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[IlGialloMondadori]

I don't know about stats, but you must have lived under a stone if you haven't heard about any.

Exclusive | Minneapolis school shooter ID’d as trans woman Robin Westman — as apparent manifesto included ‘kill Trump’

Robin Westman, a 23-year-old trans woman, opened fire through the stained glass windows of Annunciation Catholic Church during a celebratory back-to-school Mass filled with children, around 8:30 a.…

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Yeah I actually didn't hear about this one. Don't live in the US. It's hard to characterise this one as something particular to any ideology, as they apparently worshipped Hitler, would do the Hitler salute in school, and hated everyone.

Damn there's some messed up people out there.

 

[Scrawnton]

Was listening to the new Chevelle album that dropped a few weeks ago. The song "Shocked at the End of the World" sadly represents where we are at now after last week.

 

[Baemono]

In surveys she is the most popular politican among the age group 18-29 mostly due her being present a lot on tik-tok. Tells you a lot about this country.

It's the same in most places nowadays. In France, the most popular politician is a 30-yo with no real experience besides being the (former) boyfriend of the granddaughter of the right-wing party FN (now RN) and have a big following on TikTok. In Romania, an unknown guy arrived at the top of the presidential election after campaning solely on TikTok.

It's all about algorithms manipulating public opinion.

 

[Mistake]

If you want to check how messed up things are, here's an easy test. Get a cross and mention to your left/liberal friend you've been thinking about converting. See what they say. If there is either abject horror or disgust on their face, you got a problem.

I say this because I've seen it

 

[Topher]

This guy didn't just condone violence, he actively called for more murder. "a bit edgy"

A teacher

 

[MidGenRefresh]

If you want to check how messed up things are, here's an easy test. Get a cross and mention to your left/liberal friend you've been thinking about converting. See what they say. If there is either abject horror or disgust on their face, you got a problem.

I say this because I've seen it

Every member of my family who's even slightly to the left is mocking my faith and God in general.

 

[Mistake]

Every member of my family who's even slightly to the left is mocking my faith and God in general.

Religion is the canary in the coal mine when it comes to free speech rights

That sounds rough, best advice I can give is to kill with kindness

 

[Boneless]

I mean, there's definitely a mob witch hunt going on


Say what you want about what she said, but she doesn't deserve to get doxxed and death threats and shit. People are mental.

I looked on the website a couple of times and was quite disturbed by the fact that they are targeting people that do not celebrate his murder at all.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Every member of my family who's even slightly to the left is mocking my faith and God in general.

Tell them that you embraced Islam and want to set a few bombs in Israel, that will earn you respect points.

 

[Barrier Island Dweller]

If you want to check how messed up things are, here's an easy test. Get a cross and mention to your left/liberal friend you've been thinking about converting. See what they say. If there is either abject horror or disgust on their face, you got a problem.

I say this because I've seen it

Idk…as a non practicing catholic, I feel like to the weak minded, religion is too influential for certain people. Like they take it way too far with their beliefs.

I feel like religion is ok in moderation.
Like if you're ever in the middle of Mass and just take a look around, it is a little weird that we are all under one roof chanting the same shit.

So I don't think I would abject in horror or disgust. I just take a quiet mental note to remember why this person is going to transform into someone preachy 3 months from now.

But I can have those views and still lean conservative so it is what it is.

 

[Mistake]

Idk…as a non practicing catholic, I feel like to the weak minded, religion is too influential for certain people. Like they take it way too far with their beliefs.

I feel like religion is ok in moderation.
Like if you're ever in the middle of Mass and just take a look around, it is a little weird that we are all under one roof chanting the same shit.

So I don't think I would abject in horror or disgust. I just take a quiet mental note to remember why this person is going to transform into someone preachy 3 months from now.

But I can have those views and still lean conservative so it is what it is.

I'm a mix of stuff and more of a let live kind of guy. You're completely right that things can swing the other way, and they have, like attacks on abortion clinics

 

[thefool]

I see we are cooling down as a country.

