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[mYm|17|]

OMG, i saw that coming :lol

 

[Rokam]

OMG, i saw that coming :lol

Still awesome though!

 

[quaere]

Dalton really sold Tuttle in those interviews :lol

 

[Oozer3993]

Oh fuuuuuuuuuuuu

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaat!?

I, for one, did not see that coming.

Also, what did Mary show Chuck? Another Intersect upgrade or... she didn't remove it, did she?

Edit: Oh that bitch.

 

[shawnlreed]

Best episode of Season 4.
Dalton really delivered.

 

[Solo]

OMG BEST EPISODE IN 2

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weeks

!!!!!!

Come on, Schwartz. I’m sorry, but there have been better episodes this season already, and even the woeful S3 had a few better episodes. Dalton was fantastic but his plot twist was so predictable and telegraphed that it was pointless to even set him up as the happless Tuttle. There was no way an actor that big was going to get killed off like that. It occurs to me that a problem I’m having with this season is that while it appears they are trying to recapture S2’s brilliance, they are going about it in the completely wrong manner. Instead of trying to craft something as compelling as S2, they instead are trying to copy it. The Mamma Bartowski storyline is too much like the Papa Bartowski storyline (and Linda Hamilton most certainly is no Scott Bakula), Volkov is this season’s Chevy Chase figure, and we’ve even just had one of Chuck’s parents again de-intersecting him. And WTF is up with Ellie’s car? Ghost Rider? And STILL too much relationship garbage.

- I swear that Morgan/Sarah scene was the most screentime that pairing has ever shared. They need to interact more
- Tuttle: “I had my first sexual experience to Lawrence of Arabia. I’m not proud” :lol
- Tuttle: “Oh cool, a small weapons fight!” :lol
- great scene between Mamma B and Ellie – Sarah Lancaster acted the shit out of that scene, almost entirely with her facial expressions
- did anybody honestly NOT see the Tuttle-is-Volkov twist coming? I wish they’d had the balls to actually make Dalton’s character as he first appeared, but I knew straight away he wasn’t going to be who he appeared. A damn shame, because Dalton is much more entertaining in the bumbling civilian role
- LOL CGI :lol

 

[Screaming_Gremlin]

I am going to disagree with most of what you just typed Solo. While Dalton being Volkov isn't a huge shock (although as mYm|17| said, he sold the crap out of the Tuttle character in inveterviews), I thought Dalton did a great job with it, as did Levi during the reveal. Plus it led to great scenes between him and Chuck, both as Tuttle and Volkov.

I also just don't see where you are coming from by saying the writers are trying to copy season two. Yes, Chuck is looking for one of his parents (and that is only the same in the most general sense), but the similarities seem to end there. The actual storyline and plot structure aren't the same at all. And saying that Volkov is this season's Chase character is only true in that they are both the bad guy. Well, I guess in that they both weren't immediately revealed to be the bad guy. But once again the similarities end there. The way Volkov was built up isn't that similar at all compared to Roark. And Volkov's relationship with Mama Bartowski hasn't been shown to be similar at all to Roark's relationship with Papa Bartowski. I really think you are just trying to draw comparisons to season two that don't exist or are even intended to exist.

Anyway, on to the episode itself. I for one thought it was fantastic, and it probably was my favorite of the season.

- The Morgan/Sarah scene was good. I wish they would have a chance to do more stuff together. "Morgan, please don't touch my chest."

- Actually everything with Morgan was good this episode. Morgan: "Do I get to parachute out of a plane on a wild horse?" I also like how they brought back his pose when removing his sunglasses from last week.

- I thought Dalton was great playing Tuttle, the anti-007. "I had my first sexual experience watching 'Lawrence of Arabia'!" and "Cool, a tiny weapons standoff!" were my favorite. Although the Alias mention was also good.

- I thought it was interesting how well Chuck handled himself in the fight, even before he flashed.

- The Sarah/Chuck fight was actually pretty entertaining. I was nervous based on the title of the episode, but seeing Sarah's growing frustration over finding out all of the people who knew about it, leading into the fight scene was great. Also something about Sarah knowing what Friendster is I find hilarious.

- Already covered at the top, but while the reveal itself wasn't a shock (but what is in TV these days), I thought it was handled well and was interesting to see.

- I do agree with Solo on one thing, the CGI is not good. They should probably change any future scenes with exploding buildings to be off screen.

- I am interested to see where they are going with the Intersect storyline. Assuming it was actually removed (and I am not convinced that it is), I would actually like to keep it that way, at least for a while. Also, curious where they are going with the Papa Bartowski mobile.

