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Civilization V Brave New World |OT| More than Content Tourism
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Architechnophile
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Is there a way to get them any bigger than the vanilla game's Huge? That's all I play on.
I haven't done much with modded maps, personally. I suspect they would have scaling issues with # of civs and turn lengths?
Are you speaking strictly about diplomatic victories or any win con in general? I agree that diplo feels like the easiest victory to obtain now, but I don't think culture and domination are substantially easier than before.
ThreePiMatt
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Let me know if this is weird, but its something I've felt since Civ V released, but is anyone else kind of disappointed with the selection of civs/leaders? That sounds weird, but I just feel like they've spread too wide. One thing I really liked in Civ IV was that some civs had multiple leaders that reflected a different time/focus of that civilization. Personally, I have this weird aversion to the "lesser civs." Zulus, Morocco, the Huns. I'd rather have like 2-3 different leaders/UAs for America, Russia, England, Germany, etc.
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
As I just posted, this isn't the case with me since Greece is going toe to toe with me in the world congress. We are going back and forth literally every single turn now for the last 20 or so years. It is why I had to stop my war with Assyria.
Let's get Barack Obama in there.
You complain about lesser civilizations but want 2-3 different leaders for America of all places while putting down Morocco/the Berbers as a civilzation? Come on son.
I don't agree with that. I like all the different civs/leaders
CoconutTank
Member
I also don't like the Diplomacy victory as much this time. Before BNW, wanting a Diplomacy victory required building the UN first, which is hardly mandatory (and I don't think I've ever seen the AI Civs build it). But in BNW, World Congress is a mandatory thing that happens, and so eventually the World Leader vote seems to be inevitable. And so far, I like the World Congress and what it provides, but the World Leader vote acts as a time limit on the other victory types.
The worst is when AI Greek is involved though. Alex always manages to start off with a huge lead in votes due to his UA and him being very buddy buddy with most city states, and he always manages to propose shitty things like embargoing city states and making his religion the world religion. In that case I end up getting into a voting war with him and obsessively build up gold and do city state quests to get votes and take away his votes. And then I'm on my way to a Diplomatic victory, wheee.
I did manage to get a Culture victory with Americans last night, which I think is a great improvement over depending on the Utopia project. But unless there's very few Civs and the map is small, I imagine a Domination victory is probably very hard to do before the World Leader vote happens.
Also I like learning about more Civs and more historical stuff. Makes the world smaller but also more interesting. For the most part it's how the Civs work mechanically that's of most interest to me, so the skin that the mechanics wear doesn't matter as much.
Architechnophile
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Yeah, I think my policy is going to just be "If Alexander is in your game, just kill him first chance you get." World Congress is just too powerful a weapon for him.
BigJonsson
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Sidon gifted them
He's who I played with in the game I did. 24 delegates or something. I ruled the world.
BigJonsson
Member
And if montezuma is beside you just restart
Why are the Zulus, Moroccans, and Huns lesser civs?
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
It is amping my game up nicely. I had a firm grasp of the world congress early on and managed to get an embargo on his ass. I was getting really tired of Assyria contacting me every 5 turns or so talking about how my army sucked or how little land I controlled. They also kept bullying one of my allied city stes. So, as Venice, I got money and went to war.
We battled for a good amount of years and all the money I spent waging war let Alexander reclaim a strong grasp on the World Congress. With that, I had to stop short of wiping that Assyrian asshole off the face of....whatever planet we are on and get back at Alexander. I had to move spies to city states to try and pull some influence from him and a couple in Catherine and Gao's capitals so I can swing some votes. ALexander is trying to get his embargo lifted and I can NOT let that happen.
Heh, I didn't want to put words in his mouth...
World War III just started in my huge world map.
1700s - The Zulus invade Madrid, and Spain falls. I step in and liberate them after a few decades. They are eternally allied with me but now lag far behind on tech. They always vote with me on the World Congress so I decide to shelter them with money and defenses.
1800s - Me (Venice) and Amuruca went Liberty, Carthage and Zulus turned fascists, and everyone else turned to communism.
