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[crazepharmacist]

This is hilarious.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

It's a bit of an absurdity to compare "you cannot celebrate a killing" to the kinds of aggressive cancellation of political views that has been one of the core projects of the left for year.

There is a categorical difference here.

Under left cultural rule, stating widely held views on how laws should be (eg. we shouldn't have affirmative action) or how reality is interpreted (noting that trans women are in fact men, etc) could easily mean aggressive removal of your job, your ability to use all major online platforms, even payments systems. That is actual suppression of viewpoints.

What we have right now is a different situation. Murder/assassination is a felony--actually the highest offense of all. To openly celebrate that or say that "people with certain views actually deserve murder" etc is not a political viewpoint, it is to openly call for the highest crime of all. It's an act of supporting breaking the highest and most heinous of all criminal laws, murder.

if someone with even the slightest public or teaching role says the the murder of Kirk was good, yes they no longer deserve the right to hold any public position or authority whatsoever going forward.

 

[Lord Panda]

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[EviLore]

Historically/traditionally, far-right or extreme right was defined as anarchy or complete free market capitalism.(no state/gov control,zero government taxation)

Far-left was defined as fascist/authoritism/communism.(complete state control, 100% taxation, no private property/land ownership)

What really spread confusion in western definitions, was classifing the Nazis(hard-left socialist) as far-right, mainly to appease the Soviets, and as western nations became more secular, they classified religions as right-wing, 'charitable' organizations.
(Whereas I'd argue, most major religions are collectivist(left-wing) in nature.)
This shifted liberals,who were traditionally right-wing(advocating for indivdual rights and liberties) and less religious, over to the left in peoples minds.(I consider myself as a centre right liberal)

Edit: Also the US government legally classified coporations as 'individuals' giving them the same/similar rights and benifits as its citizens.

Right-wing adcovates for individual rights and liberties.

Left-wing adcovates for collective rights/governmental power.

Edit 2: sorry for any thread derailment and for getting super political.

On a modern political compass, we would map communism to the authoritarian left and fascism to the authoritarian right.

We place communism on the far left due to seeking ideological purity and, on paper, advocating for equality of outcome, abolition of personal property, borders, etc. Fascism can be placed on the far right due to seeking racial purity and being deeply hierarchical, hyper-national, rejecting egalitarianism, etc.

Despite being on opposite ends of the left-right spectrum, they end up closely resembling each other in practice due to necessitating a state of tyranny and subjugation to keep in effect.


Winston Churchill said it well:

"There are two strange facts about these non-God religions. The first is their extraordinary resemblance to one another. Nazi-ism and Communism imagine themselves as exact opposites. They are at each other's throats wherever they exist all over the world. They actually breed each other; for the reaction of Communism is Nazi-ism, and beneath Nazi-ism or Fascism, Communism stirs convulsively. Yet they are similar in all essentials.

First of all, their simplicity is remarkable. You leave out God and put in the Devil; you leave out love and put in hate; and everything thereafter works quite straightforwardly and logically. They are, in fact, as alike as two peas. Tweedledum and Tweedledee are two quite distinctive personalities compared to these two rival religions.

I am reminded of the North Pole and the South Pole. They are at opposite ends of the earth, but if you woke up at either pole tomorrow morning you could not tell which one it was. Perhaps there might be penguins at one, or perhaps polar bears at the other; but all around would be ice and snow and the blast of a biting wind.

I have made up my mind, however far I may travel, whatever countries I may see, I will not go to the Arctic or to the Antarctic regions. Give me London, give me Paris, give me New York, give me some of the beautiful capitals of the British dominions. Let us go somewhere where our breath is not frozen on our lips because of the secret police. Let us go somewhere where there are green pastures and the shade of venerable trees. Let us not wander away from the broad fertile fields of freedom into these gaunt, grim, dim, gloomy abstractions of sterile thought.

There are, of course, differences between the dictatorships. Yet they are largely discounted by one significant fact. It is easy to imagine Mussolini or Hitler as head of a Communist state, or Stalin as Fascist Duce or Fuehrer. Nothing in Communism or Fascism, as we know them, or in the characters and records of these three men, makes such a situation incredible."

-Winston Churchill, The Infernal Twins

 

[captainnapalm]

If the left suddenly wants to bang the free speech drum after being against it for years, let them. Of course, it's totally phony, but even if they have to pretend, it will be of value to everyone else.

