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COMICS! |OT| January 2013. "Read more comics"? Now that's a resolution I can keep!

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sazabirules

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first time ive ever heard that, for me that's usually artists like ashley wood or templesmith

I was just confused by one of the last pages in this issue.

Hellboy in Hell related:

Who put the Hand of Doom on Hellboy and how when they flashbacked to his birth and he got his hand chopped off?
 

Acid08

Banned
I was just confused by one of the last pages in this issue.

Hellboy in Hell related:

Who put the Hand of Doom on Hellboy and how when they flashbacked to his birth and he got his hand chopped off?
Pretty sure it was his dad who chopped his hand off and put the rock first on.
 

Parallax

best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
that is a really sharp logo for the OP



i also dont know what im looking at, but it's hard not to be intrigued by that lineup
i hate that the 90s kid in me partly wants it to be X-man, after everything

I would love a Nate solo again. One of my dream books next to science squad or agency x
 
I really like the recommendations yall gave me. I really liked fear agent, X force, fantastic four written by Hickman, but what websites do you guys visit. I'm wondering because sometimes comic book resources has really hit or miss recommendations. I am all for independent comics but when top 10 list Are made of mostly all independent comics it seems like a hipsters list.

I used the Neogaf comic threads for recommendations and Amazon. Cheap Graphic Novels has a great collection of Omnibus's, Hardcovers and paper trade-backs. All Star Superman, Immortal Iron Fist, Astonishing X-men, Dr. Strange The Oath, Daredevil Ultimate collections 1-3 by Brian Michael Bendis. Mark Millar's Marvel Knights Spider-man, The Ultimates by Mark Millar, Astonishing Spider-man and Wolverine by Jason Aaron, Remender's Venom run are all great. Grant Morrison's New X-men is a great introduction to the stuff introduced in Uncanny X-force.

Independent wise there's Transmetropolitan by Warren Ellis, Ex Machina by Brian K Vaughn, WE3 by Grant Morrison, had heard Casanvoa, Scalped and Sandman were great as well.
 

Fantomex

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I used the Neogaf comic threads for recommendations and Amazon. Cheap Graphic Novels has a great collection of Omnibus's, Hardcovers and Trade-backs. All Star Superman, Immortal Iron Fist, Astonishing X-men, Dr. Strange The Oath, Daredevil Ultimate collections 1-3 by Brian Michael Bendis. Mark Millar's Marvel Knights Spider-man, The Ultimates by Mark Millar, Astonishing Spider-man and Wolverine by Jason Aaron, Remender's Venom run are all great. Grant Morrison's New X-men is a great introduction to the stuff introduced in Uncanny X-force.

Independent wise there's Transmetropolitan by Warren Ellis, Ex Machina by Brian K Vaughn, WE3 by Grant Morrison, had heard Casanvoa, Scalped and Sandman were great as well.

Will def check these out! By the way what's cheap trade-backs?
 

Jedeye Sniv

Banned
Whatever bro. I've never touched any of Gaiman's comics but just based on all the shit I've seen him write for the screen (Mirror Mask, Stardust and that episode of Dr. Who last year) I don't think he will stop until he has put the whole world to sleep. The only thing I liked from Del Toro was Pan's Labyrinth. His Hellboy movies were 110% forgettable (I have, in fact, forgotten everything about both of them except that they were bad and boring). I don't know Hellboy so I dunno if they were his fault or the source material's but they were shitty cinema.

Fatal error of judgement. Gaiman's comics are among the best ever written. His films ain't.
 
Tbh gaiman is very overrated. Alan Moore (particularly his old stuff), Grant Morrison, Warren Ellis and Brian K. Vaughn are all far superior in my opinion.
 

Jedeye Sniv

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Tbh gaiman is very overrated. Alan Moore (particularly his old stuff), Grant Morrison, Warren Ellis and Brian K. Vaughn are all far superior in my opinion.

