Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

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"The feds have widened their investigation into the assassination of Charlie Kirk to probe whether pro-trans, online groups and others connected with Tyler Robinson knew in advance about the plan to kill the MAGA influencer, The Post has learned.

Law enforcement sources said that investigators are examining leftist groups both in Utah and online to figure out if they helped him with the shooting — or at least heard it was going to happen.

The probe includes groups in online gaming community Steam, as well as a pro-trans organization called Armed Queers SLC, which took down their Instagram after Kirk was killed, the source confirmed."
I really hope they go all-in on this and leave no stone unturned. Anyone in these groups who said something in advance needs to have an armed swat team kicking down their door. And I want every single resource used by the legal apparatus to see how many of them can be tried as conspirators with the same consequences as the murderer.
 
This is literally the purpose of the second amendment, so good for them. And no, an individual handgun won't help a person against big brother but an armed populace assures the govt stays in check. For example, see how many people have died under communism and what the first act of leftist/socialist/facist/communist (birds of a feather) governments tends to be.
The scenario brought up won't happen, but if their warped little minds need something to make them agree with second amendment, good for them. Our military took an oath to defend the constitution, not whoever is in the White House at any given moment. If a main purpose of the second amendment came to be, the military in part would help the people with their defense against tyranny.
 
I'ma assume Adams is not very familiar with CK, because there is no moment of reflection or any reversing course on this for these people, ever.
 
Only one side isn't cooling down

Conservatives are busy holding prayer vigils
I mean, there's definitely a mob witch hunt going on


Say what you want about what she said, but she doesn't deserve to get doxxed and death threats and shit. People are mental.
 
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I see we are cooling down as a country.


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I'm not gonna pretend like I followed the guy, because I didn't. So I can't attest to what he did or didn't believe or say. But I can say generally a lot of people who have strong opinions online about stuff know very little about these topics and like 95% of young people unfortunately. So it wouldn't be stunning if people who claim to know what Kirk stood for didn't know anything about him aside from a couple clips from Tiktok. People 30 and under get all their views from Tiktok and social media and just adopt the views of people in their ideological in-crowd. No one actually desires to learn anymore they just want to find things that reinforce what they feel are positions that will get them online brownie points.
 
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Can you blame them? Regardless, they think buying a handgun will help them :messenger_confounded:
The second amendment is dated and all but useless in todays world. It was from a time when guns and numbers had all the power but a gun is going to do fuck all nowadays. If you truly had a tyrannical state guns and numbers isn't going to save you from todays actual power. tanks, hellfire missles, F35s, drone strikes and the like. Those numbers and firearms are going to get wiped out quickly.
 
The second amendment is dated and all but useless in todays world. It was from a time when guns and numbers had all the power but a gun is going to do fuck all nowadays. If you truly had a tyrannical state guns and numbers isn't going to save you from todays actual power. tanks, hellfire missles, F35s, drone strikes and the like. Those numbers and firearms are going to get wiped out quickly.
Maybe you're forgetting the difficulty of conflicts modern militaries have with third world countries. Tanks and hellfire missiles don't mean shit when the enemy is in civilian territory. Militaries follow rules of engagement. Going against that would draw attention from other nations.

Plus this scenario won't happen. The US military swore an oath to protect the constitution. No matter how crazy your hypothetical president would be, the military wouldn't engage in combat against a domestic population well within their constitutional rights.
 
The scenario brought up won't happen, but if their warped little minds need something to make them agree with second amendment, good for them. Our military took an oath to defend the constitution, not whoever is in the White House at any given moment. If a main purpose of the second amendment came to be, the military in part would help the people with their defense against tyranny.
Uhh... Hate to break it to you but past presidents already have violated the constitution but the military didn't intervene. The scenario where military personnel go against orders en mass because it's against the constitution won't ever happen.


The second amendment is dated and all but useless in todays world. It was from a time when guns and numbers had all the power but a gun is going to do fuck all nowadays. If you truly had a tyrannical state guns and numbers isn't going to save you from todays actual power. tanks, hellfire missles, F35s, drone strikes and the like. Those numbers and firearms are going to get wiped out quickly.
Someone should have told the Viet Cong and Taliban this.
 