People forget how bad things were from a free speech point of view before Elon Musk bought Twitter and Trump won the election. There wasn't a single place where you could speak freely about anything the left decided they didn't want you speaking freely about. The whole world was like Reddit basically. They banned a sitting president from speaking online based on made-up charges. The Biden administration tried to set up its own 'Disinfo' department to police speech, led by a crazy woke cat lady named Nina Jankowicz. Anyone even remotely conservative was no-platformed. Hundreds of people who were at January 6 were given prison sentences whether they were violent or not, based on whether they posted things about election fraud on their Facebook account - the same repressive speech culture that still exists in the UK now. The whole system basically enabled these people to run around like bullies and do what they want. Speaking out against it was enough to get you totally ostracised. Only a handful of people like Musk or Jordan Peterson even had the courage or strength to stand up to it - and they still paid a big price.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

On a modern political compass, we would map communism to the authoritarian left and fascism to the authoritarian right.

We place communism on the far left due to seeking ideological purity and, on paper, advocating for equality of outcome, abolition of personal property, borders, etc. Fascism can be placed on the far right due to seeking racial purity and being deeply hierarchical, hyper-national, rejecting egalitarianism, etc.

Despite being on opposite ends of the left-right spectrum, they end up closely resembling each other in practice due to necessitating a state of tyranny and subjugation to keep in effect.


Winston Churchill said it well:

"There are two strange facts about these non-God religions. The first is their extraordinary resemblance to one another. Nazi-ism and Communism imagine themselves as exact opposites. They are at each other's throats wherever they exist all over the world. They actually breed each other; for the reaction of Communism is Nazi-ism, and beneath Nazi-ism or Fascism, Communism stirs convulsively. Yet they are similar in all essentials.

First of all, their simplicity is remarkable. You leave out God and put in the Devil; you leave out love and put in hate; and everything thereafter works quite straightforwardly and logically. They are, in fact, as alike as two peas. Tweedledum and Tweedledee are two quite distinctive personalities compared to these two rival religions.

I am reminded of the North Pole and the South Pole. They are at opposite ends of the earth, but if you woke up at either pole tomorrow morning you could not tell which one it was. Perhaps there might be penguins at one, or perhaps polar bears at the other; but all around would be ice and snow and the blast of a biting wind.

I have made up my mind, however far I may travel, whatever countries I may see, I will not go to the Arctic or to the Antarctic regions. Give me London, give me Paris, give me New York, give me some of the beautiful capitals of the British dominions. Let us go somewhere where our breath is not frozen on our lips because of the secret police. Let us go somewhere where there are green pastures and the shade of venerable trees. Let us not wander away from the broad fertile fields of freedom into these gaunt, grim, dim, gloomy abstractions of sterile thought.

There are, of course, differences between the dictatorships. Yet they are largely discounted by one significant fact. It is easy to imagine Mussolini or Hitler as head of a Communist state, or Stalin as Fascist Duce or Fuehrer. Nothing in Communism or Fascism, as we know them, or in the characters and records of these three men, makes such a situation incredible."

-Winston Churchill, The Infernal Twins

God bless Churchill for actually keeping fascism and Nazism separate. It boils my blood that these days the two are used interchangeably and thrown around like they mean nothing.

 

[ProtoByte]

If the left suddenly wants to bang the free speech drum after being against it for years, let them. Of course, it's totally phony, but even if they have to pretend, it will be of value to everyone else.

People forget how bad things were from a free speech point of view before Elon Musk bought Twitter and Trump won the election. There wasn't a single place where you could speak freely about anything the left decided they didn't want you speaking freely about. The whole world was like Reddit basically. They banned a sitting president from speaking online based on made-up charges. The Biden administration tried to set up its own 'Disinfo' department to police speech, led by a crazy woke cat lady named Nina Jankowicz. Anyone even remotely conservative was no-platformed. Hundreds of people who were at January 6 were given prison sentences whether they were violent or not, based on whether they posted things about election fraud on their Facebook account - the same repressive speech culture that still exists in the UK now. The whole system basically enabled these people to run around like bullies and do what they want. Speaking out against it was enough to get you totally ostracised. Only a handful of people like Musk or Jordan Peterson even had the courage or strength to stand up to it - and they still paid a big price.

This is all true.

The people in power on the right are showing very little integrity to prevent themselves from going down the same path.

 

[captainnapalm]

This is all true.

The people in power on the right are showing very little integrity to prevent themselves from going down the same path.

We'll see - I'm not seeing enough evidence here to suggest there was any plot here. The company that ditched Kimmel, Nexstar, released a statement that did not seem like they were being coerced at all - they seemed genuinely angry. So I think some of this is just natural blowback. No credible evidence ever emerged with Colbert either. The closest thing I've seen is that both companies have pending mergers and are doing this to curry favour with the Trump administration, which I guess could be true, but that would be more of a business decision, and again there's no evidence to suggest quid pro quo is going on.