1900s - Zulus invaded most communist states, while Carthage waged war on Washington.
1960s - After decades of on and off wars, cultural pressure from my civ triggers a revolution in Carthage, and the people overthrow the fascist and now follow Liberty. Now its Dido, Washington and me under democracy.
1990s - Japan (commies) invade Spain and my Defensive Pact Isabella kicks in, so I auto-declare war on Japan. Japan in turn has a Defensive Pact with every other communist country, so they all declare war on the allies (USA, Carthage, Me).
2000s - Carthage falls to the commie Shoshone while me and the US are busy in India and Japan. Eventually India and Japan surrender. Everyone declares peace and Carthage is left with one city.
2010s - The Zulus invade Spain. All the Allies rush in to defend. For some reason Washington declares war on the Shoshone, bringing the commies into the fray. Now it's a 3 way war with nukes. I'm using my foreign legion for a D-Day style invasion to liberate Carthage. The Zulus obliterate all of India with nukes. Every city state allies with me thanks to my Pact policy. I'm gonna try to win the United Nations vote.
1700s - The Zulus invade Madrid, and Spain falls. I step in and liberate them after a few decades. They are eternally allied with me but now lag far behind on tech. They always vote with me on the World Congress so I decide to shelter them with money and defenses.
1800s - Me (Venice) and Amuruca went Liberty, Carthage and Zulus turned fascists, and everyone else turned to communism.
1900s - Zulus invaded most communist states, while Carthage waged war on Washington.
1960s - After decades of on and off wars, cultural pressure from my civ triggers a revolution in Carthage, and the people overthrow the fascist and now follow Liberty. Now its Dido, Washington and me under democracy.
1990s - Japan (commies) invade Spain and my Defensive Pact Isabella kicks in, so I auto-declare war on Japan. Japan in turn has a Defensive Pact with every other communist country, so they all declare war on the allies (USA, Carthage, Me).
2000s - Carthage falls to the commie Shoshone while me and the US are busy in India and Japan. Eventually India and Japan surrender. Everyone declares peace and Carthage is left with one city.
2010s - The Zulus invade Spain. All the Allies rush in to defend. For some reason Washington declares war on the Shoshone, bringing the commies into the fray. Now it's a 3 way war with nukes. I'm using my foreign legion for a D-Day style invasion to liberate Carthage. The Zulus obliterate all of India with nukes. Every city state allies with me thanks to my Pact policy. I'm gonna try to win the United Nations vote.
If he'd been complaining about the civs ingame being more about 'Country/Nation than a Civilization', I'd be right there along with him, but this is just....SMH.
Indonesia needs to be renamed Majapahit, Morocco needs to be renamed The Berbers, Carthage should also represent Tyre/Punic civilization, America needs to go, Austria needs to go and be replaced by the Franks, the Huns need to go, Denmark needs to be renamed The Danes, England should be Britain, and India should be split into three or four civs.
/end long and tired rant that's really all nitpicky than anything
Indonesia needs to be renamed Majapahit, Morocco needs to be renamed The Berbers, Carthage should also represent Tyre/Punic civilization, America needs to go, Austria needs to go and be replaced by the Franks, the Huns need to go, Denmark needs to be renamed The Danes, England should be Britain, and India should be split into three or four civs.
/end long and tired rant that's really all nitpicky than anything
ThreePiMatt
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"Lesser civ" may not be the best way to phrase it. Rather, I prefer civs that currently relevant. Guess its just my disinterest in ancient history. Post-Renaissance stuff is where I'm more interested.
I had the same thing too but BNR brings some really cool stuff in the mid and late game that I've switched to looking forward to the those phases as much as starting a new game. Well, I'm still in my first full BNR game but I'm loving it so far! I've also started fiddling around with handhelds while the AI turns go by since that little bit of delay can start to drag when it becomes a little bit longer. Archeology introduces a whole new bit of exploration in a way, so look forward to that at least.