Both listed as white

 

[calico]

Those expressions of unity can serve a valuable societal purpose, beyond the religious element and even without a genuine belief in the religious element.

The conservative movement is broader than Christianity, but the shattering of that bedrock which it has traditionally been built upon has been hugely beneficial to the leftists seeking to destroy traditional Western culture and replace it with their sick vision for the future.

 

[Null Persp]

 

[StueyDuck]

I mean, there's definitely a mob witch hunt going on


Say what you want about what she said, but she doesn't deserve to get doxxed and death threats and shit. People are mental.

Naaaah, im sorry but her little sob story and the whole woe is me, isn't working on me.

like you also could have said nothing lady, many people with brains and a soul were either able to say nothing or say something like rest in peace.

has it not occurred to these nut jobs that if they just acted like normal human beings there wouldn't be a response, there wouldn't be doxxing...

it's simple science, every action has an equal and opposite reaction

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I mean, there's definitely a mob witch hunt going on


Say what you want about what she said, but she doesn't deserve to get doxxed and death threats and shit. People are mental.

Action. Reaction. I still wish her well.

 

[Three]

There is a difference betweem stuff like this:

UK free speech crackdown sees up to 30 people a day arrested for petty offenses such as retweets and cartoons

UK data suggests over 30 people a day are arrested for speech crimes, about 12,000 a year, under laws written well before the age of social media that make crimes of sending “grossly offensive” mes…

nypost.com

And telling people (his audience is in millions) to kill person X or Y...

I was arguing with you about somebody who said to burn hotels though. Is that not telling people to do the same thing to a lot of people instead? Again it's the same "censorship" and it applies both ways. You incite violence you face punishment.

 

[DaciaJC]

Both listed as white

Hey, I'm sure they're just a pair of local Mormon choir boys.

 

[DeafTourette]

I was probably going to vote blue for midterms because I'm not sold on trumps economic policies. I think inflation is still a problem and might be sticky going forward because of blanket tariffs. I don't like what he did to Intel, AMD, Nvidia. Government taking control of private companies like that is not republican. Don't like his attacks on the independent of the federal reserve.

But no way am I going to vote blue now after this.

So... Politicians who have ALL condemned this violence are the same as the people who are NOT in public office and everyday people celebrating the murder?

The logic isn't logic-ing.

 

[calico]

All they have is lies and violence.

 

[Kacho]

Hey, I'm sure they're just a pair of local Mormon choir boys.

They came from Sweden

 

[Three]

Maybe you're forgetting the difficulty of conflicts modern militaries have with third world countries. Tanks and hellfire missiles don't mean shit when the enemy is in civilian territory. Militaries follow rules of engagement. Going against that would draw attention from other nations.

I think you don't have much experience with this today the only difficulty is that it costs money. Rules of engagement wouldn't apply especially when it has strength and it's literally turning on its own people. If it applied then it wouldn't happen in the first place.

 

[calico]

So... Politicians who have ALL condemned this violence are the same as the people who are NOT in public office and everyday people celebrating the murder?

The logic isn't logic-ing.

'Everyday people' who have been led there by the nose by those same politicians. Pretending to condemn it after the desired outcome has been achieved changes nothing.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

They came from Sweden

Sounds like descendants from Vikings, peak white supremacists.

Politicians who have ALL condemned this violence

All?? The only ones truly condemning this are ex presidents/candidates like Obama, Biden or Kamala Harris. Lower ranks are not condemning at all. If anything, they are reafirming their evil ways.

Next elections are gonna be a shitshow.

 

[captainnapalm]

'Trans' shooters are just another manifestation of mental illness imo, rather than a distinct new threat. If these 'trans' school shooters hadn't been drawn toward this specific brand of weird self-loathing outsider culture it would have been some other brand of it. 'Trans' is just the latest false answer to that underlying problem of self-loathing; it's only worse in the sense that a large part of society has decided to enable and encourage this manifestation.

Political shootings and mass school shootings are very different beasts I think. Even while condemning it, it is not particularly difficult to see the logic involved in a political shooting and how a sane person might (rightly or wrongly) consider it a course of action beneficial to their political cause. With mass school shootings it is typically (though not necessarily always) just about hating themselves and society and wanting revenge against society to the maximum extent they can, ie. they are loco.

