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CNN: Green Party files for Wisconsin recount, audit
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All people with anime avatars are scum.
freenudemacusers
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has hillary ever been photographed with jill stein? seems like an obvious attempt to throw off questions of conflict of interest.All according to plan.
Exactly. Nothing at all like the people with Persona 4 avatars who top this page.
jim-jam bongs
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Got a take that's super hot for y'all, it's about Hillary being a hypocrite because she's secretly using Jill Stein to get a recount after calling Donald a threat to democracy on Twitter and also infected children she molested in a pizza oven with super AIDS
Obviously, Jill Stein is Clinton in disguise as you will never seen them in the same room together.
freenudemacusers
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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...-jill-stein-s-election-recount-effort-n688601
what convenient timing, now that the $$ is in the bank.
what convenient timing, now that the $$ is in the bank.
TheLostBigBoss
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She makes it too easy, that's why.
Do you have a hard time reading?
Calamari41
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That's not him freaking out. He is laughing at the people pushing this, along with almost everyone else paying attention.
He's also going to have a hard time posting.
excelsiorlef
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This is literally what's been said before.
Now that it's happening they'll be there to oversee it.
Darryl M R
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Has it been stated if the result of the recount/audit will be revealed early in the week or later?
Savage.
Savage.
jack_package_200
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Damn son
hydragonwarrior
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If they believed e-mails were equivalent to true evil in this world, they'll end up believing this too.
WarMacheen
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Got dayum.
If they actually find evidence to overturn the state, I expect recounts in other states to move forward quickly
jim-jam bongs
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I mean, you've got Lewandowski and Conway setting up the narrative so blatantly. The worst part about this if you think about it, is that Hillary was gracious and dignified in defeat but these fuckers are still finding ways to punish her.
All according to plan.
I fully expected to see i.4cdn.org as the image url.
Theonik
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Claude Kenni
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Clearly the entire foundation of Democracy has been shaken to its core with this request to recount some votes.
How does this not benefit her again?
Theonik
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Recounts are quite normal. It's extremely unlikely you won't get different counts if you do. It is similarly unlikely you will flip the results though. It will usually follow a margin of error unless there is fraud going on.
What's been debunked? It's just saying audits are needed to ensure no tampering took place. And to set better precedents
Exactly. This is likely more positive press for her than she's received in the last year.
It's a shame her political views are f'n terrible, especially for a green party candidate. It's especially unfortunate that she's the one behind this and it's gone so well for her because it's just going to encourage her to continue with politics.
Recount-wise.
broncobuster
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Again flip this and ask yourself if somebody was recounting because it looked weird in favor of hillary. Nothing looks weird acvording to all major pundits. There is no actual evidence of tampering. There is plenty of voter suppression but no mysterious hacker Boogeyman.
I believe in PA Clinton herself would have to prove actual voter fraud before a recount was allowed to take place. Not only in the state, but in each of the state's 9,000 districts. My understanding is that Stein herself cannot do this because she's not within 1% of Trump. Then again, neither is Clinton.
What does that have to do with my post?
The Russian hacker thing
;_;
I'm sorry, but I know it's a stretch. I just quoted you out of reflex. I humbly apologize. I just wanna try and help get people information about this, but I feel like I'm doing a mixed job at it.
What the what?
The hell happened here? We were all collectively laughing at Jill Steins crazy ass a few days ago, and now that she succeeded in getting the money needed a narrative has emerged claiming Hillary is behind it all?
How does this shit work exactly? I seriously continue to be shocked at how every stupid/bad thing that happens ANYWHERE is eventually tied to Hillary by way of some sort of broken logic. Unbelievable.
Its not some secret Clinton plan. Jill Stein is just a nutcase. She was always a nutcase.
The hell happened here? We were all collectively laughing at Jill Steins crazy ass a few days ago, and now that she succeeded in getting the money needed a narrative has emerged claiming Hillary is behind it all?
How does this shit work exactly? I seriously continue to be shocked at how every stupid/bad thing that happens ANYWHERE is eventually tied to Hillary by way of some sort of broken logic. Unbelievable.
Its not some secret Clinton plan. Jill Stein is just a nutcase. She was always a nutcase.
After having watched the last year in politics and the number of things people have tried to blame hillary for, is this really a surprise? She is clearly a clearly the Moriarty of our time. A real puppet master with strings in every branch of the government and solely responsible for every single negative thing since the early 90s.
Men would've been prosecuted immediately for this!
Dude Abides
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Don't forget George Soros and other (((globalists)))
Half and half
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Sorry if this has already been covered. But will the Senate races be recounted as well?
broncobuster
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Creed 2 becomes about Donnie fighting Drago's son.
R10Neymarfan
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Senate and House races don't use electoral college. So it's really the number of people who voted for that person in the district/state
If the presidential race was found to be off or hacked, wouldn't that lead to recounts in these races?
The Technomancer
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Neither of these things will happen, unfortunately, any tampering occurred at the level of propaganda and voter suppression, not falsified ballots
But I still think this is worth doing symbolically. Its worth saying "hey. we take this seriously. we're going to be thorough"
It wasn't so much the 'polls' that were off as the models and the processes. This debate was ongoing before the election as so many people were giving Nate Silver shit because his models were showing significantly less confidence in a Hillary win. They've known for a while that the likely voter model is screwy. They include/exclude people based on likelihood to vote, then count different groups at differing levels. They're not reporting simple averages, and they're also often relatively samples.
This also isn't the first time it's happened. In 2012, Gallup's polling data continuously showed Obama trailing Romney, and I believe they didn't bother with this election. There was a fun article about the LA Times polling where a single conservative leaning minority dude dragged their polls down several points for like a week or two.
Same and I usually hate conspiracy theories, but everything about this election is weird.
I kinda believe aliens kidnapped elvis.
It's easy to hate conspiracy theories until it's something you care about. Your bias is clouding your judgement.
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Bingo. Gaffers were calling Nate a moron just because he had Trump closing in from time to time. After the FBI announcement Trump's odds went up 5% a day on 538
The state level polls were off. The national polls were pretty accurate in the end. Give people who build models more credit. They're not just twiddling their thumbs. Plus a 80%+ chance of winning still means up to 20% chance of losing.
Well a distinction should be made between the polls and a prediction. Many of the predictions were based on more complicated models that aggregated various polling data and weighted it differently. But as you say, even an 80% chance leaves a 20% chance that it could happen, which is still pretty significant.
Event with the state polls it depends on the specific polls, but so much of this still revolves around the models they use to estimate and the samples they have access to or respond. For those based on the likely voters, they weight/exclude/include variably based on voting in previous elections and how likely they think they are to vote. That can exclude or poorly weight people who didn't vote this time or who didn't vote in the 2008 or 2012 election but were motivated to vote this time. Plus there's still some long-standing methodological issues with the way polls have been run with the rise of cell phones. Here's a New York Times article discussing some of these biases.
This shit isn't simple, and we're not educating people well enough. Also, pollsters aren't being transparent enough with their methods to allow people to find issues. (The LATimes poll is an exception, as they did take that model and explain what some thought was going wrong.)
Like it or not, this does make the dems (and Jill Stein) look like sore losers to the average person and I don't blame them for building it up like this. It's truly ridiculous. Very few of those taking up for it now would be taking up for it if the tables were turned. They were already setting the stage to do the opposite before Trump won.
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