 

[Radical_3d]

Millions well spend…

Democrats blow millions to study ‘American Men’ in bid to win back working class

Party leaders are holing up in luxury hotel rooms on a strategy codenamed SAM, or “Speaking with American Men: A Strategic Plan” to try and convince working-class to vote their way again, according to a report.

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Jinzo Prime]

On a modern political compass, we would map communism to the authoritarian left and fascism to the authoritarian right.

We place communism on the far left due to seeking ideological purity and, on paper, advocating for equality of outcome, abolition of personal property, borders, etc. Fascism can be placed on the far right due to seeking racial purity and being deeply hierarchical, hyper-national, rejecting egalitarianism, etc.

Despite being on opposite ends of the left-right spectrum, they end up closely resembling each other in practice due to necessitating a state of tyranny and subjugation to keep in effect.


Winston Churchill said it well:

"There are two strange facts about these non-God religions. The first is their extraordinary resemblance to one another. Nazi-ism and Communism imagine themselves as exact opposites. They are at each other's throats wherever they exist all over the world. They actually breed each other; for the reaction of Communism is Nazi-ism, and beneath Nazi-ism or Fascism, Communism stirs convulsively. Yet they are similar in all essentials.

First of all, their simplicity is remarkable. You leave out God and put in the Devil; you leave out love and put in hate; and everything thereafter works quite straightforwardly and logically. They are, in fact, as alike as two peas. Tweedledum and Tweedledee are two quite distinctive personalities compared to these two rival religions.

I am reminded of the North Pole and the South Pole. They are at opposite ends of the earth, but if you woke up at either pole tomorrow morning you could not tell which one it was. Perhaps there might be penguins at one, or perhaps polar bears at the other; but all around would be ice and snow and the blast of a biting wind.

I have made up my mind, however far I may travel, whatever countries I may see, I will not go to the Arctic or to the Antarctic regions. Give me London, give me Paris, give me New York, give me some of the beautiful capitals of the British dominions. Let us go somewhere where our breath is not frozen on our lips because of the secret police. Let us go somewhere where there are green pastures and the shade of venerable trees. Let us not wander away from the broad fertile fields of freedom into these gaunt, grim, dim, gloomy abstractions of sterile thought.

There are, of course, differences between the dictatorships. Yet they are largely discounted by one significant fact. It is easy to imagine Mussolini or Hitler as head of a Communist state, or Stalin as Fascist Duce or Fuehrer. Nothing in Communism or Fascism, as we know them, or in the characters and records of these three men, makes such a situation incredible."

-Winston Churchill, The Infernal Twins

Can we have leaders like this again? Holy moly, we need to demand better politicians; Starmer, Trump and Carney are complete jokes. The art of rhetoric is lost.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Can we have leaders like this again? Holy moly, we need to demand better politicians; Starmer, Trump and Carney are complete jokes. The art of rhetoric is lost.

It's funny you say this because during the all-too-recent Peak Woke era, they tried to cancel Winston Churchill for being a racist and a bigot

We shall fight on the beaches - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This was their finest hour - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[StueyDuck]

So, I just graduated from UW and I can tell you I never witnessed any brainwashing in any of my classes. Professors were open to debate, students were open to debate and everything was civil and respectful. Now granted I did not major in gender studies, <insert race here> studies, or any other sociological study. My degree is in Psychology with a ton of research group work and not a single time did I hear anything derogatory from anyone about anyone.

Granted, you could be talking about online, in the shadows type things, but I'm giving you what I have literally recently witnessed.

You only realise how dumb most lecturers and professors are and how useless university is once you're out in the work force.

Give it a few years, trust me.

 

[Madserb2023]

This is all true.

The people in power on the right are showing very little integrity to prevent themselves from going down the same path.

It depends on whether it was Disney's decision which they have the right to. I live in Europe and if I said something publicly my boss didn't like I would be fired. Seen it a couple of times personally and these instances occurred 20 years ago. The other issue is that even though the defence is that he's just a comedian, influencing the discussion around an ongoing criminal case is not deemed OK anywhere. It's illegal in many countries. This is an active case and mainstream channels like ABC can't come out and make claims that could influence the potential jury. You can't stop You Tube influences but regulated mainstream organizations whether it's ABC, the BBC in the UK, or France 24 can't do this. This isn't a new thing.