I've seen some evidence that even beyond these really bad shooting incidents, there is a lot of violent imagery and ideation going on within the trans community. They have an intense hatred for anyone seen as denying their existence or reality. And they're all severely medicated - so there's that connection too. Never mind the crazy life-altering surgeries/mutilation. It's a dangerous cocktail.

But you're right that the enabling of it makes it a million times worse. A lot of wokism in society comes, for example, from parents who have kids ensnared by gender ideology and believe the right thing to do is to be supportive, not realising they should be running in the opposite direction. Musk's kid for example got ensnared at one of these ultra liberal schools in California and that's why he's so against it.

 

[Boo Who?]

But you're right that the enabling of it makes it a million times worse. A lot of wokism in society comes, for example, from parents who have kids ensnared by gender ideology and believe the right thing to do is to be supportive, not realising they should be running in the opposite direction. Musk's kid for example got ensnared at one of these ultra liberal schools in California and that's why he's so against it.

You have no idea how correct you are.

 

[Boss Mog]

Last night, Heidi Reichinnek, chairwoman of the German Left Party (Die Linke), was a guest on a political talk show. Die Linke is extremely on the rise (especially among the youth) since Reichinnek showed up. In surveys she is the most popular politican among the age group 18-29 mostly due her being present a lot on tik-tok. Tells you a lot about this country.

Host: In the US this week, the ultra-right activist and Trump supporter Charlie Kirk was shot dead. Afterward, your personal aide posted a so-called meme, a photo that said "Oh no!" and "Anyway...". He then deleted the post, explaining that right-wing radicals had placed it in a context that never existed. Did he tell you in what context he posted it?

Reichinnek: Yes, because there was also a school massacre on the same day. That was a very cynical way, but unfortunately also a very fitting way to say that with this school massacre, people just move on... I have to say I thought it was very good that you also labeled him as ultra-right, because this so-called right-conservative narrative about him is simply not true. He was a white supremacist, he was against the right to self-determination, he said he would force his 10-year-old daughter to give birth to a child after a rape, he is a racist. It's really outrageous, the statements he made. And I think you never rejoice over anyone's death, but at that point, you don't have to feel pity or respect for this person either, because he framed it with regard to these school massacres, which are a huge problem in the US, since Kirk who was shot said "some victims are just what we have to endure for our freedom to bear arms" and he (the personal aide) satirically drew attention to the fact that with other issues, there was no such focus at all. Not even with the murdered Democrats, for example. And that it could be misinterpreted, we discussed that, which is why he deleted it. But now, legal action is being taken against precisely those right-wing media outlets that picked it up. And on that, I say very clearly, that's absolutely right. And I'm repeatedly very surprised that this ultra-right nationalist is now being mourned in so many places. I'm rather irritated that, for example, a young Union member sends such a condolence post, when you consider what kind of person he was. They didn't do it for the (murdered) Democrats back then. It's also a question one has to ask oneself.

Host: He was murdered, after all...

Reichinnek Yes. By another Republican.

Host: And you're surprised that people can mourn when someone is murdered?

Reichinnek: I don't know if that's the person where you say "He was such a good guy. And he was such a right-conservative." No. He was very problematic. But as I said, you have to know who you're giving a platform to.

Scary shit. From what I've seen all mainstream media outlets in Europe are referring to Kirk as an extreme far right-winger. Europe really is cooked. The 2027 French presidential election will be a pivotal event in either slowing or accelerating the collapse.

 

[DeafTourette]

Sounds like descendants from Vikings, peak white supremacists.



All?? The only ones truly condemning this are ex presidents/candidates like Obama, Biden or Kamala Harris. Lower ranks are not condemning at all. If anything, they are reafirming their evil ways.

Next elections are gonna be a shitshow.

How politicians who have experienced violence directly are responding to Charlie Kirk's death

Several leaders who have survived public attacks or had family members victimized joined in bipartisan condemnation of the attack on Kirk.

www.pbs.org

This was just some. I've seen AOC, Crockett, Sanders, and I'm blanking on other names as it's early in the morning... All condemned what happened.

