The artful mincer
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Chris Dring: 'Astro Bot's UK launch is solid. First week sales are 21% higher than the debut of Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart'
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Cakeboxer
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Whats the competition in September or the jump and run competition in general? This gen is pretty dry.
DeepEnigma
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kazuyamishima
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
ShroDringer's sales.
Probably more like a 300-400% considering in mid 2021 there was probably less than 15 mil consoles sold and we are at 60 million worldwide now.
IMO this seems weak. But what the hell do I know?!
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Looks like my estimate earlier was right. So far 4M PS5s sold in UK LTD.
Going by my earlier post, by summer 2021, UK sales were probably not even 1M. So right now there should be about 4x (or more) UK PS5s than when R&C launched. So if Astro has only sold 21% more units in week one, that's terrible.
Then again, is R&C even a game that is reasonable to compare against? Just because it's a cartoony action game too so it's the best comparable?
www.gamesindustry.biz
Going by my earlier post, by summer 2021, UK sales were probably not even 1M. So right now there should be about 4x (or more) UK PS5s than when R&C launched. So if Astro has only sold 21% more units in week one, that's terrible.
Then again, is R&C even a game that is reasonable to compare against? Just because it's a cartoony action game too so it's the best comparable?
PS5 hits 4m UK sales, 31 weeks slower than PS4
PlayStation 5 has now sold through four million consoles in the UK, GfK data reveals. It's the ninth console to achieve…
www.gamesindustry.biz
Heisenberg007
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- Ratchet had sold 2.7 million copies by February 2022.
- Total revenue (as of then) was $145 million
- Total costs (dev + marketing) was $81 million
- Profit (as of Feb. 2022) was $64 million. Profitability = 79%.
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GHG
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Looks like my estimate earlier was right. So far 4M PS5s sold in UK LTD.
Going by my earlier post, by summer 2021, UK sales were probably not even 1M. So right now there should be about 4x (or more) UK PS5s than when R&C launched. So if Astro has only sold 21% more units in week one, that's terrible.
Then again, is R&C even a game that is reasonable to compare against? Just because it's a cartoony action game too so it's the best comparable?
PS5 hits 4m UK sales, 31 weeks slower than PS4
PlayStation 5 has now sold through four million consoles in the UK, GfK data reveals. It's the ninth console to achieve…
Going to keep on repeating yourself until you get attention?
StreetsofBeige
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GHG
Gold Member
Yes, if you want to use nonsensical logic that involves ignoring the fact that Ratchet and Clank was the 10th game in a franchise that dates back to 2002.
Why stop there? Let's start comparing it to the first week of sales for the latest Mario release. Absolutely awful, pull it from sale immediately.
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DForce
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Looks like my estimate earlier was right. So far 4M PS5s sold in UK LTD.
Going by my earlier post, by summer 2021, UK sales were probably not even 1M. So right now there should be about 4x (or more) UK PS5s than when R&C launched. So if Astro has only sold 21% more units in week one, that's terrible.
Then again, is R&C even a game that is reasonable to compare against? Just because it's a cartoony action game too so it's the best comparable?
PS5 hits 4m UK sales, 31 weeks slower than PS4
PlayStation 5 has now sold through four million consoles in the UK, GfK data reveals. It's the ninth console to achieve…
Based on your logic, Ghost of Tsushima sold about 74k units compared to Astro Bot's 59k (estimated) and PS4 in 2020 had over 7M units sold in the UK.
Again, using install base is a terrible metric. There are multiplatform games that are successful with a much larger one that barely sells around 100k in the UK.
GHG
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Spain:
www.gamereactor.es
France:
Top 10 Sales Week 36: September 2-8, 2024
- Astro Bot for PS5
- Star Wars Outlaws for PS5
- NBA 2K25 for PS5
- Mario Kart 8 Deluxe for Switch
- Red Dead Redemption 2 for PS4
- Grand Theft Auto V for PS5
- Minecraft for Switch
- Grand Theft Auto V for PS4
- Nintendo Switch Sports for Switch
- Animal Crossing: New Horizons for Switch
Ventas: Astrobot le gana la batalla "espacial" a Star Wars Outlaws, Emio sonríe y NBA 2K25 mantiene la pelota en movimiento
Tras un parón estival, retomamos la sección de ventas físicas en nuestro país haciendo un repaso a las S31, S32, S33, S34, S35 y S36 del año.