I think it's a tricky game to rank these authors. I'd agree that the writers you listed all have a much broader and more robust body of work in general. However I don't think any of them have done anything near as good as Sandman, it's just a masterpiece of storytelling. Moore is too cerebral, Morrison is too instinctual, Ellis is too Ellis, Vaughn just writes good stuff but without much authorial voice. Gaiman manages to write something that is cerebral, full of heart, doesn't fall back on old tricks constantly and has a very particular and welcoming voice to it.
 
I think it's a tricky game to rank these authors. I'd agree that the writers you listed all have a much broader and more robust body of work in general. However I don't think any of them have done anything near as good as Sandman, it's just a masterpiece of storytelling. Moore is too cerebral, Morrison is too instinctual, Ellis is too Ellis, Vaughn just writes good stuff but without much authorial voice. Gaiman manages to write something that is cerebral, full of heart, doesn't fall back on old tricks constantly and has a very particular and welcoming voice to it.

What's the best format to purchase Sandman in ? The Hardcovers, Absolutes, TPB's or the Sandman Slipcase Set? I've been really thinking about reading the series after all the great reception I've heard.
 

Fantomex

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I think it's a tricky game to rank these authors. I'd agree that the writers you listed all have a much broader and more robust body of work in general. However I don't think any of them have done anything near as good as Sandman, it's just a masterpiece of storytelling. Moore is too cerebral, Morrison is too instinctual, Ellis is too Ellis, Vaughn just writes good stuff but without much authorial voice. Gaiman manages to write something that is cerebral, full of heart, doesn't fall back on old tricks constantly and has a very particular and welcoming voice to it.


I partly agree, but Moore fathered almost everybody's style, including Gaimans. Whatever that brings to the discussion, I don't know :)
 

Jedeye Sniv

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What's the best format to purchase Sandman in the Hardcovers, Absolutes, TPB's or the Sandman Slipcase Set? I've been really thinking about reading the series after all the great reception I've heard.

IMO I'd say basic trades. Give it about 3 of them to see if you like it and then re-think the format if you like. There's not point in breaking the bank for an Absolute if you don't like it. From what I've seen, it's cheaper to buy the trades individually than the splicase set, and the slipcase falls into the same trap as the Absolute - if you don't like it, you've just wasted a lot of money.

If you have digital ability, maybe try the first few issues there to see if you like it?

Be warned, the first book is a bit odd, it's very unlike the rest of the series both in art and story. It's good though, I enjoyed it a lot still. The second book is where it starts to become what it'll be through the series.
 

Acid08

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What's the best format to purchase Sandman in ? The Hardcovers, Absolutes, TPB's or the Sandman Slipcase Set? I've been really thinking about reading the series after all the great reception I've heard.

They're all fine I'm sure, just choose which makes sense financially I guess. The hardcover is $200 I think.
 

Jedeye Sniv

Banned
I partly agree, but Moore fathered almost everybody's style, including Gaimans. Whatever that brings to the discussion, I don't know :)

This is true, and Moore is fantastic. It's all about feeling to me. Moore is crystalline and almost perfect but can sometimes be lacking in heart. Morrison is all heart and impulse but sometimes fails on the details. Gaiman I find somewhere between the two.
 

Fantomex

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This is true, and Moore is fantastic. It's all about feeling to me. Moore is crystalline and almost perfect but can sometimes be lacking in heart. Morrison is all heart and impulse but sometimes fails on the details. Gaiman I find somewhere between the two.

I agree, sometimes writers hit all the notes for us. Remender does that for me :)
 

Acid08

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Secret Moore book through Avatar - what made you thought it would be good? The wizard's gotta keep himself in Afghan hash :p

I didn't expect it to be great but I didn't expect it to be a monster porn comic that spends the entire book complaining about Lovecraft.
 
Whatever bro. I've never touched any of Gaiman's comics but just based on all the shit I've seen him write for the screen (Mirror Mask, Stardust and that episode of Dr. Who last year) I don't think he will stop until he has put the whole world to sleep. The only thing I liked from Del Toro was Pan's Labyrinth. His Hellboy movies were 110% forgettable (I have, in fact, forgotten everything about both of them except that they were bad and boring). I don't know Hellboy so I dunno if they were his fault or the source material's but they were shitty cinema.

