Competitive Super Smash Bros. Melee Discussion Thread
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lol m2k
armada still doesn't look like he's dropping a set to anyone outside of the top 6 anytime soon... crazy strong performance on his part.
True, pretty crazy.
Last year: lost 1-2 to Plup in semis, won two matches in losers, lost 1-2 to Hbox in loser's quarters for 5th.
This year: lost 1-2 to Plup in quarters, won three matches in losers, lost 1-2 to Hbox in loser's semis for 4th.
Couldn't be semis this year could it? Plup beat Hbox in semis then went to WF. Good catch on Ice though, I didn't even think about that.
Ahhh, I see.Meant quarters, both times. Sorry
Plup then lost to PPMD last year.
That much closer to being the same then.
Also something I just remember: Leffen last year lost to Hbox then Plup, Mango lost to Plup then Hbox. Florida boys like to tear through Evo.
TheDanimal
Junior Member
That was probably one of the best Grand Finals I've ever witnessed. Absolutely insane! Even though GF's was the only set I was rooting for Hbox in, I'm so happy for him. He deserves it.
Also:
https://twitter.com/Paperio/status/754935039012601856
Also:
https://twitter.com/Paperio/status/754935039012601856
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I respect Hbox's play probably more than any other player, but I don't find a lot of his sets all that fun to watch. While this Hbox/Armada set turned out great, their sets are usually among the most boring to watch and make for an uninteresting grand finals. They usually go for really safe pokes, don't have any problems camping each other, and usually reset back to a campy position of bair walls on one side and lasers on the other.
Plus I want to see other players win. Plup winning would have been incredible, but he doesn't have an answer for Armada. Imagine if Leffen was here and was able to take out Armada, Plup/Leffen winners finals...
I don't think character diversity is necessarily a good thing. Not necessarily a bad thing either.
But like, as an example, I'd rather watch a Fox ditto than a Jigglypuff vs Young Link match, even though the latter has two different characters. There's a qualitative aspect to it.
Mad respect for Hbox and what he does though, for sure. The dude is amazing, and honestly Jiggly is a really difficult character so it's that much more impressive.
I find it interesting to watch two strong players camp each other and to see openings unfold slowly. It's not the high-octane clusterfuck of Fox dittos but it has value for being subtle. In most instances I'd rather watch a timeout than two minutes of combo vidoes.
I don't know. I find my enjoyment of Melee isn't affected too much by which characters are playing but I definitely get exhausted watching the same matchups over and over again. I'm happy about 20GX, I'm happy that at least one IC usually makes top 8 (...*crickets*), and I'm especially happy that someone other than Leffen appears to be making a run at the upper half of top 8.
I agree with most of that. Especially the bolded though, is important I think. The character matchups add spice, but the important thing is the people, how they do relative to each other, how close the matches are, and the passion on display.
You're also not alone in being happy to see ICs make it. Downright exciting, imo. Mostly because I always think it's possible for Wobbles or Chu Dat to beat almost anyone.
Fox-Puff is one of my favorite match ups at high level for the same reason I love watching Marvel. It's a lot of zoning and posturing, but you flub the tiniest little thing and you're dead. The punish game for both characters is so brutal on each other that is just makes for a perpetually tense situation.
LucidMomentum
Member
Yeah I like Peach / Falcon for similar reasons.
Anyways, coming down from that EVO hype, Friday is our local Biweekly's Two-Year anniversary. I'm amazed we've held together for so long, and I can't wait to celebrate.
Our local Pizza Place let me rent out room for 60 people and we've got 45 or so going. The rest of the room will go to Setups. Shame it'll be a private area so people won't just be able to come across us and watch, but still it'll be fun.
Being a TO is super tough, even for a Biweekly as simple as ours, but it's a hobby I wouldn't trade for anything.
LucidMomentum
Member
God I had to play that matchup twice in Houston when I was there for work.
I won one set, lost the other. But it's really about who gives up caring first.
I honestly don't mind Fox/Puff a whole lot, I just feel like I've seen the matchup too much. Honestly it doesn't feel like there's enough variation compared to other matchups since the Puff is always HBox and a lot of the Foxes do similar things against Puff. I also think the other potential matchups we could get, like Fox/Falco and Fox/Marth are way more fun to watch.