 

[Screaming_Gremlin]

One other thing that was great that I actually agree with Solo on was the Ellie/Mamma Bartowski scene. Sarah Lancaster really sold that.

Music for the week.

"Snake" by Frightened Rabbit (Chuck practices what he's going to say to Sarah)
"Ghosts N Stuff" by Deadmau5 (Chuck wakes up on the plane with Tuttle)
"We Don't Eat" by James Vince McMorrow (Mama B and Ellie talk)
"One October Song" by Nico Stai (Volkoff blows up Orion's lab)
"Kiss with a Fist" by Florence + The Machine (bank fight)

 

[quaere]

And saying that Volkov is this season's Chase character is only true in that they are both the bad guy. Well, I guess in that they both weren't immediately revealed to be the bad guy. But once again the similarities end there. The way Volkov was built up isn't that similar at all compared to Roark. And Volkov's relationship with Mama Bartowski hasn't been shown to be similar at all to Roark's relationship with Papa Bartowski.

Chevy Chase was awesome, but I hope they are doing something more for Volkov.

Chuck could really use a true villain. Fulcrum and the Ring never amounted to anything, and were more or less faceless until Roark showed up for what, 3 episodes? Shaw at the end of S3 might have been the best they've come up with so far, and that's kinda sad.

This season there's plenty of show left for an arc to play out and Dalton is just great for an evil criminal mastermind. And what's the alternative, a full rest of the season of throw away missions as vehicles for plots about the team's relationship issues?

 

[evlcookie]

Dalton sold this episode. Guy was excellent.

I'm getting a little tired of the mum being good then bad, good, bad, good, bad shit going on. Part of me just doesn't care anymore. Now that she has been found and decided to bugger off, will he seriously continue trying to get her back for the rest of the season? I can understand volk is now the big baddie and i'm guessing he is the seasons end game, but something feels off.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Havent seen the episode yet, havent read shit in the forum because of it (damn work, just got home) but it is the last hour of voting for the TV Guide cover.

Chuck and Supernatural have been flipflopping all day long. http://www.tvinsider.com/coverpoll/index.php
It is down to the wire.

 

[Screaming_Gremlin]

I'm getting a little tired of the mum being good then bad, good, bad, good, bad shit going on. Part of me just doesn't care anymore. Now that she has been found and decided to bugger off, will he seriously continue trying to get her back for the rest of the season? I can understand volk is now the big baddie and i'm guessing he is the seasons end game, but something feels off.

I think I was lucky that I never watched Alias or any other show with a character that flip flopped. While I don't particularly find it interesting, it really doesn't annoy me that much either. Personally I would actually like it if it turns out she is a bad guy who doesn't want her kids involved. I think that would be a fairly interesting take on it the situation. As for the continuing to look for her (and this is just speculation on my part), but I wouldn't be surprised if whatever that device was in the car somehow involves Mama B again.

 

[evlcookie]

Did the intersect part at the end make any sense to anyone? I don't think she removed it from chucks head but instead thought she was giving him a version of it. So now he has two intersects floating around in his brain.

 

[Screaming_Gremlin]

Did the intersect part at the end make any sense to anyone? I don't think she removed it from chucks head but instead thought she was giving him a version of it. So now he has two intersects floating around in his brain.

It was sort of weird. Obviously Chuck thinks it is gone. The dialog in the preview

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made it sound like it might still be there, but was just suppressed somehow.

Although I might be misinterpreting what was said. That or maybe it was just an update gone wrong.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

Did the intersect part at the end make any sense to anyone? I don't think she removed it from chucks head but instead thought she was giving him a version of it. So now he has two intersects floating around in his brain.

Personally, I think its

Spoiler

Orion's secret stash in an intersect. Either that, or its a key to his secret stash in the laptop in the mustang. The point is, Orion's research is around.

 

[suaveric]

Personally, I think its

Spoiler

Orion's secret stash in an intersect. Either that, or its a key to his secret stash in the laptop in the mustang. The point is, Orion's research is around.

I agree with this.

Spoiler

I think this is Chuck's mom saving all of Orion's info because she knew it was about to get blown sky high. She planted it in Chuck. But it looks like this new information may be messing with Intersect 2.0

 

[thetechkid]

PSP 2.0 comes with the Intersect confirmed!

 

[X-Frame]

Good thing nobody else bought that car that whole time!

 

[Screaming_Gremlin]

Good thing nobody else bought that car that whole time!

Heh, I assume whoever he had selling it for him was only allowed to sell it to Ellie. That or there would have been a very confused person opening that envelope.