Playing Morocco on Archipelago and the Spice Islanders ability is awesome. When world congress decides to ban a luxury I don't even care since I HAVE ALL OF THEM. Trying for a cultural while learning the system. Managed to get the Louvre and beat everyone to the punch sending out lots of archeologists but somehow that gahddam bitty from POLAND is still crushing it in culture while Alexander steals all the votes. Might have to introduce them to my Ironclads....
Played the friendliest civ game I've ever played. Everyone was just bro-fisting eachother, and a declaration of friendship spawned maybe 2-3 other, "yo bro, that dude is awesome. Keep up the friendship!" In the end I won cultural without a single war. The only war was on the other side of the world between Ottoman and the polish.
Ah, I see. I'd rather we have multiple unique civs than have civs represented multiple times.
I had Egypt tell me I sucked so I went and put a whole bunch of units right beside Thebes
And they're all oshit take Memphis- loved getting a city without even firing a shot
Then a few hundred years later they denounced me so I conquered them
I was in the information era... Everyone else was still in renaissance era. Barbs screwed them good. It was kinda fun taking out a battleship to scout while everybody had triremes not even able to leave the coast
One thing I found funny was I asked for an ISS and someone denounced me for it lol I was also denounced for asking for nuclear non-proliferation despite being the only person with the tech. I just didn't want to waste time building bomb shelters
And they're all oshit take Memphis- loved getting a city without even firing a shot
Then a few hundred years later they denounced me so I conquered them
I was in the information era... Everyone else was still in renaissance era. Barbs screwed them good. It was kinda fun taking out a battleship to scout while everybody had triremes not even able to leave the coast
One thing I found funny was I asked for an ISS and someone denounced me for it lol I was also denounced for asking for nuclear non-proliferation despite being the only person with the tech. I just didn't want to waste time building bomb shelters
That's cool. Thank god that didn't happen and Firaxis thought about us colored folk and decided to incorporate as many cultures and aspects of the worlds as they could.
CoconutTank
Member
Influence with city states degrades at half the speed and recovers at twice the normal rate. There were a couple times that I managed to get the degredation to 0 when I played as Alex, which was pretty awesome. I think I still needed to max out Patronage and apply my religion to the city states to get to that point.
At least it's not Oda. I must have wronged the Japanese in a past life.
I usually get Rome next to me, and they always turn out to be pussies.
...then Napoleon brings in 6 cavalry and 4 archers show up on your doorstep while all your dudes are busy killing barbarians far away.
Beeline for Hotel\Visitor Center\Internet harder.
It's problematic on Immortal, but doable.
Heck, with a proper civ, probably doable on Deity too - especially if you manage to ram through World Religion \ World Ideology.
Military-based wins are cheesing by default - The AI doesn't know how to spam Composite Bowmen and uncare everything else.
Deity is all about cheesing, anyway. The last fair difficulty is Emperor.
smokeandmirrors
Banned
Meh. My leader scenes are set at the highest quality and I don't think they look that bad or annoying.
-tetsuo-
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It is until shit gets real. Then every turn is crazy and I can't stop playing. Sid pls
The Shoshone have a fantastic peace theme.
How do I get longer land based trade routes? I have my sea routes up to 45 hexes away, but my land is still stuck at 15 which is almost basically useless...I went through the tech tree and didn't see any 'allows longer land based trade routes' like there is a few of for sea routes.
Combustion or bust.
Playing my first BNW (but also G&K stuff) as Celts. Went hardcore Catholicism and culture, things have been peaceful for about 300 turns. I wanted one last turn before bed last night and suddenly Haile Selassie, who I thought was my bro, declares war and drops a division on my southern border. I've got about 10k gold reserves though, I'm hoping I can just hire Blackwater to stamp this fool out.
Is that seriously the first land route upgrade? I'm just now into Renaissance and that's all the way in Modern, is Venice's huge trade route bonuses almost totally nullified on Pangaea and Continents maps then?
I have a caravansarie in Venice yes, but it still says range: 15 plots, which is only long enough for me to reach 1 city state and 2 full AI cities.
Rhomega Beta
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How do I open trade routes with other civs?
:lol
I admit my mp game (first ever Civ game) kinda went like that.
We shall see how this turns out. So far so good.