I'd rather see mang0 figure out something crazy with his marth and use that against hbox
I used to think Mango going back to Puff would be perfect since Puff is really good against Peach so it would help him in the counterpick war against Armada, but ever since he picked up Marth I think he has enough characters. He also said that Puff just doesn't really fit his playstyle, and that he only mained her because of King's old school combo video, which makes sense.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Looks like VGBC's youtube channel is screwed unless support can fix it. Apparently some dope he brought in to help renamed every single video on the channel. Now finding any content from VGBC is going to be a pain in the ass.
I also didn't realize VGBC never fully recovered from dropping PM, they lost a TON of subs from the PM community and apparently haven't gotten them back through other games.
I also didn't realize VGBC never fully recovered from dropping PM, they lost a TON of subs from the PM community and apparently haven't gotten them back through other games.
theprodigy
Member
LucidMomentum
Member
I gave GimR so much crap at Paragon LA 2015 when I saw him in the Lobby, him with his VGBC shirt and me with my PM shirt.
It was all good natured but I know some of the more hardcore PM only players really were upset with VGBC. Them never outright releasing the old PM vids to be hosted somewhere else was also a thorn in the PM scene's side.
But I understand why.
However, I'm having a bit of a laugh at letting someone randomly test a script out on your massive YouTube channel. I'm sure YouTube can just revert changes back but that's a hard lesson to learn. Keep a side account for testing stuff like that.
Speaking of vids, I never posted our local group's two year anniversary Melee crew battle!
https://youtu.be/0Zz2WZZw9t0
I took 7 stocks myself, felt pretty good fam.
Deservedly so.
Amazing.
I look forward to having access to VR eventually. Seems like it'll be a crazy experience.
I watched the VoDs for this, and my controller would have been through my screen at multiple points. His patience is more impressive than anything. Guess that's why he's a top player though.
LucidMomentum
Member
No lie, at a tournament in Fresno after losing to SFAT in top 8 I saw him spike his water bottle off the stage and it landed in someone's box lunch.
She was pretty upset but then he apologized about it. Was a million to one shot.
Well if Nintendo would actually influence the Smash community maybe we'd be at the point where the bottle could've meteor cancelled. Looks like for now she had to hold that L.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
SFAT with the real life advice on stream.
Scythesurge
Member
Not entirely related to Melee but a similar Smash related story - when Nairo got eliminated at Pound this year he was so upset that he spiked his glasses and one of the lenses popped out which flew at high speed and missed my face by about an inch .
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
M2K warming up against Doc. Crowd was yelling 4 stock, so M2K SD'd and flipped off the crowd.
So then they yelled JV before he finished the game and cheered when he won and M2K was looking all pissed off.
So then they yelled JV before he finished the game and cheered when he won and M2K was looking all pissed off.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
SFAT had Mango downloaded by the end of that set. That was impressive.
LucidMomentum
Member
Guys.
Guys.
Our local streamers never show up to tourneys so I bought 3 LGPs to record matches to SD cards.
I kinda hate being the TO that's putting 90% of the effort into keeping things going, but we break even every time I run a tournament and I get to add extra venue fees to the pot bonus so I'm not all that upset about it. Just wish it wasn't just me handling it all.
Guys.
Our local streamers never show up to tourneys so I bought 3 LGPs to record matches to SD cards.
I kinda hate being the TO that's putting 90% of the effort into keeping things going, but we break even every time I run a tournament and I get to add extra venue fees to the pot bonus so I'm not all that upset about it. Just wish it wasn't just me handling it all.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I thought SFAT had that when M2K dropped the edgeguard. Such a close set.
If him or Wes take the tournament that would be pretty crazy. Seems doable for both.
SFAT had that win, dropped the edgeguard.
Double eliminated. Impressive.
If him or Wes take the tournament that would be pretty crazy. Seems doable for both.
SFAT had that win, dropped the edgeguard.
Double eliminated. Impressive.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Seems like 2010 or so?
Not expecting SFAT to take this but it would be wild if he does. That would be two wins over Mango and two wins over M2K.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
SFAT is sticking around for another game, I'm not expecting him to win but a reset would be super hype