than his posts do.

 

[EviLore]

Real bestie stuff back in the day there.

 

[T-0800]

A line was crossed this week. If you can't see it, you should get your eyes checked.

It wasn't crossed by 50% of the US so lets not go crazy. The 20% on the far side of each end of politics need dealing with. Most people are normal. Let's not lose sight of that.

 

[paolo11]

In an ideal world I would not support doxxing but it is clear some people don't want reasonable debate so they deserve to get a taste of their own medicine.

People really have no idea how much this has galvanized people.

No one wants doxxing but if they do get doxxed by angry citizens due to celebrating someone's death (which by the way is not a bad person but a man of faith who loves USA), they shouldn't be surprised.
I'm not saying they should like they guy but if they are happy in his demise, they should keep it to themselves

 

[paolo11]

It wasn't crossed by 50% of the US so let's not go crazy. The 20% on the far side of each end of politics need dealing with. Most people are normal. Let's not lose sight of that.

There are normal people yes but those normal people may switch sides after seeing their team jeering in an evil way.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

I don't feel bad for any of these people. It's fine to chalk it up to "another gun death" or whatever you want to label it as, but to go out of your way to let everyone know you don't care about him, specifically, or celebrate it... Takes a special kind of deranged that should probably belong in a psych ward.

The creators have said they are not manually reviewing any of the submissions. There are going to be a lot of people added to this list for no reason except people pursuing personal vendettas or just straight up trolling.

 

[poppabk]

Most idiotic "gotcha" to come out of this yet. Did cancel culture just become bad in the last few days or something? Seems like the real hypocrites are the folks who were perfectly fine with the tool being used until it started being used on them.

This was my view over a decade ago (when Neogaf looked a lot different politically) in the getting racists fired thread and I still stand by it. You really think some small business is gonna stand by their employee who got unfairly added to this list when their online reviews are all "* - they are murderers", and they can't get in touch with their customers because their email is full of angry missives and their phone is ringing off the hook.

 

[Icymanipulator]

It's one thing to "share an opinion" it's an entirely different thing to gleefully cackle and laugh and take joy in someone's public murder.
I have zero sympathy for the people being fired.

Just imagine being a school teacher celebrating a school shooting. SMH. These people are sick.

There are also tons of lies about Charlie, claiming he was racist, hated gays, ect. None of it is true.





I could post dozens more as well. Charlie was a moderate right person. He wasn't "extreme" at all.

 

[ProtoByte]

A line was crossed this week. If you can't see it, you should get your eyes checked.

The left said the same things on January 6, Charlottesville, the Charleston church mass shooting/killing and the Christchurch massacre.

You see how the Left ties itself with Islamists, even though Islam is basically 180 from everything liberals are supposed to believe.

Interesting note here: The furthest excesses of the right also simp for radical Islamism. Horseshoe theory goes crazy.

 

[Icymanipulator]

The left said the same things on January 6, Charlottesville, the Charleston church mass shooting/killing and the Christchurch massacre.


Interesting note here: The furthest excesses of the right also simp for radical Islamism. Horseshoe theory goes crazy.

A line was crossed.

Someone put it really good on twitter , and I'm paraphrasing here but- it's not the same as a assassination or murder of a political leader or someone else far removed, Charlie made his career largely on YouTube, sitting down and talking with people. It made him more of an "Everyman". A mic and a chair and a debate. Something literally anyone, including YOU could go out and start doing tomorrow.

 

[laynelane]

Canadians don't want freedom, they want free shit. They are a bunch of slaves funding their own destruction. Very sad to see. It should be renamed New New Delhi.

Every time I think massive generalizations can't become any bigger - along comes another one. Yet another smarmy internet 'expert' who, in this case, thinks they know what an entire country wants. Nice touches with the "slaves" and "New New Delhi" bits. Very classy.

 

[ProtoByte]

A line was crossed.