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I mean, there's definitely a mob witch hunt going on


Say what you want about what she said, but she doesn't deserve to get doxxed and death threats and shit. People are mental.

I agree that the line needs to be drawn better. Someone who just says something a bit gross or a joke about him or "he was awful anyway" or something doesn't need to be persecuted for saying dumb things. The efforts to bring consequences to people who cheered his murder should be narrowly targeted only at public and school officials, and only if they actually posted that he deserved what happened or something at that level, not if they just said they hate him.
 
"They"
"The other side"
"Woke leftist"
"Liberals"

It's not often my beloved GAF disappoints, but when it does...

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I'm independent. I used to think that maybe the woke stuff was blown out of proportion, but after dating a bunch and talking with lots of different women, and seeing the effects of these things near my small town, I just can't anymore. Now, some people I believe want to do the right thing, but their feelings are being manipulated into causing harm. While others are just irrational and there is no getting past the amount of brainwashing. I thought things were improving, but it's clear there is a lot of work to undo the fuckery, and I think this situation made people realize it

I am glad for the dialogue in this thread. I know we all have our own views on stuff, but we can at least agree this is a damn tragedy.
 
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Wait weren't you complaining a little while ago about the UK actually going after people who incite hatred and violence against others online?

This is the reason why and it's not a one way street.

There is a difference betweem stuff like this:


And telling people (his audience is in millions) to kill person X or Y...
 
I don't know how, but the US and UK need to do a hard reset on all their universities.

unplug it and plug it back in situtation.

It's so blatant now that the hardcore mental brainwashing and retardation of youth is happening on campus.

Universities will be destroyed by AI already. So many degrees will be totally worthless in the upcoming years...
 
The second amendment is dated and all but useless in todays world. It was from a time when guns and numbers had all the power but a gun is going to do fuck all nowadays. If you truly had a tyrannical state guns and numbers isn't going to save you from todays actual power. tanks, hellfire missles, F35s, drone strikes and the like. Those numbers and firearms are going to get wiped out quickly.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." - Oscar Wilde

This is a quote from the 1800s. Imagine how much worse it has got to be today. Never in human history have we had better and easier access to information. But instead of utlizing that, most of us are less prone to research and critical thinking. Anthropology has got to be an interesting field today.
 
I honestly can't believe this is more trans violence. So many crazy aspects of modern culture have to come together to create this specific problem. Maybe this will finally start to wake people up.
 
This assumes that naturalized citizens are incapable of agreeing with right-wing talking points (or that people with several generations of citizenship can't agree with left-wing ones).
I don't assume that, which is what I mean by culturally-American vs not. Immigration at a low enough level where the immigrant essentially has no choice but to assimilate into the existing culture is not a problem, and America used to be very effective at taking people from almost anywhere and turning them into Americans. Effectively open border policies leading to migration at a pace where the migrant has no real need to assimilate is where it becomes useful for those seeking to subjugate America to globalist rule. It creates a pool of manpower which has no loyalty to the American people or traditional American culture and will have no particular problem with fighting against and killing Americans when the time comes.

I would consider traditional pro-America Americans and immigrants successfully assimilated into pro-America Americans to be in the same group with regards what I'm talking about. I would consider the leftist 'America is evil tear it all down' flag-burning 'Americans' and the unassimilated immigrants to be in the same group. The former group is not going to go along with what would be necessary to subjugate America to globalist rule, and so they first must be reduced (in % terms) from being a totally dominant share of the population to a more even split.

Mass migration and keeping the colleges converting normal pro-American kids into leftist anti-Americans are critical to evening that split.
 
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I honestly can't believe this is more trans violence. So many crazy aspects of modern culture have to come together to create this specific problem. Maybe this will finally start to wake people up.
I honestly have never heard of trans violence until now, is it actually a thing, obviously other than this event. Like trans people committing violent crime? I'd need some stats on that.
 