France:
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SweetTooth
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Spain:
Top 10 Sales Week 36: September 2-8, 2024
- Astro Bot for PS5
- Star Wars Outlaws for PS5
- NBA 2K25 for PS5
- Mario Kart 8 Deluxe for Switch
- Red Dead Redemption 2 for PS4
- Grand Theft Auto V for PS5
- Minecraft for Switch
- Grand Theft Auto V for PS4
- Nintendo Switch Sports for Switch
- Animal Crossing: New Horizons for Switch
Ventas: Astrobot le gana la batalla "espacial" a Star Wars Outlaws, Emio sonríe y NBA 2K25 mantiene la pelota en movimiento
Tras un parón estival, retomamos la sección de ventas físicas en nuestro país haciendo un repaso a las S31, S32, S33, S34, S35 y S36 del año.
France:
Looks like Astro is doing fantastically well !
SweetTooth
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So wait a minute?
In his first article, did this retard jump fast to report incomplete data just to show Astro as bad performing?
In his first article, did this retard jump fast to report incomplete data just to show Astro as bad performing?
Woopah
Member
Looks like my estimate earlier was right. So far 4M PS5s sold in UK LTD.
Going by my earlier post, by summer 2021, UK sales were probably not even 1M. So right now there should be about 4x (or more) UK PS5s than when R&C launched. So if Astro has only sold 21% more units in week one, that's terrible.
Then again, is R&C even a game that is reasonable to compare against? Just because it's a cartoony action game too so it's the best comparable?
PS5 hits 4m UK sales, 31 weeks slower than PS4
PlayStation 5 has now sold through four million consoles in the UK, GfK data reveals. It's the ninth console to achieve…
It doesn't work like that.
Do you think Switch games released in 2024 should have 14x higher openings than Switch games released in 2017?
He did his first tweet after GfK released their data, and then another tweet when the GSD report came out.
He reports on both trackers all the time, and would have shared Gfk data whether Astrobot was above or below Ratchet.
Edit: Just to give an example
SweetTooth
, here's Chris doing something similar with The Crew 2.
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SweetTooth
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It doesn't work like that.
Do you think Switch games released in 2024 should have 14x higher openings than Switch games released in 2017?
He did his first tweet after GfK released their data, and then another tweet when the GSD report came out.
He reports on both trackers all the time, and would have shared Gfk data whether Astrobot was above or below Ratchet.
Edit: Just to give an example
Yup, thanks for the clarification. Still don't like his mug
Woopah
Member
Which is fair enough!
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Do you think sales scale linearly with userbase?
This is one of the most unintelligible things I've ever seen someone said on this forum. And that's saying something.
Roufianos
Member
R&C also had the benefit of being more of the first PS5 exclusives, serving as the poster boy for what the SSD could do, and also launched in one of the most barren years ever. Not saying Astro did amazing but that's worth factoring in.For those of you trying to compare Astro sales to R&C vs the install base at the time, I found this article. It excludes 2024 UK PS5 sales, so you can an estimate that to the total.
UK games market breakdown 2023: £4.7 billion in revenue, PS5 sales up 55%, EA Sports FC 24 and Hogwarts Legacy dominate charts | Game World Observer
UK’s Entertainment Retailers Association (ERA) has shared its annual report on the country’s video game market. Here are the key findings about last year’s best-selling titles and consoles, as well as total consumer spend by segments.gameworldobserver.com
UK PS5 sales
2020 Not stated (maybe 300k during the Xmas rush?)
2021 1.2M
2022 0.8M
2023 1.2M
2024 Not stated (maybe 500k so far and then Xmas rush?)
So estimated total..... 300k + 1.2M + 0.8M + 1.2M + 500k = 4M? Does that sound reasonable?