Someone put it really good on twitter , and I'm paraphrasing here but- it's not the same as a assassination or murder of a political leader or someone else far removed, Charlie made his career largely on YouTube, sitting down and talking with people. It made him more of an "Everyman". A mic and a chair and a debate. Something literally anyone, including YOU could go out and start doing tomorrow.

This is not the reality about Kirk. He was a very influential political functionary of sorts. The campus debates and podcast/show were integral to his persona, yes; but he founded and ran an organization that raised hundreds of millions of campaign dollars. If it wasn't for him, it is unlikely Trump would've won back the presidency. A presidency that Kirk was intimately involved with.

Doesn't change the extent of the tragedy, but worth pointing out.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

A line was crossed.

Someone put it really good on twitter , and I'm paraphrasing here but- it's not the same as a assassination or murder of a political leader or someone else far removed, Charlie made his career largely on YouTube, sitting down and talking with people. It made him more of an "Everyman". A mic and a chair and a debate. Something literally anyone, including YOU could go out and start doing tomorrow.

More to the point:

A free democratic state is built on the principles of going out and talking with people, debating with them, agreeing and disagreeing, and then going out to vote to determine what a nation should do

Once you've devolved to the point where the solution for disagreements is bullets, then you aren't a free democratic state any more

I don't really know if the left actually realizes what they've done here. They crossed a line here which is sacrosanct in a free democratic state and I'm not sure they realize how normal, decent, ordinary Americans will react to one of the most terrible acts of political terrorism that can occur: attacking the foundation of what a free democracy fundamentally is

 

[Icymanipulator]

This is not the reality about Kirk. He was a very influential political functionary of sorts. The campus debates and podcast/show were integral to his persona, yes; but he founded and ran an organization that raised hundreds of millions of campaign dollars. If it wasn't for him, it is unlikely Trump would've won back the presidency. A presidency that Kirk was intimately involved with.

Doesn't change the extent of the tragedy, but worth pointing out.

Trump won the second that bullet missed.
People were already getting tired of woke culture but that sealed the deal.

 

[Lord Panda]

It's not for traffic reasons. I just looked at elsewhere on the internet, social media etc., and people are not able to act like civilized adults, so I wanted to talk about the news among my community. Mostly it was the Iryna Zarutska murder though. The Charlie Kirk assassination happened to lead in directly from that. A grim week.

I was genuinely reflecting on the moderation here today, and I'm glad this thread gave me the chance to say it: I really appreciate the restraint you and the team show. Especially over these past few tough days of high emotions, it would've been easy - understandable and even justifiable - to go scorched earth on people seemingly acting like jerks, but then we'd lose the chance for real discussion and learning.

 

[Thaimasker]

Trump won the second that bullet missed.
People were already getting tired of woke culture but that sealed the deal.

The election was won on the economy just like almost every other u.s election and every election around the world last year. That was by far the #1 issue no matter which poll you look at. And it likely will be for the next barring some truly world changing event happening very close to it.

 

[calico]

Can we finally stop treating these terrorist groups with kid gloves?

 

[Beretta]

Some people on tik tok and X saying Charlie's widow and children should be next. People are goddamn monsters.

 

[Captn]

Some people on tik tok and X saying Charlie's widow and children should be next. People are goddamn monsters.

Karma will take care of all of them monsters one day or an other.

 

[Boozeroony]

Some people on tik tok and X saying Charlie's widow and children should be next. People are goddamn monsters.

Protip: leave Twitter and TikTok.

 

[Boss Mog]

I hope that his trans roommate is thoroughly investigated. If he had any advanced knowledge or helped plan, or persuaded him to do it, then that guy should face the death penalty right beside the shooter.

 

[Woggleman]

Some people on tik tok and X saying Charlie's widow and children should be next. People are goddamn monsters.

People who say this are the bad guys. I am sorry but you are not a good person if you are like this.

 

[Three]

You are putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about "incompatible values" getting Charlie Kirk killed, I said empathy is being weaponized by liberal politicians to flood the west with "refugees" and "immigrants" from regions of the world that do not hold the same values we do.