That said.... I think idiots like those dancing on his death should be mocked and digitally tarred and feathered (whichever way you take that) for being morally bankrupt.

 

[calico]

'The FBI has detailed a disturbing note and DNA evidence from the alleged Charlie Kirk assassin.
Tyler Robinson said he was going to 'take out' Kirk, according to FBI Director Kash Patel.
"The note was written before the shooting, it was in the suspect's home," Patel told Fox News.

"We have since learned the note - even though it was destroyed - we have found forensic evidence of the note and we have confirmed what the note said because [of] our aggressive interview posture at the FBI."
The note read [summarised]: "I have the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it."'

Who destroyed the note?

 

[rm082e]

'The FBI has detailed a disturbing note and DNA evidence from the alleged Charlie Kirk assassin.
Tyler Robinson said he was going to 'take out' Kirk, according to FBI Director Kash Patel.
"The note was written before the shooting, it was in the suspect's home," Patel told Fox News.

"We have since learned the note - even though it was destroyed - we have found forensic evidence of the note and we have confirmed what the note said because [of] our aggressive interview posture at the FBI."
The note read [summarised]: "I have the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it."'

Who destroyed the note?

Just guessing here - Maybe he was keeping a digital journal and tried to delete it?

 

[jason10mm]

The creators have described it as a firing operation. They perform no manual review of the input, so anyone with a vendetta can upload someone's name and get them on the list. And as you yourself pointed out many of the examples already posted on their website don't meet the definition of "promoting or glorifying political violence". Some of the screenshotted posts they had as "proof" were clearly not being made by the person being put on the list, but they got on the list anyways because they had the misfortune of the wrong rando replying to their post.

So they get on the list. So what? There is no government sanctions, punishments, or inquiry attached. Other employees would have to search it, find their co-worker, THEN elevate it to a boss with firing capabilities, THEN that boss would have to decide to act on it. If all someone called "kittycat69" did was like a tweet that said "It's a good thing Charlie Kirk is gone!" and the profile pic was of a cat, no mention of the company was present, maybe not even a real name, just some website saying its supposed to be Lisa Jones of ABC Construction, do you REALLY think ABC Construction is gonna give a shit? Unless Lisa Jones is a right cunt at work and is already on the cusp of termination, this site ain't gonna do shit.

BUT, if Lisa Jones has her own pic in the profile, has "HR QWEEN YAS!!! of ABC Construction" under her name, posts a vid of her dancing, saying "Charlie is DEAD, I hope they kill his wife and his kids, and I wish anyone who thinks like Kirk meets the same fate!" Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, might wanna give that bitch the boot, especially if your construction company has a lot of conservative workers and conservative clients. OF course if ABC Construction is based out of San Francisco and has been a DNC campaign money laundering operation for the past 40 years, than Lisa Jones is probably safe.

 

[Punished Miku]

If you live in a country where half of the population wants to kill you

This sounds like reasonable and responsible dialogue that's not at all alarmist or even further than what is being criticized.

You guys are well off the deep end. I'd suggest heading back to shore, but I'm sure you all will keep paddling.

 

[jason10mm]

The second amendment is dated and all but useless in todays world. It was from a time when guns and numbers had all the power but a gun is going to do fuck all nowadays. If you truly had a tyrannical state guns and numbers isn't going to save you from todays actual power. tanks, hellfire missles, F35s, drone strikes and the like. Those numbers and firearms are going to get wiped out quickly.

You don't have a very clear understanding of how civil war works. Personal firearms won't stop tanks, supersonic bombers, and drones, that is true. That's why you ALSO need a good defensive military guarding borders to prevent an INVASION.

Personal firearms are about making OCCUPATION untenable. Because, to no surprise, tank drivers, drone operators, and bomber pilots do actually have to get out and sleep, so if they are surrounded by an armed and hostile population they are trying to oppress, their personal security becomes EXTREMELY difficult. Trying to control cities, bridges, airfields, sources of resource production, power generation, manufacturing, refining, all the reasons WHY you would invade a region in the first place, an armed populace can make controlling those places almost impossible because guys in a tank or flying in a plane can't run an assembly line, process food, or build bridges.