So when R&C launched on PS5 in summer 2021, maybe you had 1M UK systems tops??? Take 300k + a portion of 2021.
If Astro sold only 21% more than R&C and PS5 UK install base is 4x what it was when R&C launched in 2021, that's terrible sales.
In 2021 PS5 releases were also comfortably outselling PS4 versions. The early adopters represent a large amount of the buying intent for core games.
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Orbital2060
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From install base.I think Ratchet sold around 27 k so 21 % more should be around 33 k for Astro Bot.
edit Ratchet 27k fw
https://www.installbaseforum.com/threads/uk-sales-week-36-2024-sep-01-sep-07.2979/post-273658
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StreetsofBeige
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For all you defenders, when did I say it had to scale linearly? I said if the ratio was 1:1 it would be 4x.
But there is no defending sales only being 21% higher is rough.
I'm not the guy on Twitter who started it off using R&C as the comparison. People in this thread right after the OP post were talking sales and what the UK user base is.
But there is no defending sales only being 21% higher is rough.
Dont blame me.
I'm not the guy on Twitter who started it off using R&C as the comparison. People in this thread right after the OP post were talking sales and what the UK user base is.
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darrylgorn
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Outside of gaf, no one gaf.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
"There's no defending"
You're using a dumb attach rate metric that Xbox fanboys typically use on Twitter. Sales success has always been based on the development budget.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Yeah! I’ve said some stupid shit.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
For all you defenders, when did I say it had to scale linearly? I said if the ratio was 1:1 it would be 4x.
But there is no defending sales only being 21% higher is rough.
But there is no defending sales only being 21% higher is rough.
So if that's the case, then Chris Dring comparing Astro and R&C sales, and anyone else in this thread interested in 2021 and 2024 UK console sales are dumb. Thanks.
nial
Member
Those were shipped units, actually. The game sold 3.9M units as of June 2023.
It had pretty good legs all around without any permanent price cut, especially considering that R&C 2016 got to >7M thanks to being a PlayStation Hits (at $20!) game a bit over 2 years later.
Negotiator101
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Who's who?
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
That's because Chris Dring often compares sales to similar genres
Teken 8 to Street Fighter 6
Did he use the attach rate as a metric for success? No.
Fake
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Concord and Astro Bot. Figures.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Astrobot was never going to do mario numbers. At least not yet. Sony used to know that games have to build an audience and not every game is going to be a massive 10 million success on the first try.
This is technically the first astrobot game on a non-VR system. It will have legs. This game has the potential to hit 3-5 million sales lifetime, but if they stick with the franchise, it could easily become 10-20 million in the next 5-10 years. Devs are clearly geniuses like those devs over at nintendo and they get what makes games fun, and once people find that joy they typically get from nintendo games, they will keep coming back.
Get a sequel out in the next 2-3 years and keep innovating. keep the price tag at $60 and allow the word of mouth to spread. I suspect this will be a big seller this holiday season.
This is technically the first astrobot game on a non-VR system. It will have legs. This game has the potential to hit 3-5 million sales lifetime, but if they stick with the franchise, it could easily become 10-20 million in the next 5-10 years. Devs are clearly geniuses like those devs over at nintendo and they get what makes games fun, and once people find that joy they typically get from nintendo games, they will keep coming back.
Get a sequel out in the next 2-3 years and keep innovating. keep the price tag at $60 and allow the word of mouth to spread. I suspect this will be a big seller this holiday season.
Woopah
Member
How much higher than Ratchet do you think it should have sold?
Thick Thighs Save Lives
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HeWhoWalks
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Um, they still know that.
Mr Moose
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August 2021 it hit 1M.
Kacho
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The artful mincer
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Those numbers for Ratchet are just physical.
RetroGamingUK
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What a trainwreck Sonic has become
Woopah
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It was a trainwreck, but Frontiers is the most popular 3D Sonic ever.
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mckmas8808
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How do you know this?
The artful mincer
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The quote is from earlier in the week when dring had only announced the physical sales.
Orbital2060
Member
No theyre not - I was just quoting installbase for the first week Ratchet numbers (27k).