Filthy Slug
Crowd screaming like hounds at the heat of the chase/ All the colors of the rainbow flood my face
Also, for more Foreman appreciation, dude drew one of the best Superman/Krypto stories during Morrison's Action Comics run:
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TheDarkKnight774
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BenjaminBirdie
Banned
http://www.polygon.com/2015/3/13/8205009/marvel-x-men-92-cartoon-comic-secret-wars
AAAAAAA MY FRIENDS ARE HEROES.
AAAAAAA MY FRIENDS ARE HEROES.
Filthy Slug
Crowd screaming like hounds at the heat of the chase/ All the colors of the rainbow flood my face
Speaking of Krypto. This is the best Krypto story ever
Oh, it's by Kurt Busiek! Never heard of the story, but I'm going to look it up, 'cause it's always awesome to come by a great Krypto story.
Has anything been done with Krypto recently?
Also, for more Foreman appreciation, dude drew one of the best Superman/Krypto stories during Morrison's Action Comics run:
I love that issue so much.
TheDarkKnight774
Member
Not really. Oh and the comic I listed is kind of a downer.
I... I don't get why that Batgirl cover is an issue?
Comics culture is weird sometimes, guys.
Also, it's finally the weekend. Wooooo.
I mean, I work my second job both weekend days, but the point is I get slightly more free time, so that's pretty awesome. I'll actually have some time to keep up on ComicsGAF.
Please tell me if you can read this. Hello. Please.
It's just like that one time where you couldn't see any posts and were just posting into the abyss reaching out for us. I need to go find those posts.
Comics culture is weird sometimes, guys.
Also, it's finally the weekend. Wooooo.
I mean, I work my second job both weekend days, but the point is I get slightly more free time, so that's pretty awesome. I'll actually have some time to keep up on ComicsGAF.
Yeah. I have half this thread on ignore. I see a lot of my own posts
I am sure I am on a few lol.
Please tell me if you can read this. Hello. Please.
It's just like that one time where you couldn't see any posts and were just posting into the abyss reaching out for us. I need to go find those posts.
Should I start with how DC refuses to let Barbara Gordon move on from TKJ as a character (putting her in an endless cycle of victimization around the Joker), or with just how needlessly icky and dumb said cover is?
Coriolanus
Banned
Cuz murderously psychopathic irredeemable villains must respect women's rights or something.
Anyway
Legit never expected to se a joke based on The Road.
TheDarkKnight774
Member
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East of West!
Manhattan Projects!
and more!!
I own..all of those. ALL.
Everyone should jump on that Manhattan Projects!
I'm watching Powers on PSN right now and it reminds me of Comics-GAF
I made a huge mistake
Freezasaurus
Member
Poor Messi, trying to reason with them. What have you done?
I think this guy has the right of it, for the most part.
I think this guy has the right of it, for the most part.
8BitsAtATime
Member
I just read the thread. Lol yeah that's a huge mess. I think the covers rad.
Anyways, Well looks like i'll be picking all of the East of West stuff. Thanks Comixology. I also picked up first 2 issues of The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl...I'm glad I did I haven't laughed that hard in a while.
Freezasaurus
Member
Yeah, it's hard for me to find books that make me genuinely laugh. I read through the first two trades of God Hates Astronauts the other night, and that did the job.
It's like, what would you do if you were held at gunpoint by the Joker, the same extremely insane guy that already shot you and paralyzed you once? Regardless of whether you're male or female. You'd probably cry.
If anything, we should be calling for more emotional males in comics, rather than less emotional females.
That's assuming the crying is the main issue. I've seen that mentioned a few times, so I'm guessing that's the main problem people have with it? I still don't really get it.
If anything, we should be calling for more emotional males in comics, rather than less emotional females.
That's assuming the crying is the main issue. I've seen that mentioned a few times, so I'm guessing that's the main problem people have with it? I still don't really get it.
Have you read The Auteur? I think it's the most laugh-out-loud hilarious comic book I've ever read. It's seriously outrageous. Sometimes it goes a bit too far, erring on juvenile, but all in all it's so worth the read.
I already explained the issues with the cover, what exactly are you missing from it?
Freezasaurus
Member
I don't think I've ever heard of it, except maybe in passing. I'll check it out.
I'd ask to stop being in the DC Universe.
Poodlestrike
Banned
You said that the problems are that they keep referencing TKJ, and that it's "needlessly icky and dumb."
That's... not an explanation.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
I wish I could be there
Fucking Toronto. Another reason why it blows chunks.
Yeah. I have half this thread on ignore. I see a lot of my own posts
I am sure I am on a few lol.
No one ignores me.
No, I said that they keep using TKJ to victimize Barbara years and years after DC should've moved on already. It's long since become mysognistic torture porn, at this point.
Sorry, I was going to reply but I couldn't think of anything that I would say that would change your mind. It seems that we just see it differently.
It seems natural to me that a cover including both Barbara and the Joker would reference TKJ. I mean, that's a pretty iconic and important moment. That'd be like saying Bruce should move on from his parents' deaths.
And I also didn't know what you meant by "needlessly icky and dumb."
Please don't mistake this for being confrontational or stubborn. I just really don't get it.