I recommend watching Red Dawn (80's version, 'natch) to see the logistical difficulties that lightly armed guerrillas native to the region can inflict on invaders with superior technology. And then contemplate that if the US militiary was told to violently suppress, say Texas, that A TON the US military trigger pullers ARE FROM TEXAS, or have been in Texas, and might be sympathetic to Texas. You can start to see the difficulties in using the US military to 'pacify' certain regions of the US.

The US military is becoming a caste. The recruits are overwhelmingly from certain areas, because thats where the bases are, where it is more favorable to retirees, and 30% of recruits have a parent in the military, 70-80% have a family member in the military. Given that there are only 1.5mill active duty out of 350mill population, this is EXTREMELY insular, and getting mor
e so.

So if you are going to 'fear' the US Military, you need to take a good hard look at the data I've provided to see how unfounded that is in general, unless you live in New England I guess (and quite frankly, you can have it

 

[Loope]

I'm a mix of stuff and more of a let live kind of guy. You're completely right that things can swing the other way, and they have, like attacks on abortion clinics

They also can swing in families. I'm from a catholic family and one of my cousins told my grandmother that he didn't believe any of it, and it was a barrage of names. Actually even in schools where you can have some catholic teaching, if you say that you don't want your son in that particular class, everyones starts mumbling and throwing insults under their breath. It can and it will absolutely go to extremes with religious people. I find sad the explotation of people because of a book, i see people walking on their knees because they made a promise to try and heal a loved one or begging for their kid's life.
This goes both ways,trying to act as only atheist are preachy (and they can be preachy like shit) is no good to anyone.

 

[jason10mm]

Every member of my family who's even slightly to the left is mocking my faith and God in general.

I find that "It's ok, Jesus still loves you and forgives you" REALLY REALLY REALLY pisses those type of people off, and ROYALLY so. You can just MURDER those folks with kindness. You can see the self-hate eating them up because of it as well.

I'm not religious but even I can see that a judeo-christian cultural background, circa 2025 (maybe not circa 1300s pre Luther) is BY FAR the superior societal influence over any other. Sure the more catholic leaning Christian side can get over bearing, the baptists as well, but the over all effect of centuries of moderation and smoothing out of the rough edges has transformed Christianity to an overall global good, IMHO, certainly compared to Islam and communism (as religion).

 

[Vestal]

They also can swing in families. I'm from a catholic family and one of my cousins told my grandmother that he didn't believe any of it, and it was a barrage of names. Actually even in schools where you can have some catholic teaching, if you say that you don't want your son in that particular class, everyones starts mumbling and throwing insults under their breath. It can and it will absolutely go to extremes with religious people. I find sad the explotation of people because of a book, i see people walking on their knees because they made a promise to try and heal a loved one or begging for their kid's life.
This goes both ways,trying to act as only atheist are preachy (and they can be preachy like shit) is no good to anyone.

The extremes in anything in this life are what's wrong.

Be it:
doing something
believing something
thinking something
being something

Anything to an extreme is the wrong way of doing it.

 

[jason10mm]

Good grief. This guy is gonna be getting MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR offers to sway his stated motives/affiliations one way or another just to contribute to the culture war.

Not sure what he'll do with the $$$, but he'll be rich if he bites. He'll be in one of those luxury cells like Al Capone, getting a conjugal visit every week.

 

[laynelane]

This sounds like reasonable and responsible dialogue that's not at all alarmist or even further than what is being criticized.

You guys are well off the deep end. I'd suggest heading back to shore, but I'm sure you all will keep paddling.

Yeah, it's important to remember that the extremists are normally a minority in any given group. They speak the loudest and can cause a lot of damage, but the majority is (usually) far more moderate and reasonable.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

This sounds like reasonable and responsible dialogue that's not at all alarmist or even further than what is being criticized.