 

[GymWolf]

Yes they should, if you are knowingly harboring a rapist in your neighborhood and not telling anyone "hey that mans a rapist". That is an issue.

The attitude of do nothing, magic will save the day hasn't helped. I don't see what's so controversial about people who are LGBT or people who are left wing calling out and criticizing the nutters who tell they world they associate with them.

If a rapist was running around and telling everyone he's my bud i'd do everything in my power to disassociate with the person and ensure everyone that I want nothing to do with him.

Calling out someone in your neighbour is not like patrolling the street tho.

The attitude of doing nothing...what do you think they would achieve by being vocal?

Hey guys look, most gay, lesbian and trans are not like these nutjobs.

Normal, well adjusted people already know that, and the right extremists\real racists are not gonna give a fuck about their statement.

So i don't know what you think they are gonna achieve by just saying that they are different from the crazy pack.

And sure as hell no gay or lesbian is gonna patrol the street to stop the dangerous ones because again, it's not their damn job.

 

[Loope]

God bless Churchill for actually keeping fascism and Nazism separate. It boils my blood that these days the two are used interchangeably and thrown around like they mean nothing.

They're shit either way and shouldn't be present in any country, ever. The only people i see hadwaving fascism are the ones that never lived in a country where that shit was present. I remember the stories my grandparents told and my parents, they were 20 when we got rid of that fucking cancer. If you want to "attack" the left just talk about communism, everyone knows it was way worse tha Fascism and Nazism combined.

 

[calico]

It doesn't really matter whether Kimmel was fired based purely on a business decision or not when you have the FCC publicly threatening free speech and the president saying he's going after broadcasters who are critical of him.

We can get into the weeds and track the timing of who said what and when the firing took place but that is irrelevant when the government has taken their hats off and are literally telling you what they are doing

The timing and order of events matters if people wish to make the claim that this specific firing was a direct consequence of government interference.

As for the interference itself, I think there is a difference between a government agency saying 'if you keep flouting rule x we will have to enforce rule x', and other examples we have seen where government is implying there will be negative consequences for something which is beyond their purview in the first place.

It has already been thoroughly established that 1A is not absolute when it comes to use of the public airwaves (because they are a limited resource), and that the FCC has a role to play in making sure they are being used for the public interest. It is 'threatening' to perform one of the roles it exists to perform.

With regards Trump's comments about 97% of coverage being negative towards him, I don't know if that's true or not, but if it were true that the use of the public airwaves is skewed that heavily in one direction over a long period of time, that would also be a problem which would require addressing imo. The public airwaves should be used in a way which at least somewhat reflects the alignment of the public. The same principle behind the equal-time rule but at an overall level.

 

[Madserb2023]

They're shit either way and shouldn't be present in any country, ever. The only people i see hadwaving fascism are the ones that never lived in a country where that shit was present. I remember the stories my grandparents told and my parents, they were 20 when we got rid of that fucking cancer. If you want to "attack" the left just talk about communism, everyone knows it was way worse tha Fascism and Nazism combined.

They are both bad but it's academically honest to separate it. Communism is not the same as Stalinism for instance. Nazism was an offshoot of Fascism which was broadly about the merger of corporations and the state. Obviously Franco didn't believe in Aryan superiority. Mussolini would kill you for thinking differently but he didn't care what race you were. If fact he thought Hitler was very strange. Nazism was the combination of Facism and German cultural views on racial attitudes art, architecture etc. This is what people refer when they mention fascism. Franco wasn't a nice guy for different reasons but he didn't care about German values or have an issue with flat roofs. It would be better to just call someone racist than a Nazi because Nazism is actually a set of beliefs and I doubt the KKK care about architecture.

 

[DrFigs]

The FCC narrative is falling apart even faster than all the other post-Charlie Kirk Democrat narratives

Edit: The FCC guy made unacceptable comments. I would say it's embarrassing anyone defended them.

 

[Punished Miku]

 

[Mohonky]

......... and I doubt the KKK care about architecture.

They do seem to care about the architecture of those silly pointed hats they have though.

Anyway, the whole Jimmy Kimmel thing is a farce. His comment was innocuous at worst. I mean if the quote is in context and theres not something else said that is being misrepresented here its a big nothing burger.

