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College Football 2012 Week 1 - Get Your Piss Hot
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ConfusingJazz
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Is the option more effective later in the season when they have it down to a science, or have defensive coordinators figured out its weaknesses by that point?
It's still a team coming off a BCS victory.
All of CFB is diminishing returns (except for Alabama and LSU) Just look at the other teams in the spots around Michigan. Alot of them performed poorly/substandard.
Face it, top 10 is the new top 20.
And it's only happened once before (2008 Clemson), who no one up knew was going to belly up. 2009 VT was standard VT (OK, but not OKK) and Penn State were token top 25's, just like 10 teams are every year.
Saban talked about something like this in his PC. Specifically playing Georgia Southern late last year. The Option was so different than anything else they played, and since it was at the end of the year, which meant limited prep time, the Option killed us (which it did). So, I think later in the season is worse for teams to face GT. They've gotten better at it, while opposing teams have spent most of the season prepping for more "standard" types of offenses, and not for the Option.
zyxwvu4321
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I'd guess more effective later, just because at that point teams are only getting 1 week to prepare for it, instead of however much time they want preseason or before bowls.
Haha, so true.
Although I have a sickening feeling Aggy's gonna win, I'm in full Go Gata mode this week.
StrikerObi
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Thankfully FSU performed as they should, by hanging 69 points on an FCS team. Can't exactly say that for other teams ranked around them. I expect them to top 69 against Savannah State.
It's more that you don't have time to devote to practicing how to stop it. The triple option has been around forever, so stopping it isn't rocket science for the defesnive coordinators. It's so different from anything else you will face that you have to change your whole gameplan to stop it.
Look at Georgia Southern v. Alabama last year. They put up some 300+ rushing yards on us, all because of the triple option and Saban not dedicating enough time to practice stopping it.
Paul Johnson likes to deny it, but his record against teams with more than 1 week to prepare is something like 5-10 (at GT, before last night). Plus you dont spend time in practice just prepping for cut blocks.
StrikerObi
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Interesting fact just tweeted by ESPN's Chris Fowler. Excluding the Alabama v Michigan game, the other 8 teams in the Top 10 went 1-7 against the point spread. From what I looked up, FSU was the only team to beat the spread (they were a 44 point favorite over Murray State, won 69 to 3).
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Michigan gets destroyed and stays 8th? Wisconsin barely wins and stays 12th?
ElectricBlue187
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fake
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
I know it was just against FCS Northwestern State but Tech holding them to under 100 total yards (they got 86) makes me feel pretty good. Considering last year when -
1. we were the worst defense in the country
2. we gave up 331 yards to Texas State and 337 yards to New Mexico, two schools whose teams were so bad last season they were both in the week 1 "Bottom Ten" on ESPN this year
3. we averaged giving up ~486 yards per game
4. we only held one team to fewer than 86 passing OR rushing yards last season (Texas State only had 75 passing to go with 256 rushing)
I'll take under 100 total yards given up versus practically anybody as a good sign. Second string offense got a lot of work late in the game as well.
1. we were the worst defense in the country
2. we gave up 331 yards to Texas State and 337 yards to New Mexico, two schools whose teams were so bad last season they were both in the week 1 "Bottom Ten" on ESPN this year
3. we averaged giving up ~486 yards per game
4. we only held one team to fewer than 86 passing OR rushing yards last season (Texas State only had 75 passing to go with 256 rushing)
I'll take under 100 total yards given up versus practically anybody as a good sign. Second string offense got a lot of work late in the game as well.
Just how many I-AA teams are you dudes playing?
:jnc @ mre's AP poll.
Needed more SEC teams to be believable.
I had 8 out of 14 in there! Which was, I think every SEC team that one except for Ole Miss, TAMU, and Tennessee (because screw the Vols!).
It depends.. If you face it every year, then you know it doesn't change and hasn't changed in 50 years. They have more success against teams that rarely face them. Once you've seen it once, you know what they're going to do every year.
