Buggy Loop
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You forgot to add that you need a bluray drive on PC for CONSOLE ÉQUIVALENCE even though not a single PC games has physical.
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Confirmed: Dragon's Dogma 2 runs at uncapped 30 FPS on consoles
You forgot to add that you need a bluray drive on PC for CONSOLE ÉQUIVALENCE even though not a single PC games has physical.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Negotiator101
Member
Is this using the RE Engine?
Bojji
Gold Member
Hahaha, basic system settings make up (to some degree) for devs incompetence on Xbox.
Buggy Loop
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AngelMuffin
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Based on what I’ve seen visually, was really expecting at the very least, an uncapped performance mode similar to FFVII. Still buying it of course because I adored the first one but still disappointed.
UniformDeliverance
Member
Seeing a lot of debate about 30 vs 60 here. This isn’t that. This is uncapped 30.. meaning it’s going to have super bad frame pacing, and many tvs even on Xbox will find that this falls well below the vrr window.
Even if you like 30 fps, or tolerate 30fps.. this is going to feel terrible to play. We talking monster hunter world on Xbox one at launch levels of terrible.
Even if you like 30 fps, or tolerate 30fps.. this is going to feel terrible to play. We talking monster hunter world on Xbox one at launch levels of terrible.
Senua
Member
The first Dragon's Dogma performed like garbage on console so it just is what it is
Bojji
Gold Member
On Xbox at least you can run it in 120Hz container and LFC will fix frame pacing:
Elysium44
Banned
I don't understand why it can't be vsynced in some way. There were games on the Xbox 360 and PS3 which ran at 30 most of the time with perfect frame pacing, but would occasionally shoot up to a perfect 60 when there was less going on. The old NFS games Most Wanted and Carbon were like this (the former on 360 only, the latter on both). When the latter was emulated on RPCS3 it ran at 60 without changing any emulator settings, because of the extra horsepower from PC making that possible.
Having it uncapped is just so weird and would please hardly anyone. But Capcom have form for doing this and seem resistant to listening.
phant0m
Member
True. Had the OG on PS3 and it ran like absolute ass.
shame they couldn’t have included a 1080p / 60 mode though.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Lmao. This is so stupid. Like legit dumb. People this stupid should not be allowed to make video games. These devs are completely clueless and detached from reality.
This is sadly the norm with Japanese devs. They lack common sense when it comes to stuff like this. They have shown this time and time again with elden ring, sekiro, bloodborne, ff16, forspoken, ghostwire tokyo and many others.
Elden ring caps its DRS to 1512p instead of dropping to 1440p or below to make sure it hits 60 fps. The result is a game that constantly runs in the 50s. Bb still has bad frame pacing despite running at 30 fps locked, a very fixable issue. Sekiro on pro consoles ran at a similar unlocked framerate between 30-45 fps. Ff15 also had the poor frame pacing issues back in the day. Even zelda constantly drops to 20 fps every time you use the physics tool whatever it was called. Like every single time.
It’s like these devs don’t give a fuck. Bayonetta 3 looks like it runs at 240p-360p and it does. They pushed the system too hard and you legit can’t see what’s going on because the visuals are so blocky like those old vcd artifacts.
I love their games but my god it’s time to start docking points because this is embarrassing.
GermanZepp
Member
From Vandal, really good and fun game preview impressions nevertheless
Sounds to me that capcom put the eggs in the right baskets, lets see how that plays out
Sounds to me that capcom put the eggs in the right baskets, lets see how that plays out
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Lokaum D+
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u can always download the full demo version, test it and buy a key if u like it OR u can buy a steam version, test it and if u like it, ask for refund and buy a cheaper key.
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thatJohann
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Yikes.
MisterXDTV
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They should at least patch LFC in to enable VRR support
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ResilientBanana
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All the purchase justification coming out of the woodwork.
yamaci17
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it has been 4 years and there's still not wide usage of LFC on PS5 and supposedly devs should implement it or something
this is why i guess if you have enough budget, it would be cool to have both consoles. 4 years has passed and sony still doesnt provide 120 hz UI toggle, despite 120 hz UI works just fine when you play games with 120 hz support and press PS to return to UI. UI still keeps refreshed at 120 hz and noticably smoother. yet you cannot force it on a system level so the second you play a 60 hz container game, UI goes back to 60 hz too. or when you exit the 120 hz game, UI goes back to 60 hz again. it is nonsensical
i wonder if sony purposefully makes LFC implementation complex / hard to not let developers rely on it or something. i don't know. LFC has been amazing for me on PC at 30-40 FPS range on my 120 hz screen
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Bojji
Gold Member
Exactly. Xbox had 120hz output since Xbox one s/x. Basic things like that, Sony is stubborn is some aspects.
When you leave something to devs they won't give a fuck 99% of the time.
darrylgorn
Member
It's a good thing that this game is so expensive.
yamaci17
Member
exactly. steam input is causing native dualsense implementations to be disabled unless you specifically disable steam input for that game. supposedly steam added a flag that developers can choose to ensure steam input will be automatically disabled if game detects a native gamepad but developers doesnt seem to care
instead they will keep asking you to disable steam input manually
"Dualshock 5 haptics are supported on PC, however you need to make sure steam input is disabled before launching the game!"
lol. this has been a thing for a while now, and supposedly steam took some steps to fix it. yet it is still not fixed because developers don't care
Lokaum D+
Member
i dont know why the focus on those high refreash rates when consoles can even to 60fps most of the time, this generation should've been about 1440p and 60fps, 120hz ( and above ) are for competitive purpose and for that you ll be better suit with a PC, consoles shoud focus on stable frame rate ( and high assets when possible ) since consoles dont have the options to twick options.