Definitely look into it. The art is the most lively art I've ever seen.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I'm inclined to disagree, though I'd really need to read more Batgirl to say for sure one way or the other; I dropped the Gail Simone run fairly early on. That said, I never got the impression it was about victimizing Barbra, it was about acknowledging that she had been victimized, and her efforts to deal with that and move past it.
For real. Seems like a pretty messy place to be. Especially with your whole life story getting wiped clean once every decade or so.
Uh. I guess that's one way of looking at it.
I mean, how many comic book characters have moved on from their past? That's kind of comic characters thing. Brooding eternally over some event that happened a long time ago.
If it was just Barbara or just female characters, that's one thing, but it's the same thing with every other character, male or female. Almost every character in comics has some "thing" that happened to them that keeps coming back again and again in their storylines and their dialogue and is just a part of their character.
Agree to disagree I suppose. You feel strongly about it, so clearly you see it in a different way than I do and I respect that, I just don't see it that way.
Freezasaurus
Member
I feel like you're overreacting to the situation a bit. TKJ is an integral part of the character history. You can't expect that she'll never have to confront those issues ever again. Superman's entire world was destroyed, Batman's parents are dead, and Barbara was assaulted by the Joker. They've all got fucking issues. Or is it that Barbara is a woman that makes the circumstances special in your eyes, and thus a social injustice? I'm sort of convinced that you don't even read Batman, otherwise you wouldn't so easily discard the way Joker fucks with Bruce.
That's not all. I was reading Trouble and there's this page. The last panel of the page is a close up and Terry Dodson draws it so weirdly awful that I fall out of my seat laughing and I vomited while laying down on my side. It was a fucking experience.
I'm not saying that she should never confront those issues ever, but there's a difference between framing a relationship as a genuine conflict or a gross running gag.
How would you feel if Marvel kept referencing and making gags out of Carol Danver's rape, and using that to continue victimizing her?
Freezasaurus
Member
Mentioning something that happened is not victimizing. It's referencing the past. Sure, there's a point where it would become excessive should you do it over and over in a short span of time, but DC hasn't come near that point. Shit, they still reference the Dr. Light / Sue Dibny rape from time to time.
Coriolanus
Banned
Pray tell, how often does that running gag happen?
Freezasaurus
Member
Ain't no such thang as bad publicity. Think about all the people who haven't heard of him before, and aren't offended by the cover. Now they're going to go look at his back catalog and maybe find something they dig.
Maybe. But regardless, in the short term, if I were that guy I would just feel like absolute shit right now.
Freezasaurus
Member
I understand what you're saying. I think where certain social issues are concerned, there are too many bleeding hearts out there who fly off the handle and refuse to discuss things rationally when they get the slightest whiff of something they don't like.
How much creative freedom did he have over this cover? I know DC certainly had some say in it, as well as final approval.
And that was a problematic thing too, but that's a different discussion.
Again, I'm not saying that just referencing it is the problem. DC is not letting Barbara Gordon go from it. With every time they involve her with Joker and all, she practically turns into goo. There have been multiple story arcs where she had to "overcome" her fears of the Joker, only for the next writer to come along and do the whole damn thing over again. Yes, out of it, we got Oracle, but her entire character is still being defined by that one moment with the Joker.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
I tweeted to him that it's an awesome cover. Cause it is.
He did both of these:
Raf is such a wicked artist.
Freezasaurus
Member
I think in this case, they may see The Killing Joke references as a selling point. TKJ is still a big seller to this day. If they can piggyback some floppy sales onto it, they see that as a great thing. I mean, I did find it a bit odd that most N52 characters got a completely clean-slate, yet Barbara still had her whole preboot history. Did they ever explain exactly how it was she could walk again? Anyway, you have to remember that the comics industry is a business above all else. DC pushes DCU history for those nostalgia sales, Marvel pushes shitty events and tie-ins every month, and Image pushes awesome. Different business models.
I don't mean to imply that your concerns are completely groundless, only that they're probably not as serious as you're making them seem. Mountains out of molehills and all that. In the end, it's just a cover. I feel like you'd have a meltdown if they decided to do a full issue dealing with the subject.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
I dunno, Bruce has big swathes of his pre-reboot story intact, stuff like him getting his back broken and Knightfall, Joker killing Jason, etc.
So this is DC exploiting Barbara's fridging for nostalgia money, then.
That's...not even remotely okay.
What's funny to me about the whole "Why should Barbara be crying"/"Would someone make a cover of a male superhero crying?" criticism is that stoicism is a fully masculine ideal. So basically these people who are presumably fighting for women are saying that women should be more like men? Seems kind of backwards.
If anything, it could easily be argued that the stigma against men showing emotion is the real issue. Stoicism is a silly masculine ideal.
If anything, it could easily be argued that the stigma against men showing emotion is the real issue. Stoicism is a silly masculine ideal.
Freezasaurus
Member
I did say "most". Not "everyone except Babs."
Honestly? That's business.
Edit: I'll even expand on this to say that they know who they're marketing toward. Look at all the 80's and 90's franchises that have been revived. I ordered a god-damned She-Ra statue for $80. Ain't no kids got $80. This stuff is all targeted at adults who remember this stuff from when they were kids.
Coriolanus
Banned
Their IP, their rules?
BuddyJoeHooker
Member
Freezasaurus
Member
While some people might be arguing that it seems to me that Nudell is more opposed to the fact that she's being put in the situation in the first place rather than her response per se.