Sagarin Ratings (for reals):
College Football 2012 through games of September 3 Monday
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
HOME ADVANTAGE=[ 3.00] [ 3.00] [ 3.00]
1 Alabama A = 98.83 1 0 78.90( 35) 0 0 | 0 0 | 98.52 1 | 98.85 1
2 LSU A = 91.71 1 0 55.18( 125) 0 0 | 0 0 | 90.73 3 | 91.86 2
3 Oklahoma A = 90.36 1 0 66.47( 77) 0 0 | 0 0 | 89.62 6 | 90.46 3
4 Oregon A = 90.31 1 0 63.49( 87) 0 0 | 0 0 | 90.41 4 | 90.25 4
5 TCU A = 90.03 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 92.78 2 | 89.52 5
6 Boise State A = 88.39 0 1 85.47( 17) 0 0 | 0 1 | 89.80 5 | 88.10 8
7 Southern California A = 88.01 1 0 63.45( 88) 0 0 | 0 0 | 86.20 8 | 88.34 7
8 Oklahoma State A = 87.31 1 0 20.60( 206) 0 0 | 0 0 | 81.67 21 | 88.83 6
9 Stanford A = 85.54 1 0 59.85( 106) 0 0 | 0 0 | 86.76 7 | 85.27 10
10 Ohio State A = 84.88 1 0 57.52( 117) 0 0 | 0 0 | 82.43 19 | 85.37 9
College Football 2012 through games of September 3 Monday
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
HOME ADVANTAGE=[ 3.00] [ 3.00] [ 3.00]
11 Arkansas A = 84.74 1 0 53.07( 136) 0 0 | 0 0 | 84.01 14 | 84.83 12
12 Wisconsin A = 84.18 1 0 64.68( 84) 0 0 | 0 0 | 85.35 10 | 83.92 13
13 Texas A&M A = 83.89 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 86.09 9 | 83.45 18
14 Florida State A = 83.87 1 0 42.93( 168) 0 0 | 0 0 | 79.58 28 | 84.86 11
15 Nebraska A = 83.63 1 0 71.03( 62) 0 0 | 0 0 | 83.04 17 | 83.70 14
16 Texas A = 83.45 1 0 61.65( 98) 0 0 | 0 0 | 83.09 16 | 83.46 17
17 South Carolina A = 83.31 1 0 73.91( 51) 0 0 | 0 0 | 84.25 11 | 83.09 19
18 Florida A = 83.14 1 0 59.92( 105) 0 0 | 0 0 | 83.21 15 | 83.08 20
19 Notre Dame A = 83.08 1 0 69.66( 71) 0 0 | 0 0 | 81.05 23 | 83.47 16
20 Missouri A = 82.88 1 0 40.12( 172) 0 0 | 0 0 | 79.56 29 | 83.59 15
College Football 2012 through games of September 3 Monday
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
HOME ADVANTAGE=[ 3.00] [ 3.00] [ 3.00]
21 Virginia Tech A = 82.70 1 0 72.47( 56) 0 0 | 0 0 | 84.24 13 | 82.38 21
22 Michigan State A = 82.47 1 0 85.39( 18) 1 0 | 1 0 | 84.25 12 | 82.11 22
23 West Virginia A = 81.69 1 0 61.15( 101) 0 0 | 0 0 | 80.77 25 | 81.82 23
24 Georgia A = 81.01 1 0 54.75( 126) 0 0 | 0 0 | 80.42 26 | 81.08 24
25 Auburn A = 80.71 0 1 79.80( 32) 0 0 | 0 1 | 82.20 20 | 80.39 26
26 Arizona State A = 80.07 1 0 51.76( 144) 0 0 | 0 0 | 76.52 39 | 80.82 25
27 Clemson A = 79.80 1 0 80.71( 28) 0 0 | 1 0 | 80.89 24 | 79.56 28
28 Cincinnati A = 79.68 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 81.52 22 | 79.29 30
29 Utah A = 79.22 1 0 39.93( 174) 0 0 | 0 0 | 75.60 42 | 79.98 27
30 BYU A = 79.11 1 0 61.38( 99) 0 0 | 0 0 | 77.75 34 | 79.34 29
Our large contingent of Clemson fans will NOT be pleased.