 

[Loope]

They are both bad but it's academically honest to separate it. Communism is not the same as Stalinism for instance. Nazism was an offshoot of Fascism which was broadly about the merger of corporations and the state. Obviously Franco didn't believe in Aryan superiority. Mussolini would kill you for thinking differently but he didn't care what race you were. If fact he thought Hitler was very strange. Nazism was the combination of Facism and German cultural views on racial attitudes art, architecture etc. This is what people refer when they mention fascism. Franco wasn't a nice guy for different reasons but he didn't care about German values or have an issue with flat roofs. It would be better to just call someone racist than a Nazi because Nazism is actually a set of beliefs and I doubt the KKK care about architecture.

In europe we always separated them, always. No one sane enough would believe they're the same, Nazism is way more radicalized than Fascism, but it is not and never was on the other side of the spectrum, they're both shit, in fact i would argue that Communism the way it was implemented in pretty much anywhere in the world was worse then Fascism.

I know these concepts have been diluted because people call fascism to basically anything they don't agree with and that's just borderline idiotic. I wouldn't say, for example, Trump is a fascist, i don't agree with the man in several things but he is not a fascist. Using the guard to control a city is a page from a fascists book,but that doesn't make him one.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Is anyone on the right capable of having an honest thought?

Not sure. Ask Charlie Kirk.

 

[DrFigs]

It's just so fascinating that the FCC guy can go around and do podcasts about how they have to target these shows for their political content and re-evaluate whether they can air and that Jimmy Kimmel's show is just the start. But that we're supposed to ignore these threats from the government, because ... well i'm not really sure why. The FCC guy made his his threat to ABC on some podcast at 1 PM, and the Kimmel Show was suspended a few hours later. You can check this for yourself. If you want to argue that the events are unrelated, it's whatever. It is a factually true statement that the show was suspended after the FCC put pressure on the network. I also happen to think his comments were unacceptable for a man in his position.

 

[calico]

Remember Joe Scarborough and his wife also had to be benched after one of the Trump assassination attempts because they couldn't be trusted not to say something incendiary and retarded. Kimmel shows the wisdom of that decision.

These leftist fundamentalist propagandists are useful to their employers most of the time, but they are so defined by it that they are incapable of showing any decency or restraint at times when that would be appropriate, such as when their side has just assassinated someone.

 

[DrFigs]

Remember Joe Scarborough and his wife also had to be benched after one of the Trump assassination attempts because they couldn't be trusted not to say something incendiary and retarded. Kimmel shows the wisdom of that decision.

These leftist fundamentalist propagandists are useful to their employers most of the time, but they are so defined by it that they are incapable of showing any decency or restraint at times when that would be appropriate, such as when their side has just assassinated someone.

You're saying complete nonsense about "their side". The man who shot Trump was a registered republican, and his classmates said he was conservative. I'm sorry that you've convinced yourself that only democrats can act this way. But it's not true. You should also look up the jokes that conservatives made about Paul Pelosi and the minnesota state dems.

Edit:
Here's Trump making fun of the attack on Paul Pelosi, and an audience of Trump supporters laughing at it : https://www.c-span.org/clip/campaign-2024/user-clip-trump-mocks-paul-pelosi-attack/5124885
Here's the president's son, making fun of Paul Pelosi: https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-jr-mocks-paul-114116350.html
Here's a sitting senator making fun of the murder of a democratic state senator and his wife: https://minnesotareformer.com/brief...roversial-x-posts-after-widespread-criticism/

Notice that these aren't just nobodies on twitter.

 

[Trilobit]

I'm quite new to the FCC subject, but looked up the conservative viewpoints on National Review. Of course there's diverse thoughts on it on the right, but NR is usually quite balanced.

Of Course the FCC Is Abusing Its Power over Broadcasting | National Review

It has done so before, and so long as it retains its power, it will do it again.

www.nationalreview.com

Abolish the FCC | National Review

Rather than fantasizing about using government power to punish the left, Republicans should foreclose the possibility of future suppression.

www.nationalreview.com

The FCC exerts power over broadcasters by threatening to revoke their licenses. These licenses exist based on the legal fiction that the federal government owns the airwaves because broadcast frequencies are scarce. This scarcity logic does not apply to other scarce resources (i.e., nearly all resources), and there's no reason for it to apply to broadcast frequencies. And while it was true in 1934 when the FCC was founded that broadcast frequencies were scarce, modern technology such as cable TV, satellite radio, and online streaming now means that broadcasting is effectively unlimited — and the FCC doesn't regulate those newer technologies, where free speech reigns.

There's some interesting background on FCC if one cares to read to get some wider context.

 

[Madserb2023]

You're saying complete nonsense about "their side". The man who shot Trump was a registered republican, and his classmates said he was conservative. I'm sorry that you've convinced yourself that only democrats can act this way. But it's not true. You should also look up the jokes that conservatives made about Paul Pelosi and the minnesota state dems.