OK, what has this got to do with this thread then?

 

[cebri.one]

Considering Mormons believe jebus was an alien from the planet klendathu, I'm kind of surprised they don't go nuts more often.

 

[daffyduck]

 

[NeoLed]

I am conservative and I believe that people should be entitled to share their opinions and not be punished financially/professionally for doing so. To paraphrase Mark Twain, "I may not believe in what you say, but I will defend your right to say it".

I don't think anyone threatening their right of speech. None of these people get banned from social media (yet)

 

[peish]

Some people on tik tok and X saying Charlie's widow and children should be next. People are goddamn monsters.

On ERA, I always read this same type of wink-wink hushed tone advocating violence on people they disagree with.

It is crazy how some purple people act all god complexy because they are somewhat victims of discrimantion.

 

[Icymanipulator]

More to the point:

A free democratic state is built on the principles of going out and talking with people, debating with them, agreeing and disagreeing, and then going out to vote to determine what a nation should do

Once you've devolved to the point where the solution for disagreements is bullets, then you aren't a free democratic state any more

I don't really know if the left actually realizes what they've done here. They crossed a line here which is sacrosanct in a free democratic state and I'm not sure they realize how normal, decent, ordinary Americans will react to one of the most terrible acts of political terrorism that can occur: attacking the foundation of what a free democracy fundamentally is

I wanted to quote this because it is articulated extremely well. Excellent summation.

 

[Coloress_Kafka]

Can we finally stop treating these terrorist groups with kid gloves?

Multiple leftist organizations…… in Utah???? Yeah that's the first state I think of when I think of antifa thugs.

 

[Trilobit]

I feel like this is worth a read.

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I began my "Truth & Consequences" speaking tour this week in Seattle and San Jose, and the assassination of Charlie Kirk was on everyone's mind. Before stepping onstage, I received texts from several friends who wanted to know the details of my security. One family member urged me to cancel the whole tour immediately.

Kirk was a political prodigy on the Right and adored by a younger generation of Republicans. While I never met him, and didn't follow his work closely, it was obvious that we weren't political allies. It should go without saying that I feel nothing but sadness for him and his family.

His murder was an especially terrible crime for several reasons—the fact that it occurred on a college campus in front of thousands of students, the manner in which it was immediately broadcast on social media, the presence of his wife and children at the scene, and the unavoidable sense that both the causes and consequences had to be political. Whatever the killer's motives, he dropped a match onto an information landscape that was ready to burn.

Since deleting my Twitter account nearly three years ago, I've generally ignored social media. However, in the last 48 hours I've spent enough time studying the response to Kirk's death to be further convinced that platforms like X and TikTok are destroying our culture. No metaphor does the problem justice. I've compared social media to a dangerous psychological experiment, a hallucination machine, a funhouse mirror, a digital sewer—but nothing captures the ludicrous insults, moral injuries, and delusions that millions of us avidly produce and consume online. If the medium is the message, the message is mass psychosis—and it will send us careening from one political emergency to the next. The fact that some of the most deranging and divisive content is being created (or amplified) by foreign adversaries—and that we have literally built and monetized their capacity to do this—beggars belief. We are poisoning ourselves and inviting others to poison us.

More disturbing still, the effects are self-reinforcing. Part of the reason for this is algorithmic—these platforms have been designed to raise the amplitude on our tribal hatreds, because this maximizes engagement. But the algorithms in our brains are little better: Seeing another person (or what appears to be another person) gleefully dance on a slain man's grave, it is easy to conclude that they represent some significant faction of American society—and to feel the outrage appropriate to such a terrible discovery.

President Trump is a creature of social media, and his presidency would be unthinkable without it. Unfortunately, his address to the nation in response to Kirk's murder evinced all the wisdom of an angry tweet. Rather than speak in a way that would be expected of a normal president, he produced a dangerous piece of gaslighting—suggesting that the threat of political violence in America came exclusively from the Left and ignoring recent examples of rightwing attacks, including those carried out in his name. Rather than calling for calm and unity, he accused his political opponents of being accessories to murder. And most ominously, he implied that the full power of the federal government would soon be turned against them.

