The problem is that my beef with GTA IV didn't really start eating at me until a couple hours or so in. They have always been very pretty games, but after the whiz bang effect, the mechanics start to bother me. Like I said, I wasn't really pissed at GTA IV until I made it to Manhattan, or whatever Manhattan's analogue is in GTA.
One game which I really liked that is more "realistic" was Sleeping Dogs. The story was always pretty good and not frustrating, the penalty for death was reasonable, driving (besides on bikes) was fun as hell, and the combat was really neat. Also, purty.
The main point of the game so far, is based around the heists. I've done 2 so far, working on my 3rd. So far, things are pretty varied, you can choose at least 2 different ways to "pull it off" and then the sub missions begin, to Collect/case the things you need to do before the heist begins. So far, both have a pretty nice sense of "thrill"
Plus, the Heist bring about big money, at least the 1st one did, and the amount you get depends on how much % is given to the crew (selectable), if you can grab all the loot before needing to get out, and if everyone can escape (in case they don't, and have part of the loot with them when they fail)
Sure hope there are alot of Heists in the game, and hope they have alot in Online.
Haven't seen any phone calls of people wanting to go bowling/darts. Controls better than IV.
But it does come back to the fact, I loved IV too, and still can't see the hate it gets, or what parts of it pissed people off so much. If that makes my opinion on V not mean as much for you, oh well.
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College Football related:
No coaches fired yet? I see Andy and MRE going on about repeat offender stuff, so that's nice. Fuck you, it's our turn to slide, NCAA.