 

[Cornballer]

Great episode - my favorite of S4 so far. The Tuttle turn was telegraphed from a long way off, but I didn't mind because Dalton was fantastic this episode in both roles. Looking forward to more of him. I'm glad they gave Mama Bartowski more to do this week beyond just exposition, too. A couple nifty fights, some good humor, and solid music choices. Bring on the rest of S4!

 

[Cornballer]

- Promo for the next episode (as always, please use spoiler tags if you're going to discuss it)

- Sepinwall's review
- Onion A|V Club

 

[RevoDS]

A-ma-zing episode. Perhaps not the best in two years (only time will tell), but easily the best episode since season 3's ending trio. Glad Volkoff's here to stay; I'm sold on Dalton. Sarah Lancaster also nailed the conversation between Ellie and Mama B.

As for the story itself, to me Chuck is at its best when the mythology advances, and while we hadn't gotten much of that this season, First Fight delivered on that. It showed that Orion's death doesn't mean he won't interfere with the story anymore, and that there are many more secrets to learn about it (the voice-only appearance by Scott Bakula was a really cool touch, and it means we could still see him through other pre-recorded videos, letters or flashbacks. Good news), though I'm uneasy about the whole base being destroyed. That base had a lot of potential, which now seems wasted (that is, unless an upcoming twist addresses this as suggested in the posts above). Mama B's good/bad/good/bad/good/bad/good/bad/good/bad/good/bad/good thing does need to end. I know it's meant to keep suspense, but it's just ridiculous at this point.

I liked the way the Chuck and Sarah issues were handled this week. This season may have been rather heavy on it, it's still being handled much, much better than S3 ever did. Using a PSP for whatever it did to Chuck's brain was a curious choice; speaking of which, I'm also convinced the Intersect isn't completely gone. We were clearly led to believe it is, but there most certainly is something more to it.

I laughed my ass off during the first scene with Dalton. Morgan was awesome as usual with the earpiece :lol

Overall, it kept me on the edge of my seat the whole time while still managing to be funny and introduce new elements to the mythology. Lauren LeFranc and Rafe Judkins again prove, as if they needed to, that they're the best writers on Chuck.

 

[Cornballer]

There just 2 hours left to to vote for Chuck in the TV Guide cover poll.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

There just 2 hours left to to vote for Chuck in the TV Guide cover poll.

Make that ONE HOUR. I love Supernatural to death, but Chuck NEEDS to win. Any press is good press for the show.

Also, I just finished the newest episode. VERY good. Not as awesome or funny as the end of season 2, but it advanced the plot forward very well and we finally have ourselves a credible villain in it for a while. Shit, Chuck should just surrender now. How can he go up against

Spoiler

an MI-6 trained Prince of Mongo Time Lord that slashes prices?

 

[Medalion]

Very good episode!

I liked the way they handled the "fight" between Sarah and Chuck. Timothy Dalton was amazing as both a bumbling Handler and Volkoff. I like the fact we can never tell Mrs Bartowski's motives if she is a good guy or bad guy, Linda is really settling into this role more. Morgan's antics as bumbling spy continue to amuse.

 

[Meier]

Episode tonight was amazing. Dalton deserves an Emmy.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

TV Guide cover poll is closed. Think this will be a squeaker.

 

[Medalion]

PSP 2.0 comes with the Intersect confirmed!

Glad im not the only one who saw that

It IS the psp 2 wit Intersect sucking capabilities, sony are hardcore

 

[Wads]

WTF, so I'm assuming we'll know before dec 13th, but they are seriously not going to announce the winner?

Oh, and I loved that episode. Love that song used at the end. I think they've used it before... just can't remember when.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

WTF, so I'm assuming we'll know before dec 13th, but they are seriously not going to announce the winner?

Oh, and I loved that episode. Love that song used at the end. I think they've used it before... just can't remember when.

I heard it was played during Stephen Bartowski's death.

 

[Tashi]

What an awesome episode. Hilarious, good action, and fucking crazy shit.

 

[Wads]

GD, Solo... you sure are negative. Not sure why everything has to be compared to something else even something in the past of the same show. It was a good ep, no? Can't you just enjoy something for what it is?

 

[alba]

What an awesome, awesome episode. Chuck is really getting better and better each episode compared to last season where it was all downhill until the second half of the season where it got better. Go chuck, go! I want my season 5

 

[Spotless Mind]

Best episode of the season, even though the Volkov "twist" was painfully obvious. I'm looking forward to Dalton hamming it up as the big bad.

PLEASE let the intersect be gone once and for all. It adds nothing of value at this point. The only way it could add something interesting to the show, is if Ellie or Awesome were uploaded with it. I was actually thinking that's where it was going in those final moments.