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yamaci17
Member
120 hz allows better support for lower framerates
30 fps usually is horrible because of extreme latency due to Vsync/30 fps locks. you can completely get rid of vsync input latency with LFC+VRR on a 120 hz screen, letting game run at uncapped 30 fps without frame pacing issues
Bojji
Gold Member
120hz allows for far more options to display frame rate correctly. So if your games runs at uncapped 32fps on 60hz display it will look like shit, on 120hz display you can have LFC with vrr and it will be displayed ad 64fps/Hz and with correct frame pacing.
On 60hz you only have 30 and 60fps options (plus tiny vrr window of 48-60fps)
On 120hz you have 30, 40, 50, 60, 120 fps locked options and EVERYTHING in between with LFC.
Developers on PS5 have most of those options from day one and some of them were added in VRR firmware update but most of them are actively avoiding them.
Why let players have correct frame pacing in unlocked game? Let them suffer! That's their mindset.
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SportsFan581
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The "uncapped" 30fps is unfortunate. Hopefully it averages 48+ (I have a free sync monitor with limited range on Xbox 48-60 
). I don't know why they wouldn't at least give you the option of capping it at 30 in the options menu.
). I don't know why they wouldn't at least give you the option of capping it at 30 in the options menu.
yamaci17
Member
this is what triple LFC looks ilke for example on a 144 hz screen
LFC practically syncs the framerate to the 2x or 3x of the refresh rate (depending on the screen's lower refresh rate bound and driver behaviour). 32 fps > 96 hz 36 fps > 108 hz 40 fps > 120 hz etc.
you can manipulate LFC behaviour on PC by raising your lower min refresh rate. this way you can have better display lag by making LFC refresh at higher multiples (in other words, syncing 32 fps to 96 hz is better than syncing it to 64 hz)
unrelated note: the above footage is rdr 2 running at 1440p %200 supersampling on an emulated rtx 3060ti (5k)
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Agent_Nobody
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^This
I almost feel the people debating 30fps vs 60 are in the wrong thread.
Lokaum D+
Member
Yeah, i understand this, but 120hz display have a cost and most ppl dont want or cant afford, u already paid U$500 for a console, would be better if devs ( for this gen ) just focused on stable 60fps ? that way everyone that bought a damn netxgen console would enjoy the game without extra costs.
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Bojji
Gold Member
More and more people have 120hz tvs every day. But I agree that stable 60hz experience should be their priority, with this game there is nothing like that with no 30fps lock and frame rate far below 60fps. On PS5 every player will get shit experience.
On Xbox console os will fix developers mistakes with 120hz output and vrr with LFC.
It's 50% developers fault and 50% Sony fault that people using PS5 will have the worst version.
yamaci17
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most people I see here have 120 hz screens alongside with their PS5s though
Buggy Loop
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Lokaum D+
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i dont
here in Brazil the costs of 120hz TV that supports VRR on consoles still a little too high for my taste, i dont have U$900 - 1K ( this is the lowest price i can find here ) just to spend on a VRR TV.
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yamaci17
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thats the problem. sony makes it complicated. there are a lot of cheap 1080p/1440p/4k 120 hz vrr screens but Sony only supports specific screens with hdmi 2.1i dont
here in Brazil the costs of 120hz TV that supports VRR on consoles still a little too high for my taste.
if they had full Freesync support like xbox did, LFC/VRR/120 hz adoption would be off the roof
Lucifers Beard
Member
Yeah, that was my concern with it being uncapped. Those frame times could make it feel bad.
Better to have the option to cap or uncap. No idea why they wouldn't include something that seems so simple to include.
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Team Andromeda
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Team Andromeda
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That is the price the likes of PC Specialist and the like will charge when you're buying your new PC and remember kids, Windows can only be used on one PC.
Got to love Microsoft and their PC Windows DRM
ManaByte
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There hasn’t been a major physical PC release since Fallout 3 in 2008.
UniformDeliverance
Member
Exactly. 100%. It's baffling that there isn't a 30fps lock option, running variable at this low of a framerate is going to be a terrible experience. It's not difficult at all to flip on a frame cap or vsync (if you're a developer fight me on this, I can do it from external programs on PC, this is basic babies first optimization)
ultrazilla
Member
Wish Capcom would have pulled an Insomniac Games/Spider-Man and given us multiple options for resolution and performance modes.
Tech NeoGAF, say Capcom put the base screen resolution to 2k(1440p) and 60 fps and/or upscale from 2k to 4k with uncapped framerate. Would that be doable?
Tech NeoGAF, say Capcom put the base screen resolution to 2k(1440p) and 60 fps and/or upscale from 2k to 4k with uncapped framerate. Would that be doable?
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I would argue with you but I respect your opinions here so let’s call it fair enough
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GymWolf
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Do they have any actual example or it was just a broad description?
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GermanZepp
Member
Broad description. Meh technical but very positive overall.
GymWolf
Gold Member
Lol why i'm not surprised...
Agent_Nobody
Member
It’s more than likely hitting the CPU limit so no. It’s almost never a case of ‘just dumb down the graphics’ and hit 60.
And really the issue is not about not being able to hit 60, it’s about having a wildly fluctuating framerate that will look dodgey even with VRR enabled.
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