It was the behavior of an arsonist, pretending to be a firefighter. Of course, some will insist that this observation just heaps more fuel on the fire. But serious criticism of President Trump and Trumpism isn't part of the problem of hyperpolarization in America—no more than serious criticism of the far Left is.

When Elon Musk announced to his 225 million followers on X that "The Left is the party of murder," he wasn't describing our political reality, but he was greatly damaging it. And when he posted, "If they won't leave us in peace, then our choice is fight or die," he joined a deranged chorus of prominent people on the Right who seem committed to viewing Kirk's murder as the first shot fired in a civil war.

And who, after all, are "they"?

No morally sane person, Left or Right, supports political assassination—or feels anything but horror over it.

Kirk's killer is now in custody, and from the details that have been released, he doesn't appear to be the far-Left golem conjured by the Right. He is a Utah native who grew up hunting with his Republican parents. We don't yet know why he did what he did, but there is a very good chance that he represents no cause beyond his own mental illness. As for the frequency and character of political violence in America, we shouldn't delude ourselves about it. It isn't at all a common form of murder, nor is it more prevalent on the Left.

There is no "party of murder" in this country. And insisting that there is just adds energy to yet another moral panic. Social media amplifies extreme views as though they were representative of most Americans, and many of us are losing our sense of what other people are really like. Many seem completely unaware that their hold on reality is being steadily undermined by what they are seeing online, and that the business models of these platforms, as well as livelihoods of countless "influencers," depend on our continuing to gaze, and howl, into the digital abyss.

Get off social media.

Read good books and real journalism.

Find your friends.

And enjoy your life.

-- Sam Harris

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There are things in there I don't agree with, but he is 100% right about social media. It is destroying our culture, and western societies.

There's a whole lot of excusing bad behaviour in that text. It's as if he doesn't want to acknowledge that a big portion of people on the left celebrated an assassination. Instead he wants to shift all blame to algorithms, Trump and Musk. I've read plenty of accounts of normal people being shocked by their friends or colleagues being happy over it, to not think that it's very widespread outside of the online world.

Does it mean that all or the majority thinks that way? No, but a scary amount of people on the left do. And the text was just written to make them feel good about their side and ignore a festering rot.

 

[cebri.one]

There's a whole lot of excusing bad behaviour in that text. It's as if he doesn't want to acknowledge that a big portion of people on the left celebrated an assassination. Instead he wants to shift all blame to algorithms, Trump and Musk. I've read plenty of accounts of normal people being shocked by their friends or colleagues being happy over it, to not think that it's very widespread outside of the online world.

Does it mean that all or the majority thinks that way? No, but a scary amount of people on the left do. And the text was just written to make them feel good about their side and ignore a festering rot.

By that same argument a lot of people of the right are advocating for civil war at this moment. Including Musk.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

This Robin Dreek person is spot -on

 

[Trilobit]

By that same argument a lot of people of the right are advocating for civil war at this moment. Including Musk.

At this point it seems like a lot of people on both sides are calling for civil war and USA needs to take a thorough and careful look on how to stop that. The majority of reasonable people on both sides need to make their voices louder so that the vocal extremes don't get mistaken to be the majorities.

 

[Tams]

There is a very sinister element plaguing academia. Whether it's DEI, or maybe who is funding the whole push..

I think you'll find it's called EDI now.

Funnily enough, they avoid use the combinations of DIE and IED. For now.

 

[Tams]

I've been calling social media the root of most societal problems for ages. I abandoned FB and Twitter over 10 years ago. The problem is that its easier to hate on these platforms since you are anonymous, on your sofa and you don't see the person in real life so you won't have any affinity with another which might change your tune. This creates a much colder society.

And if it so happens and you are kind of unstable, a loner, bit of a loser or easy to manipulate, chances of radicalizing via socials are a high possibility. You'll usually see a lot of parotting on these platforms and viscious attacks if you disagree so yeah.