The use of music was terrible this episode. Not so much the songs themselves, but their placement within dramatic scenes. The montage of Ellie with her mum talking and the fades to black had me cringing. Completely undercut any of the emotion they were going for, but then this show has never had any subtlety in its use of music (they ruined Papa Bartowski's death scene last year in the exact same way). I think my hatred of Tim Jones moving onto Human Target is making his shitty music sensibilities and endlessly rehashed score stand out to me more. I HATE the changes Matt Miller is making to that show.

 

[Shouta]

Fantastic episode. Dalton sold the Tuttle character and I didn't think it was gonna go like that honestly. Granted, I haven't been following interviews and the like at all so.

 

[jwj442]

The twist with Dalton's character surprised me. After the bank scene I suspected he might be a double agent, but I had no idea he would be Volkov.

 

[Tashi]

Fantastic episode. Dalton sold the Tuttle character and I didn't think it was gonna go like that honestly. Granted, I haven't been following interviews and the like at all so.

Yea it totally fooled me

 

[TheOddOne]

Put me in the camp of ''I wasn't expecting that''. The whole intersect thing came out of left field, has he really lost it? Cause his mom says ''you father did not want you too see this''. All-around great episode.

 

[X-Frame]

Highly doubt Mama-B sucked the goodies out of his head .. but rather, put some more information in that is just taking some extra time to manifest.

 

[evlcookie]

Best episode of the season, even though the Volkov "twist" was painfully obvious. I'm looking forward to Dalton hamming it up as the big bad.

PLEASE let the intersect be gone once and for all. It adds nothing of value at this point. The only way it could add something interesting to the show, is if Ellie or Awesome were uploaded with it. I was actually thinking that's where it was going in those final moments.

I think the intersect is somewhat the core of the show now. I would find it hard if chuck didn't have it or for chuck to turn into Neo. You're going to piss off two sides of people who watch the show, So i get the feeling we are stuck with a bumbling idiot who is dating an insanely hot girl that likes to flash on random shit.

 

[Solo]

After a night's sleep, I'm angriest that they turned Dalton so fast. Volkov is a straight up boring villain while Tuttle was flat out awesome and was completely Hot Fuzz-Dalton.

I also just don't see where you are coming from by saying the writers are trying to copy season two... I really think you are just trying to draw comparisons to season two that don't exist or are even intended to exist.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Solo]

GD, Solo... you sure are negative. Not sure why everything has to be compared to something else even something in the past of the same show. It was a good ep, no? Can't you just enjoy something for what it is?

Did I say it wasn't a good episode?

PLEASE let the intersect be gone once and for all. It adds nothing of value at this point.

They never should have put it back into him in the S2 finale in the first place. So yes, I agree, get rid of it.

 

[Screaming_Gremlin]

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Fair enough. Thread would be pretty boring if we all agreed all of the time.

The short synopsis is up for episode 4.09, "Chuck vs. The Phase Three."

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Sarah, Chuck, Morgan and Casey head to the jungles of Southeast Asia when The Belgian (Richard Chamberlain) tries to learn more about the Intersect; Ellie and Awesome try to decipher a secret her father left behind.

 

[Rad-]

Put me in the camp of ''I wasn't expecting that''. The whole intersect thing came out of left field, has he really lost it? Cause his mom says ''you father did not want you too see this''. All-around great episode.

Yeah that gives away the theory that he lost it. It's probably just a different version of the Intersect. Or maybe fully integrated to his brain so no more flashing.

Awesome episode btw. Chuck does guest stars so darn well.

 

[Wads]

About the thing with his mom, what she said sort of implies that it was either invented before she left or she had talked with Papa B since her disappearance. Perhaps they still talked together about Chuck after she was gone since he became the Intersect or maybe it has something to do with what happened in the computer room when he was a child. Either way, I doubt the intersect is gone for good. I would imagine that Chuck has learned enough by flashing and repetition to not get himself killed as a spy, but I doubt he would make an effective spy without the ability to truly kick-ass intersect style.

 

[Solo]

Chuck is now Orion, essentially.

 

[Sirpopopop]

Overall, I thought the episode was strong. Similar to most of you, I wasn't surprised by the plot twist.

However, like Sepinwall said in his blog, I will not be very happy if they "montaged" over the Elle/Mary Bartowski scene, and covered new ground in the conversation.

 

[Solo]

However, like Sepinwall said in his blog, I will not be very happy if they "montaged" over the Elle/Mary Bartowski scene, if they actually covered new ground during that conversation.

Seems pretty clear to me that Ellie was just learning about the B 'rents what we the viewer already found out in S2 and now in S4.

 

[Cornballer]

Streams are up. Remember, it's always a good idea to run the stream, particularly the NBC.com one.

- NBC.com
- Hulu