When it comes to the killer, anyone can be a psycho irrespective of political views. However, it's the reaction to it that I don get. Reminds me of people claiming to be for women's rights calling for the same thing to happen to JK Rowling. I don't know know how you can claim to be liberal get off on the assassination and order a take away in celebration. That's like John Casey level of emotional depravity. I think conservatives are absolutely wrong to do it as well. I just don't understand how somebody can be liberal and think like this.

 

[DrFigs]

When it comes to the killer, anyone can be a psycho irrespective of political views. However, it's the reaction to it that I don get. Reminds me of people claiming to be for women's rights calling for the same thing to happen to JK Rowling. I don't know know how you can claim to be liberal get off on the assassination and order a take away in celebration. That's like John Casey level of emotional depravity. I think conservatives are absolutely wrong to do it as well. I just don't understand how somebody can be liberal and think like this.

My issue is that I think there is an asymmetry. I think when the conservative Trump supporter killed the state dems, we didn't see democrats come together and collectively blame all republicans. The same is true when a conservative tried to kidnap Nancy Pelosi (and ended up attacking her husband). There is a difference in demeanor in the parties. We immediately saw conservatives blame "the left" and democrats specifically before Kirk's body turned cold and way before we knew anything about the shooter. Even now they do this when we do know a bit about the shooter. He didn't appear to be affiliated with democrats in any way, and somehow we're still blamed for his individual action. I, of course agree, that it's unfortunate that anybody celebrated Kirk's death. It's wrong when people on the left do it and when people on the right do it. But I just think there's a lack of seriousness in this conversation if we can't admit for a second that actually, conservatives did the same thing not that long ago.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

But I just think there's a lack of seriousness in this conversation if we can't admit for a second that actually, conservatives did the same thing not that long ago.

How about instead of willy waving and whataboutisms, take everything that's happening as a step to stopping it.

You have to start somewhere, right?

 

[Metroid]

Historically/traditionally, far-right or extreme right was defined as anarchy or complete free market capitalism.(no state/gov control,zero government taxation)

Far-left was defined as fascist/authoritism/communism.(complete state control, 100% taxation, no private property/land ownership)

What really spread confusion in western definitions, was classifing the Nazis(hard-left socialist) as far-right, mainly to appease the Soviets, and as western nations became more secular, they classified religions as right-wing, 'charitable' organizations.
(Whereas I'd argue, most major religions are collectivist(left-wing) in nature.)
This shifted liberals,who were traditionally right-wing(advocating for indivdual rights and liberties) and less religious, over to the left in peoples minds.(I consider myself as a centre right liberal)

Edit: Also the US government legally classified coporations as 'individuals' giving them the same/similar rights and benifits as its citizens.

Right-wing adcovates for individual rights and liberties.

Left-wing adcovates for collective rights/governmental power.

Edit 2: sorry for any thread derailment and for getting super political.

I would strongly advise you to read into the definitions, because basically of this is fundamentally wrong.

 

[MarV0]

I would strongly advise you to read into the definitions, because basically of this is fundamentally wrong.

Especially when definitions, movements and causes change over time, become hijacked and taken over.

Fascism emerged as a right wing ideology but these days fascism is associated with the left.

Another perfect example is feminism which had some minor points to make in the 1900s, feminism these days is pure poison.

I used to consider myself a liberal but nowadays I want nothing to do with those freaks.

 

[Punished Miku]

But I just think there's a lack of seriousness in this conversation if we can't admit for a second that actually, conservatives did the same thing not that long ago.

They're not stupid. They're liars.

They know how to complain about government overreach, free speech, collective blame. It doesn't have to be explained to them. They're purposely pushing through as much draconian stuff as they can now because its their chance. They are actually fascists. Democracy isn't some passive thing that just exists automatically. You have to live in a society that supports and protects freedom of the press, and puts value of the people having a voice as sacred. They don't value these things. They value power, and will do anything they can to get it. There is no lack of seriousness. They know what they're doing. They know what they're supporting. They love it.

Hypocrisy is literally one of their favorite things. Just remember the reactions when they blocked Obama's supreme court nominee then instantly admitted they were lying and pushed through theirs? They were so proud of their tactic working. They do it on purpose and the lack of seriousness is not realizing it. The FCC chair is posting Jack Nicholson gifs because of how proud he is that the hypocrisy worked again. It's true pride. They LOVE it. Debating with people like that is losing, because you're debating a lie. Good luck with that. Didn't even work with pedophilia and Epstein in the most insanely obvious case possible. It is literally a waste of your time, and they win when you waste your time pretending they are telling the truth.