College Football 2012 through games of September 3 Monday
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
HOME ADVANTAGE=[ 3.00] [ 3.00] [ 3.00]
1 Alabama A = 98.83 1 0 78.90( 35) 0 0 | 0 0 | 98.52 1 | 98.85 1
2 LSU A = 91.71 1 0 55.18( 125) 0 0 | 0 0 | 90.73 3 | 91.86 2
3 Oklahoma A = 90.36 1 0 66.47( 77) 0 0 | 0 0 | 89.62 6 | 90.46 3
4 Oregon A = 90.31 1 0 63.49( 87) 0 0 | 0 0 | 90.41 4 | 90.25 4
5 TCU A = 90.03 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 92.78 2 | 89.52 5
6 Boise State A = 88.39 0 1 85.47( 17) 0 0 | 0 1 | 89.80 5 | 88.10 8
7 Southern California A = 88.01 1 0 63.45( 88) 0 0 | 0 0 | 86.20 8 | 88.34 7
8 Oklahoma State A = 87.31 1 0 20.60( 206) 0 0 | 0 0 | 81.67 21 | 88.83 6
9 Stanford A = 85.54 1 0 59.85( 106) 0 0 | 0 0 | 86.76 7 | 85.27 10
10 Ohio State A = 84.88 1 0 57.52( 117) 0 0 | 0 0 | 82.43 19 | 85.37 9
College Football 2012 through games of September 3 Monday
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
HOME ADVANTAGE=[ 3.00] [ 3.00] [ 3.00]
11 Arkansas A = 84.74 1 0 53.07( 136) 0 0 | 0 0 | 84.01 14 | 84.83 12
12 Wisconsin A = 84.18 1 0 64.68( 84) 0 0 | 0 0 | 85.35 10 | 83.92 13
13 Texas A&M A = 83.89 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 86.09 9 | 83.45 18
14 Florida State A = 83.87 1 0 42.93( 168) 0 0 | 0 0 | 79.58 28 | 84.86 11
15 Nebraska A = 83.63 1 0 71.03( 62) 0 0 | 0 0 | 83.04 17 | 83.70 14
16 Texas A = 83.45 1 0 61.65( 98) 0 0 | 0 0 | 83.09 16 | 83.46 17
17 South Carolina A = 83.31 1 0 73.91( 51) 0 0 | 0 0 | 84.25 11 | 83.09 19
18 Florida A = 83.14 1 0 59.92( 105) 0 0 | 0 0 | 83.21 15 | 83.08 20
19 Notre Dame A = 83.08 1 0 69.66( 71) 0 0 | 0 0 | 81.05 23 | 83.47 16
20 Missouri A = 82.88 1 0 40.12( 172) 0 0 | 0 0 | 79.56 29 | 83.59 15
College Football 2012 through games of September 3 Monday
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
HOME ADVANTAGE=[ 3.00] [ 3.00] [ 3.00]
21 Virginia Tech A = 82.70 1 0 72.47( 56) 0 0 | 0 0 | 84.24 13 | 82.38 21
22 Michigan State A = 82.47 1 0 85.39( 18) 1 0 | 1 0 | 84.25 12 | 82.11 22
23 West Virginia A = 81.69 1 0 61.15( 101) 0 0 | 0 0 | 80.77 25 | 81.82 23
24 Georgia A = 81.01 1 0 54.75( 126) 0 0 | 0 0 | 80.42 26 | 81.08 24
25 Auburn A = 80.71 0 1 79.80( 32) 0 0 | 0 1 | 82.20 20 | 80.39 26
26 Arizona State A = 80.07 1 0 51.76( 144) 0 0 | 0 0 | 76.52 39 | 80.82 25
27 Clemson A = 79.80 1 0 80.71( 28) 0 0 | 1 0 | 80.89 24 | 79.56 28
28 Cincinnati A = 79.68 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 81.52 22 | 79.29 30
29 Utah A = 79.22 1 0 39.93( 174) 0 0 | 0 0 | 75.60 42 | 79.98 27
30 BYU A = 79.11 1 0 61.38( 99) 0 0 | 0 0 | 77.75 34 | 79.34 29
Our large contingent of Clemson fans will NOT be pleased.
