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[NeoIkaruGAF]

ok let's put aside calcetto and stuff, people still need to work, not everyone has money saved for this occasions...
i have some money aside but if this stuff continue for 2 month my landlord still is gonna expect 8000 euros plus all the money to the supplier (i miei fornitori), it's a huge hit and i'm not poor.

at a certain point, poor people will start to work again even with the lockdown because THEY NEED TO.

the politician absolutely have to help people, this not just a question of not seeing family, friends and hobbies...

Absolutely agree here. If the lockdown is extended all it takes is for a few people to riot or just go to work ignoring the lockdown to have a very tense situation.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

What about churches?

I'm calling it right now, if the same thing happens to Greece, churches will remain open. Or they will be the last business that gets closed, only after many confirmed deaths.

Technically, they're out of the allowed exceptions. In practice, I doubt police will be sent to enforce the lockdown. I know some churches are suspending mass until this is over.

Can you go buy stuff from your local supermarket, or does police bust your ass down and you get a fine for violating the curfew?
Is it a nationwide curfew actually?

Going to the supermarket is allowed.

Austria - Status: locked down

No going outside, gatherings forbidden, people who did civil service getting called in

Watch out and survive in these crazy times fella.

 

[Shizumapower]

They're experimenting on a future dystopia that's possible because people are fucking retarded for believing in the panic fearmongering.

#EducateYourselves

I had my new patio furniture delivered yesterday by FedEx. I didn't see who delivered it though. Thank you Sam Porter, for keeping us connected.

 

[ricardo_sousa11]

I'm glad us British are leaving the EU.
EU is about to economically collapse.
Tick tock.

The UK will suffer the most with this virus, both on casualties as well as economic recession. You left at the wrong time.

The UKs strategy is ridiculous, they want group immunity on a virus that we have no control over, the country will collapse in less than a months time, and there will be thousands of casualties.

Economically it will be even worse, considering most big companies are leaving the UK because they want headquarters in the EU, this is the moment for it, when the gov. finally admits its out of control and they put the country in lockdown, most small businesses will not survive a 2-3 month period without business, and by the time that happens, thats when the EU will be recovering because we're pretty much all in lockdown right now, also im pretty sure the virus will survive your summer weather, which makes eveyrthing worse... so very very dark times are coming to the UK and US as well.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Fines for violating the lockdown will go up to 600 thousand euros for business.

 

[jufonuk]

I'm hopefully flying home tomorrow, waiting to get to France, I hope they implement the lockdown if they are going to on Monday night, I think realistically. at home, we have stocks, etc, plus we can still go shopping.

just taking care of going stir crazy at home.

 

[gatti-man]

So my entire country (Spain) is in lockdown.

You can go to work and back to your home, you can go buy groceries, you can go buy medicine and you can go refuel your vehicle. And police WILL enforce the restriction, it's not voluntary.

All public facing business are shut down unless: you sell medicines, food or gas. Healthcare facilities will not accept patients unless they're in a real emergency: as in either triage says it is or you go home.

I know Italians are going through this... anyone else?

If you're in a similar situation due to covid, feel free to post up! We can shoot the shit and talk about how we're bored to death and fed up with this. Or be positive and recommend each other novel ways to pass the time. Talk about our experiences under the lockdown!

How is Spain and italy handling the incredible damage this does to the economy? Like business to business those bills don't just go away.

 

[eot]

I'm hopefully flying home tomorrow, waiting to get to France, I hope they implement the lockdown if they are going to on Monday night, I think realistically. at home, we have stocks, etc, plus we can still go shopping.

just taking care of going stir crazy at home.

Friend told me that no one is giving a fuck and they're still planning on holding demonstrations. Sounds like France.

 

[Stouffers]

How is Spain and italy handling the incredible damage this does to the economy? Like business to business those bills don't just go away.

What do Spain and France even produce? All I can think of is Spanish Fly and French Ticklers.

 

[Starlight Lotice]

For introverts, this is Easy Mode.

For everyone else, welcome to our world!

Italy and Spain are doing the right thing, but a few weeks won't cut it if someone catches it on Day 14 of the Lockdown as they will not show symptoms for days and it will start all over again.

It is likely going to peak in 3 months when people will crave a Summer Festival unless everything is cancelled for the year.

I sadly predict that this will spike again at Christmas.

 

[Tiamat2san]

So my entire country (Spain) is in lockdown.

You can go to work and back to your home, you can go buy groceries, you can go buy medicine and you can go refuel your vehicle. And police WILL enforce the restriction, it's not voluntary.

All public facing business are shut down unless: you sell medicines, food or gas. Healthcare facilities will not accept patients unless they're in a real emergency: as in either triage says it is or you go home.

I know Italians are going through this... anyone else?

If you're in a similar situation due to covid, feel free to post up! We can shoot the shit and talk about how we're bored to death and fed up with this. Or be positive and recommend each other novel ways to pass the time. Talk about our experiences under the lockdown!