They literally are famous for pushing "the big lie." They know it was a lie, Trump knew it was a lie, they all know it is a lie and they laugh at you because you still don't realize it.

 

[calico]

Abolishing the FCC is an option, and their proposed alternative is that a given station would simply own a frequency like someone might own a piece of land, and the only government role would be in making sure others don't infringe upon that frequency.

The question is, how would a station come to 'own' a frequency? Presumably we would have to start from a position that the government owns it (or is acting on behalf of the general public ownership), and is selling it.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

He was apparently fired due to threats from the head of the FCC who Trump hired, so sort of.

You know there are some things that are easy to theorize or maybe try to have some conspiracy about and while the left has gotten away for years with their slander, what Kimmel said was factually false and in an insensitive time to say it, those kind of jokes are not in good taste. Should have been fired? I'm not sure but ratings and, let's face it, the guy is just not funny.

All of this has built up into a snowball of the left continuing to have a monopoly on information distribution and still have a lot of corruption with the education systems. And I have kids in the education systems as and I've seen it.

I think the left has pushed Way beyond the boundaries they should have ever been allowed to have and pushed a bunch of bullshit and it's about time conservatives got a little bit more vocal but not violent like the left. You don't hear a lot of people saying to smack them in the face and what you see with the left. And if there's any Democrats here that align with that, you need to realize and look at your television and what you see in these protests. A bunch of older, oftentimes white, older people or people with colored hair and nose rings and all this other stupid crap, people that have been taught to think that way by the media and to some degree education.

And you know why that's mostly true, I'm the way I am. I'm a rational person that is watch too much bullshit go way too far and enough is enough.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

They're not stupid. They're liars.

They know how to complain about government overreach, free speech, collective blame. It doesn't have to be explained to them. They're purposely pushing through as much draconian stuff as they can now because its their chance. They are actually fascists. Democracy isn't some passive thing that just exists automatically. You have to live in a society that supports and protects freedom of the press, and puts value of the people having a voice as sacred. They don't value these things. They value power, and will do anything they can to get it. There is no lack of seriousness. They know what they're doing. They know what they're supporting. They love it.

Hypocrisy is literally one of their favorite things. Just remember the reactions when they blocked Obama's supreme court nominee then instantly admitted they were lying and pushed through theirs? They were so proud of their tactic working. They do it on purpose and the lack of seriousness is not realizing it. Debating with people like that is losing, because you're debating a lie. Good luck with that. Didn't even work with pedophilia and Epstein in the most insanely obvious case possible. It is literally a waste of your time, and they win when you waste your time pretending they are telling the truth.

This speech would have been fine 20, maybe 15, years ago. Now, it's just opportunism. Western society has devolved into straight up fascism in every previously democratic country, all of them pushed by leftist organizations whose overreach is far bigger than the POTUS and any other government. Globalists have fucked us up but it's been the left who slept with them. During COVID, the social media censorship reached totalitarian levels with official truths that nobody in his right mind would believe. The cancel culture has been born IN the left. And now you realize those things are not nice? Welcome to the world that was created 10 years ago, not now.

A famous spanish writer said that a restrictive law is like a gun that someone leaves in the street. You can't complain if the Right picks it up and uses it.

 

[Embearded]

You only realise how dumb most lecturers and professors are and how useless university is once you're out in the work force.

Give it a few years, trust me.

I keep seeing this coming up ever now and then, even Charlie said it.
Is this an American thing? Why do people devalue university that much?

Where i am from, University is free as long as you can score high enough in the nationals and get a spot.
We learn stuff that is pretty difficult to learn on your own and me personally as an embedded software engineer, i use on a daily basis what i learned during my studies and i could not have just learned them on the job. My employee would have to pay me for years to not be productive but just learn.

 

[Madserb2023]

My issue is that I think there is an asymmetry. I think when the conservative Trump supporter killed the state dems, we didn't see democrats come together and collectively blame all republicans. The same is true when a conservative tried to kidnap Nancy Pelosi (and ended up attacking her husband). There is a difference in demeanor in the parties. We immediately saw conservatives blame "the left" and democrats specifically before Kirk's body turned cold and way before we knew anything about the shooter. Even now they do this when we do know a bit about the shooter. He didn't appear to be affiliated with democrats in any way, and somehow we're still blamed for his individual action. I, of course agree, that it's unfortunate that anybody celebrated Kirk's death. It's wrong when people on the left do it and when people on the right do it. But I just think there's a lack of seriousness in this conversation if we can't admit for a second that actually, conservatives did the same thing not that long ago.