StrikerObi
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Two, unfortunately. Murray State was always on the schedule. West Virginia was supposed to be coming to town this Saturday, but they got scared and backed out of the game in like March. We had to scramble to find another team to play that was willing to come to Tallahassee this weekend (otherwise we'd have to move our bye and have a short week going into Virginia Tech on a Thursday). Savannah State was the only team available.
Complain all you want about FSU's strength of schedule this year, but it's not our fault that WVU fucked us over.
GoldenEye 007
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I needed five straight days of college football directly into my veins. Now there are just three days until I fly out to Columbus.
bucknuticus
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YES YES, spend your money here! Where are you staying and have you made any plans or ideas what youre going to do around the bus?
Spike Factor
Seems like this was a weekly story last season, but it's a ranking of teams by what % of their plays would have turned out the same, if they had just spiked the ball rather than ran a play.
Boise wins, 47% of their plays against Michigan, a spike would have been just as effective.
Examples of teams doing well in the Spike Factor:
Examples of teams not doing well:
The winner, being Boise State:
Seems like this was a weekly story last season, but it's a ranking of teams by what % of their plays would have turned out the same, if they had just spiked the ball rather than ran a play.
Boise wins, 47% of their plays against Michigan, a spike would have been just as effective.
Examples of teams doing well in the Spike Factor:
Examples of teams not doing well:
WASHINGTON STATE, 44% - You can go ahead and start making Jeff "Tuel Time" jokes now because holy shit have you watched a Home Improvement rerun in the last four years? That shit is terrible. Washington State-in-this-game terrible.
MICHIGAN, 42% - Let's go to Nick Saban for reaction to the news that 60% of Michigan's plays on the first four Wolverine drives were as effective as spiking the ball:
PITT, 32% - Just go to your room.
The winner, being Boise State:
ConfusingJazz
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No, aggies are at fault, but it's not from Texas A&M.
Sorry, still learning the inbred lingo.
Notre Dame must only be up to number six. Sorry, Affie.
I felt kinda bad for Mike Leach during that BYU game. Obvoiusly I wanted my Cougars to win, but I really hope Leach finds success up at Washington State. I still feel like his dismissal from Texas Tech was ridiculous, and I'd love nothing more than for him to be just as, if not more, successful than he was before.
BYU looked good, but maybe WSU was just a step up from I-AA, I'm not sure. I didn't like how many FGs BYU kicked in the red zone.
BYU looked good, but maybe WSU was just a step up from I-AA, I'm not sure. I didn't like how many FGs BYU kicked in the red zone.
AP Top 25
1 Alabama (45) 1-0 1481
2 USC (11) 1-0 1435
3 LSU (4) 1-0 1382
4 Oregon 1-0 1295
5 Oklahoma 1-0 1170
6 Florida State 1-0 1135
7 Georgia 1-0 1083
8 Arkansas 1-0 992
9 South Carolina 1-0 980
9 West Virginia 1-0 980
11 Michigan State 1-0 915
12 Clemson 1-0 788
13 Wisconsin 1-0 664
14 Ohio State 1-0 634
15 Virginia Tech 1-0 604
16 Nebraska 1-0 603
17 Texas 1-0 584
18 Oklahoma State 1-0 558
19 Michigan 0-1 446
20 TCU 0-0 355
21 Kansas State 1-0 339
22 Notre Dame 1-0 198
23 Louisville 1-0 190
24 Florida 1-0 145
25 Stanford 1-0 131
Texas State has 10 points, fwiw
1 Alabama (45) 1-0 1481
2 USC (11) 1-0 1435
3 LSU (4) 1-0 1382
4 Oregon 1-0 1295
5 Oklahoma 1-0 1170
6 Florida State 1-0 1135
7 Georgia 1-0 1083
8 Arkansas 1-0 992
9 South Carolina 1-0 980
9 West Virginia 1-0 980
11 Michigan State 1-0 915
12 Clemson 1-0 788
13 Wisconsin 1-0 664
14 Ohio State 1-0 634
15 Virginia Tech 1-0 604
16 Nebraska 1-0 603
17 Texas 1-0 584
18 Oklahoma State 1-0 558
19 Michigan 0-1 446
20 TCU 0-0 355
21 Kansas State 1-0 339
22 Notre Dame 1-0 198
23 Louisville 1-0 190
24 Florida 1-0 145
25 Stanford 1-0 131
Texas State has 10 points, fwiw
Azwethinkweiz
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ConfusingJazz
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First game, first year. I don't expect video game numbers until at least later in the season. It takes a while for him to get that machine running.