Unfortunately, I've seen the mocking, trivialisation, and unfair dismissal of people's opinions by politicians and their staff in person. Online meetings were always worse, but out and about, on the streets, as soon as people were out earshot it regularly happened.

I used to work in that area, and it's the main reason I left, as I saw my efforts to bring reason and respect either met with silence or dismissed.

And this was for the so-called moderate side.

 

[Scrawnton]

Glad to see that FBI profiler call out social media as one of the causes of today's behavior. I would love for social media to be regulated to uselessness.

I know the government can't ban social media because of free speech. BUT, they can ban the use of algorithms that create echo chambers and silence dissent which leads to people being more and more radicalized because they don't see diverse ideologies, only their own which becomes more and more extreme over time.

If anything, social media algorithms suppress free speech because it hides things people say for certain people without their direct consent for those things to be hidden. Banning this practice would make free speech and diverse speaking more accessible.

I miss the days when Twitter and Facebook was literally just an unfiltered chronological wall of everything all of my friends posted.

 

[crazepharmacist]

Trump won the second that bullet missed.
People were already getting tired of woke culture but that sealed the deal.

I was probably going to vote blue for midterms because I'm not sold on trumps economic policies. I think inflation is still a problem and might be sticky going forward because of blanket tariffs. I don't like what he did to Intel, AMD, Nvidia. Government taking control of private companies like that is not republican. Don't like his attacks on the independent of the federal reserve.

But no way am I going to vote blue now after this.

 

[thefool]

I condemn lists, surveillance states, thought police, there are lines that cannot be crossed, finding Charlie Kirk extremist, even if wrong, is not a transgression, not being empathic over a death is not a violation of anything, jokes are not violence but it's ironic the left is being bombarded by the culture they created. I keep reiterating these sort of behaviors and judgements the left, media and institutions normalize goes both ways, and people will not be comfortable when it's targeted against them.

An entirely different thing is having doctors, nurses, judges, prosecutors whom we expect ethics, moral principles and impartiality displaying behaviors that evidently go against their oaths and responsibility. It's also extremely important that children are protected from people who gleefully applaud murders and assassinations.

 

[wa600]

Not done with the video but already seeing some brain dead takes.

I got this guy recommended and watched one single video of him hours before the assasination.
No idea where he was in public, looked like some minor event and he asked 2-3 people dressed in ski masks/balaclava or whatever they are called why are dressed like they are going to rob a bank.
Then immediately afterwards he was swarmed by people (some clearly LGBT+ folks of those) and they started blasting a horn into his year, pushing him around, shoving their umbrella into his face. He kept super calm (which I dont think I would be able to), then some black reverend (?) came and asked him to leave because he disturbed the peace. After some minor exchange asking why, he did eventually decide to go and everyone kept following him pushing him around, stealing his cap, pouring water on him, constantly yelling into his ear etc.

I thought to myself: What a bunch of fucking lunactics. I feared someone actually might punch me in the face or worse if I was in that situation. And if you posted this clip on reddit, pretty much everyone would be "fuck this nazi. he deserved even more" etc.
Its a huge problem that social media has not only normalised this type of behavouir but is even endorsing it.

 

[Scrawnton]

I was probably going to vote blue for midterms because I'm not sold on trumps economic policies. I think inflation is still a problem and might be sticky going forward because of blanket tariffs. I don't like what he did to Intel, AMD, Nvidia. Government taking control of private companies like that is not republican. Don't like his attacks on the independent of the federal reserve.

But no way am I going to vote blue now after this.

Agreed. Not voting blue again until the grave dancing and far left is immediately called out and shunned from the party by the political leaders. Thats my condition.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Considering Mormons believe jebus was an alien from the planet klendathu, I'm kind of surprised they don't go nuts more often.

We don't know what God looks like, or even if it exists.

But we know that there are ONLY two genders.


The real crazies argue the latter.