Yes, but that's why people shouldn't defend the response. The left can't claim the right is cold and uncaring, yet celebrate murder. If somebody who was a misogynist thought it was OK for JK Rowling to be murdered, you wouldn't you use that as excuse for people who claim to be feminist to think the same. You are either liberal or not. I sse a lot of this whole the other side does this. However, by definition you are no longer liberal if copy iliberal attitudes. There is no political benefit here. You are just throwing away the difference that is claimed.

 

[calico]

You have to live in a society that supports and protects freedom of the press, and puts value of the people having a voice as sacred. They don't value these things.

Polling suggests Democrats are significantly more likely than Republicans to support restrictions on free speech.

The last Democrat regime created a Disinformation Governance Board.

Nice try though.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Polling suggests Democrats are significantly more likely than Republicans to support restrictions on free speech.

The last Democrat regime created a Disinformation Governance Board.

Nice try though.

The word "disinformation" itself is a propaganda word created by the leftist media to demonize every individual who disagrees with the OFFICIAL TRUTHS in every hot topic: women rights, climate, immigration, etc.

Covid was a great rehearsal time to introduce this magical word that is thrown around today as an artificial part of our culture that we have accepted like sheep (The official Right included) instead of fighting it. "Misinformation" and "negationist" are the dog whistles to call someone who opposes the government and their media apparatus.

 

[violence]

I think Jimmy Kimmel will be happier no longer being regulated by the FCC.

 

[Trilobit]

. The cancel culture has been born IN the left. And now you realize those things are not nice? Welcome to the world that was created 10 years ago, not now.

They have been doing it for years and now that the right gives them a taste of consequence culture for a few days they think it's the end of the world. It's like a bully who's been punching people for years and finally gets punched back and is shocked at how much it hurts and paints himself as the victim.

 

[Critical Hit]

This is how you win votes

This will not ease the situation.

There is a categorical difference here.

Tell that on some biggest subreddiits. I don't know why, but conservatives are not represented there almost at all.

Even now they do this when we do know a bit about the shooter. He didn't appear to be affiliated with democrats in any way, and somehow we're still blamed for his -individual action.

Other than being pro-trans rights, which is a banner of every woke-leftist.

making fun of the attack

It's bad, but it's obviously not the same as a murder.

and his classmates said he was conservative.

And his republican parents said he was lean left. Am I missing something - are the conservatives are the ones who dating transgenders and love furry stuff?

You have to live in a society that supports and protects freedom of the press, and puts value of the people having a voice as sacred. They don't value these things.

Yeah, I remember how dems valued "homophobic/transphobic" social posts, and how they supported Trump's freedom of speech, so he needed to create a social network for himself. Both sides do/did this, don't act like nobody has a memory here.

 

[Punished Miku]

They have been doing it for years and now that the right gives them a taste of consequence culture for a few days they think it's the end of the world. It's like a bully who's been punching people for years and finally gets punched back and is shocked at how much it hurts and paints himself as the victim.

They, they, they. I've been here. I supported all the right wing arguments to make social media a public utility. I always have been against cancel culture. I always criticized radical feminists.

It's you that are now supporting what you claimed to stand against all these years. Again, years of lying. Years. Your best argument is that you are now exactly like the worst parts of the left imaginable, but it's fine because they did it first. And that's your best argument, that you're a massive hypocrite that is anti-free speech, pro cancel culture, that you have zero integrity and you're a liar. But you did it second. Great defense.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

I keep seeing this coming up ever now and then, even Charlie said it.
Is this an American thing? Why do people devalue university that much?

No idea, why do they?

These mysteries keep piling up

 

[calico]

He didn't appear to be affiliated with democrats in any way

Other than carving Democrat talking points into his bullet casings, sure.

 

[calico]

 

[Punished Miku]

No idea, why do they?

These mysteries keep piling up

Did this guy say something stupid? I never watched that debate.

Please tell me that you're not just posting a picture of a completely normal looking black kid and acting like that is why universities are not respected. Kirk is a multimillionaire in a nice suit that few in college could ever afford. A multimillionaire from massive political lobbying money given to him to spread whatever talking points they want.

 

[crazepharmacist]

so apparently the FCC has done something similar before. They fined Howard Stern in the past but for things like obscenity or profanity. Not for misinformation or things they disagreed with. What happened to Kimmel and what the commissioner and Trump said will happen to other broadcasters they disagree with seems like a violation of first amendment principles.