I honestly have never heard of trans violence until now, is it actually a thing, obviously other than this event. Like trans people committing violent crime? I'd need some stats on that.
The recent Church shooting was done by a trans-person, and there were others as well I think a year ago.
 
I honestly have never heard of trans violence until now, is it actually a thing, obviously other than this event. Like trans people committing violent crime? I'd need some stats on that.
I don't know about stats, but you must have lived under a stone if you haven't heard about any.

 
I don't know about stats, but you must have lived under a stone if you haven't heard about any.


There's been many, but they downplay the trans identity in MSM

 
Last night, Heidi Reichinnek, chairwoman of the German Left Party (Die Linke), was a guest on a political talk show. Die Linke is extremely on the rise (especially among the youth) since Reichinnek showed up. In surveys she is the most popular politican among the age group 18-29 mostly due her being present a lot on tik-tok. Tells you a lot about this country.

Host: In the US this week, the ultra-right activist and Trump supporter Charlie Kirk was shot dead. Afterward, your personal aide posted a so-called meme, a photo that said "Oh no!" and "Anyway...". He then deleted the post, explaining that right-wing radicals had placed it in a context that never existed. Did he tell you in what context he posted it?

Reichinnek: Yes, because there was also a school massacre on the same day. That was a very cynical way, but unfortunately also a very fitting way to say that with this school massacre, people just move on... I have to say I thought it was very good that you also labeled him as ultra-right, because this so-called right-conservative narrative about him is simply not true. He was a white supremacist, he was against the right to self-determination, he said he would force his 10-year-old daughter to give birth to a child after a rape, he is a racist. It's really outrageous, the statements he made. And I think you never rejoice over anyone's death, but at that point, you don't have to feel pity or respect for this person either, because he framed it with regard to these school massacres, which are a huge problem in the US, since Kirk who was shot said "some victims are just what we have to endure for our freedom to bear arms" and he (the personal aide) satirically drew attention to the fact that with other issues, there was no such focus at all. Not even with the murdered Democrats, for example. And that it could be misinterpreted, we discussed that, which is why he deleted it. But now, legal action is being taken against precisely those right-wing media outlets that picked it up. And on that, I say very clearly, that's absolutely right. And I'm repeatedly very surprised that this ultra-right nationalist is now being mourned in so many places. I'm rather irritated that, for example, a young Union member sends such a condolence post, when you consider what kind of person he was. They didn't do it for the (murdered) Democrats back then. It's also a question one has to ask oneself.

Host: He was murdered, after all...

Reichinnek Yes. By another Republican.

Host: And you're surprised that people can mourn when someone is murdered?

Reichinnek: I don't know if that's the person where you say "He was such a good guy. And he was such a right-conservative." No. He was very problematic. But as I said, you have to know who you're giving a platform to.


 
Last night, Heidi Reichinnek, chairwoman of the German Left Party (Die Linke), was a guest on a political talk show. Die Linke is extremely on the rise (especially among the youth) since Reichinnek showed up. In surveys she is the most popular politican among the age group 18-29 mostly due her being present a lot on tik-tok. Tells you a lot about this country.
This is true for any politicians. Young people don't watch TV, they get all their info from Tiktok and a bit of Instagram. Older politicians should take note and start talking to the new audience.
 
'Trans' shooters are just another manifestation of mental illness imo, rather than a distinct new threat. If these 'trans' school shooters hadn't been drawn toward this specific brand of weird self-loathing outsider culture it would have been some other brand of it. 'Trans' is just the latest false answer to that underlying problem of self-loathing; it's only worse in the sense that a large part of society has decided to enable and encourage this manifestation.

Political shootings and mass school shootings are very different beasts I think. Even while condemning it, it is not particularly difficult to see the logic involved in a political shooting and how a sane person might (rightly or wrongly) consider it a course of action beneficial to their political cause. With mass school shootings it is typically (though not necessarily always) just about hating themselves and society and wanting revenge against society to the maximum extent they can, ie. they are loco.
 
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