You guys are well off the deep end. I'd suggest heading back to shore, but I'm sure you all will keep paddling.

Dude, I live in another country, so that doesn't apply to me... yet.

Just for the sake of clarification, since you are bothered by the figure of speech: "a significant portion of the other side of the political spectrum would love seeing their opponents dead". Better like this? The idea is the same. During COVID people got radicalized and reported their neighbours like in the communist Rusia or nazi Germany. The "fear" is not unfounded.

Just wonder why the reactions after this are stronger than after Trump's failed assassination. It's because that dude was one of the crowd. Anyone could be next. Don't you really see the difference?

 

[INC]

Dude, I live in another country, so that doesn't apply to me... yet.

Just for the sake of clarification, since you are bothered by the figure of speech: "a significant portion of the other side of the political spectrum would love seeing their opponents dead". Better like this? The idea is the same. During COVID people got radicalized and reported their neighbours like in the communist Rusia or nazi Germany. The "fear" is not unfounded.

Just wonder why the reactions after this are stronger than after Trump's failed assassination. It's because that dude was one of the crowd. Anyone could be next. Don't you really see the difference?

the clue in "FAILED" assassination

 

[Kacho]

Anyone could be next.

 

[calico]

Some great speeches at the Kennedy Center memorial.

 

[NinjaMouse]

Both listed as white

FWIW, the Federal Government has counted Middle Easterners as white since at least the 1970s

 

[Punished Miku]

Dude, I live in another country, so that doesn't apply to me... yet.

Just for the sake of clarification, since you are bothered by the figure of speech: "a significant portion of the other side of the political spectrum would love seeing their opponents dead". Better like this? The idea is the same. During COVID people got radicalized and reported their neighbours like in the communist Rusia or nazi Germany. The "fear" is not unfounded.

Just wonder why the reactions after this are stronger than after Trump's failed assassination. It's because that dude was one of the crowd. Anyone could be next. Don't you really see the difference?

Almost every aspect of this reply is incomprehensible to me.

1) Nothing I said would change depending on the country you live in.
2) Everyone in this thread is claiming to be bothered by speech. That's one of the main themes of the thread. I pointed out that what you said is just as alarmist and likely to promote violence as anything you're criticizing. Saw tons of people trying to intimidate people from ever using the word "nazi" or "fascist" ever again because it could motivate people to violence. And then you claim HALF THE COUNTRY wants to kill you. Has nothing to do with me being bothered by speech; I'm calling you a massive hypocrite without a leg to stand on.
3) I honestly don't see what COVID has to do with anything.
4) a) Age difference, b) horrific up close video, c) Kirk appearing tonally more moderate than Trump and a more sympathetic personality even though they share every policy position, d) death.

 

[analog_future]

"God it's going to be so fucking gay if I get killed. All the cucked shit out here. The most cucked weakass bullshit speeches on my side. God if it happens holy shit god it's so cucked. It's so optics cucked."

 

[jason10mm]

"God it's going to be so fucking gay if I get killed. All the cucked shit out here. The most cucked weakass bullshit speeches on my side. God if it happens holy shit god it's so cucked. It's so optics cucked."

I can't actually parse what he is saying very well, but is he implying that only when conservatives are afraid for their lives will they insist their leadership bow the knee, give up on their positions, cede ground to the political opposition (who created this fear environment in the first place), aka be bullied into silence?

Guy needs to read some history books about what populations, particularly highly aggressive ones like Americans, do when afraid of something. I'll tell you one thing, they RAISE the temperature, A LOT, and things only cool down to ambient temp when all the body heat is gone. It gets ugly. Charlie Kirk WAS the "no fear" future. He fought with words, not insults, not fists, not bullets. Just WORDS. I've not watched a ton of his longer form interviews but I'm curious if he was ever debated into a change of opinion.

 

[Drew1440]

Destiny himself got a death threats from a far-left streamer. You would think he would know better.

 

[Antwix]

 

[calico]

'The assassinations will continue until you lower the temperature'

 

[Antwix]

'The assassinations will continue until you lower the temperature'

tldr : "accept our ideologies or else"