Tell me this was intentional.
 
I really like the recommendations yall gave me. I really liked fear agent, X force, fantastic four written by Hickman, but what websites do you guys visit. I'm wondering because sometimes comic book resources has really hit or miss recommendations. I am all for independent comics but when top 10 list Are made of mostly all independent comics it seems like a hipsters list.

Comics Alliance
 
So I've decided to start reading the New 52 Batman comics. I just got through the first 15 volumes of Batman, and want to move on to Detective Comics and the rest.

I know I sort of asked about this a while back, but are at least the New 52 comics all considered to be in the same continuity? Is the Batman from Dark Knight the same Batman from Detective Comics? I noticed in one of the issues of Batman that he decides to go to Arkham Aslyum to investigate something, and there was a blurb that said "Read this in Detective Comics #3" so I assume that each of the various comics under the Batman IP simply fill in different parts/stories.

Is that correct?
 

B-Dubs

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So I've decided to start reading the New 52 Batman comics. I just got through the first 15 volumes of Batman, and want to move on to Detective Comics and the rest.

I know I sort of asked about this a while back, but are at least the New 52 comics all considered to be in the same continuity? Is the Batman from Dark Knight the same Batman from Detective Comics? I noticed in one of the issues of Batman that he decides to go to Arkham Aslyum to investigate something, and there was a blurb that said "Read this in Detective Comics #3" so I assume that each of the various comics under the Batman IP simply fill in different parts/stories.

Is that correct?

Yes. Detective Comics focuses on Batman as a detective. The Dark Knight as a super hero. The titular Batman title mixes the two (and is by far the best). Batman and Robin is self-explanatory.

Keep in mind most of the other Bat books tie into Night of the Owls and Death of the Family. While Talon is an off-shoot of the Owls story line.
 

ReiGun

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So I've decided to start reading the New 52 Batman comics. I just got through the first 15 volumes of Batman, and want to move on to Detective Comics and the rest.

I know I sort of asked about this a while back, but are at least the New 52 comics all considered to be in the same continuity? Is the Batman from Dark Knight the same Batman from Detective Comics? I noticed in one of the issues of Batman that he decides to go to Arkham Aslyum to investigate something, and there was a blurb that said "Read this in Detective Comics #3" so I assume that each of the various comics under the Batman IP simply fill in different parts/stories.

Is that correct?

They're all in the same continuity. They tell their own stories, but make occasional references to one another.
 
Yes. Detective Comics focuses on Batman as a detective. The Dark Knight as a super hero. The titular Batman title mixes the two (and is by far the best). Batman and Robin is self-explanatory.

Keep in mind most of the other Bat books tie into Night of the Owls and Death of the Family. While Talon is an off-shoot of the Owls story line.

They're all in the same continuity. They tell their own stories, but make occasional references to one another.

Ok, excellent. Thanks guys!
 

Jedeye Sniv

Banned
So I've decided to start reading the New 52 Batman comics. I just got through the first 15 volumes of Batman, and want to move on to Detective Comics and the rest.

I know I sort of asked about this a while back, but are at least the New 52 comics all considered to be in the same continuity? Is the Batman from Dark Knight the same Batman from Detective Comics? I noticed in one of the issues of Batman that he decides to go to Arkham Aslyum to investigate something, and there was a blurb that said "Read this in Detective Comics #3" so I assume that each of the various comics under the Batman IP simply fill in different parts/stories.

Is that correct?

It's kinda correct and kinda not. They're all the same Batman and they're all supposed to happen at the same time with a loose continuity between the stories. However, it is certainly not necessary to read all the books, and together they don't form any kind of coherent 'story'. The only times this is not the case is when they have special crossover events. You can tell these by the garish banners they stick all over the books. And for the most part, these events are not particularly great.