GoldenEye 007
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I think Sheraton downtown at Capitol Square? That looks about right. As you can tell I'm not in charge of travel plans!
As for plans, I know one of the main ones is to try to find dive food places around the area for food. Then of course go out Saturday night.
Sure, but they just looked completely incapable. Heck, they wouldn't have even got the 6 points if the Pac-12 refs didn't keep moving the ball forward 15 yards for Pac-12 reasons. I guess the biggest issue he's facing is that it doesn't look like anybody on that offense is built to run his system at this time.
Since you mentioned dive food places.. Try Dirty Frank's. Hounddogs Pizza is another option in that category. Dirty Frank's is actually really clean, it's just tiny. Night before a game, I can't imagine going there, but good luck if you do.
ConfusingJazz
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The talent as Wazzu wasn't exactly setting the world on fire in the first place. I say it takes another year, but he might be able to get a game or two this season with Leach magic.
Probably against Cal.
I already fully believe this will happen.
ConfusingJazz
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This is why people schedule cupcakes.
Then again, Alabama going over USC is a reason you don't.
Pac12 refs aren't biased, they're just bad overall. You just lost the dice rolls.
This. It's not corruption, just utter incompetency.
zyxwvu4321
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Coaches' Poll:
1. Alabama (37) 1,447
2. Southern California (14) 1,398
3. LSU (7) 1,375
4. Oregon (1) 1,286
5. Oklahoma 1,171
6. Florida State 1,144
7. Georgia 1,092
8. West Virginia 1,032
9. South Carolina 943
10. Arkansas 929
11. Michigan State 868
12. Clemson 826
13. Wisconsin 719
14. Nebraska 652
15. Texas 600
16. Oklahoma State 595
17. TCU 479
18. Virginia Tech 476
19. Michigan 427
20. Kansas State 414
21. Stanford 324
22. Notre Dame 252
23. Florida 204
24. Louisville 109
25. Boise State 82
Others receiving votes
Washington 55; Brigham Young 41; Baylor 39; Tennessee 29; Utah 20; Auburn 18; Georgia Tech 16; Missouri 16; Texas A&M 13; South Florida 12; Central Florida 11; Ohio 11; Cincinnati 10; Mississippi State 10; Virginia 7; Arizona 6; Louisiana Tech 6; Nevada 5; Vanderbilt 3; Northwestern 1; Rutgers 1; Texas Tech 1.
1. Alabama (37) 1,447
2. Southern California (14) 1,398
3. LSU (7) 1,375
4. Oregon (1) 1,286
5. Oklahoma 1,171
6. Florida State 1,144
7. Georgia 1,092
8. West Virginia 1,032
9. South Carolina 943
10. Arkansas 929
11. Michigan State 868
12. Clemson 826
13. Wisconsin 719
14. Nebraska 652
15. Texas 600
16. Oklahoma State 595
17. TCU 479
18. Virginia Tech 476
19. Michigan 427
20. Kansas State 414
21. Stanford 324
22. Notre Dame 252
23. Florida 204
24. Louisville 109
25. Boise State 82
Others receiving votes
Washington 55; Brigham Young 41; Baylor 39; Tennessee 29; Utah 20; Auburn 18; Georgia Tech 16; Missouri 16; Texas A&M 13; South Florida 12; Central Florida 11; Ohio 11; Cincinnati 10; Mississippi State 10; Virginia 7; Arizona 6; Louisiana Tech 6; Nevada 5; Vanderbilt 3; Northwestern 1; Rutgers 1; Texas Tech 1.
ConfusingJazz
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Wait, why in the HELL is OU in the top five in both polls?
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