Think of it more as flavours. 'Batman' was a good place to start, it's currently the best Batbook. However, the other books right now are, to put it bluntly, kinda shitty. Batman and Robin is probably the second best although I still didn't think much of it. Detective Comics was by a really c-tier writer/artist for the first 14 issues and kinda sucked (I mean, that stupid Dollmaker story? come on) - the new writer is a lot better but the book is still very non-essential. And Dark Knight is just very bad - bad premise, bad writer, bad artist. Batman Inc is really good but it's in the final 6 issues of a 50+ issue story so you might be a bit lost just jumping on (one of the very few occasions this is true for a Batman book)

My advice - leave it at 'Batman' for the moment. If you liked it, go and find some classic Batman stories to catch up on. 'Batman's writer, Scott Snyder did a great run before his current book that can be found in a collection called "The Black Mirror". Then you've got the classic stuff like Year One, Long Halloween, Hush, No Man's Land etc... there's loads of great stories and they're a lot better than the really c-list stuff that's in most of the Batbooks right now.

Just my opinion as a lifelong Batfan, your mileage may vary of course. If you have any more Batman questions then by all means holla, I do love talking Bats...

Actually, reading back over what I wrote I sound like a right moaning asshole. Just read what you want. It's part of being a new reader - wasting lots and lots of money on terrible books. It's what turns you into a bitter old sod like me :p
 

Fantomex

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Need some advice guys. I am going to be creating a CG generated Fantomex. This will be in a 3d program as well as making a real life lego figure to go with it. Which face do you guys prefer? The top one is based on a StormShadow mighty mugg, the bottom one is more of me dabbling about and giving it more of my influence into it. Sharp edges, symmetry and less curves.

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The top one with the arched eyebrow is more Man of Mischief, but I still have a soft spot for the original, all-white outfit Fantomex had

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Fantomex

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The top one with the arched eyebrow is more Man of Mischief, but I still have a soft spot for the original, all-white outfit Fantomex had

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Me too. The easy part is that I wouldn't have to worry about artwork too much if I give him an all white version. Just textures for his clothes.
 

jon bones

hot hot hanuman-on-man action
i'd go for the first one

also, make me one! fantomex is the best string that runs through new xmen / aaron's the list one shot / uxf
 

Bull

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They're all pretty fun reads! Clever, accessible stories with great, clean artwork. Even the lesser stories have a baseline level of quality that makes them enjoyable. My favorites were:

#16: "Clark Kent, You're a Nobody!" Clark Kent discovers that he has no more powers, and someone else is flying around as Superman. Who could be behind this!?

#19: "The Bodyguard of Steel" Superman has to defend the president. There's a hilarious Lex Luthor scene in here.

#22-23: "War Games". 2-parter, my favorite of the run. No spoilers, but it's awesome, and you should buy it.

#27: "How Much Can One Man Hate?" A wonderful Lex Luthor story

#28: "Jimmy Olsen vs Darkseid" Jimmy and Superman switch bodies on accident, hilarity ensues.

#35: "Never Play with the Toyman's Toys". Very fun Toyman story

#37: "Clark Kent: Public Enemy" Sequel to #19 in a way, this one is fun to read from beginning to end

#52: "A Death in the Family" Supergirl is dying, and Lex Luthor is the only one who can help!

This is great. Thanks. I'm going to slowly start grabbing these for some fun quick Superman stories.
 
Are you speaking about the Gregg Hurwitz stuff? I was keeping my eye on that. I mostly liked his Pengiun mini.

There's just nothing special or entertaining about it. It's basically bat-stories written for the sake of having bat-stories. When Hurwitz started writing, it went from "maybe the worst book in the new 52" to just "kinda bad."
 

WanderingWind

Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
The top one with the arched eyebrow is more Man of Mischief, but I still have a soft spot for the original, all-white outfit Fantomex had

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But, like, half the Marvel universe has meet a number of deities, including One Above All. Can't wait for Punisher to go on a page long rant about gun control next week.
 

jon bones

hot hot hanuman-on-man action

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
There's just nothing special or entertaining about it. It's basically bat-stories written for the sake of having bat-stories. When Hurwitz started writing, it went from "maybe the worst book in the new 52" to just "kinda bad."

Hmm... gotcha. Well I really don't need to buy any more DC or Batman stuff, so I'll just replace any plans for The Dark Knight. More time and money this year for getting into Hellboy!
 
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