Same here in France.
It is incredible.

 

[andrespi]

what 6 months? if i'm not mistake the lockdown is set until 25 march or beginning of april if i remember well, and that is already a giant hit that is messing my mind, 6 months and i'm gonna post on gaf from my phone while living under a brigde like a hobo.

also in theory isn't this the right move? almost everyone at home so the virus can travel that much from person to person and his life isn't around 2-3 weeks to 1 month top?

Fellow italian here. I totally understand your pain. this whole lockdown is destroying my mental sanity too. I always used to take long walks (3-4 hours) or take runs in the countryside/nature on weekends and always used to take short strolls in the city after work hours. And being in lockdown is killing me. My town major (middle-size town not far from Padova) has forbidden ANY kind of walk or stroll outside, even if you are alone and against the government directive (which in theory allows to take walks alone). I'm already feeling unwell in terms of mental sanity just from 6 days of lockdown (being stuck in a flat and no garden); if at least my town major would allow short walks in the nearby countryside roads (there are a lot of them near my home), it would ease my stress a lot. i personally don't believe I can manage being locked (without even being allowed for short walks) for more than a month (at least without having serious consequences on my mental health and stress level).

Also some of my friends have already lost their jobs/don't work anymore and can't even look for a new one due to the quarantine, thus they are in a desperate economic situation. I'm lucky that I'm a freelancer and work from home with mostly foreign clients, but many others of my friends are not so lucky and have seen their income disappear completely because they do "offline"/regular work with italian employers.

on top of that, I was renovating a new house for me just before the lockdown started, so now I'm stuck living and working in my parents' home (which I was supposed to stay only for a few months until the renovations were finished) and I have no idea when the company I hired will be able to finish the renovation work on my new flat.

 

[mcjmetroid]

Ireland is very close to this as well. Good time for gaming I guess. Stay safe!

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

How is Spain and italy handling the incredible damage this does to the economy? Like business to business those bills don't just go away.

Spanish government approved 20 billion euro relief in the form of tax delays, soft credits, things like that. They've also promised they won't allow utilties to cut service to anyone while the situation last.

 

[gatti-man]

Spanish government approved 20 billion euro relief in the form of tax delays, soft credits, things like that. They've also promised they won't allow utilties to cut service to anyone while the situation last.

That's kindof bullshit though. It's still massive debt people will accrue. Like you're taking away livelihoods with no notice. Unless I am
Misunderstanding soft credits lol

 

[Elektro Demon]

So far so good in my country. Only like 30 or 40 cases. Borders are closed but you're free to go outside. So far. But I have a feeling it's gonna get worse.

 

[Cato]

We like in an hyper-technological world, everyone of us has a videoconference device in their pockets.
It's not like we're being asked to go to war, just use skype and stay inside for a bit.

Not everyone can work from home.
You can't work from home if you are in retail. So these folks will likely suffer hard since the rent still has to be paid even if you don't have a job anymore.

Then for example you have all the small restaurants and their staff. If they are shut down for many months, which is likely, they will not open up again once the lockdown is lifted since they will almost all have gone bankrupt.

Hotel and tourism industry. Hit hard as well.

There is a lot of people working in these industries and it makes up a sizeable chunk of your economy.
This lockdown will last for many months, because the populace is now in full panic mode and any attempt to lift it while there
is still a virus going around will cause even worse panic and calls of "you are killing people".
But it matters not, even if they lift the lockdown today, the damage is done and people are in full panic mode.
So expect retail, restaurants, hotels tourism industry to remain dead for the remainder of this year or longer.

Which will lead to enormous unemployment, destroying the economy and throwing the country into depression.

Lock-down was a mistake.

 

[Cato]

not every people are the same, that can work for me or you but not for everybody.

also, a lot of people can't sustain 2 month without work, they go right on the street or under a bridge...

2 months is very optimistic. Once you entered lockdown and went full panic mode there is no going back.
I bet there is a real posibility you will still be in lockdown at the end of the year or until your economy is completely destroyed.

 

[Miles708]

Not everyone can work from home.
You can't work from home if you are in retail. So these folks will likely suffer hard since the rent still has to be paid even if you don't have a job anymore.

Then for example you have all the small restaurants and their staff. If they are shut down for many months, which is likely, they will not open up again once the lockdown is lifted since they will almost all have gone bankrupt.

Hotel and tourism industry. Hit hard as well.

There is a lot of people working in these industries and it makes up a sizeable chunk of your economy.
This lockdown will last for many months, because the populace is now in full panic mode and any attempt to lift it while there
is still a virus going around will cause even worse panic and calls of "you are killing people".
But it matters not, even if they lift the lockdown today, the damage is done and people are in full panic mode.
So expect retail, restaurants, hotels tourism industry to remain dead for the remainder of this year or longer.

Which will lead to enormous unemployment, destroying the economy and throwing the country into depression.

Lock-down was a mistake.

My comment was more for the "being locked inside" feeling. Learn to draw, read books, videogames (heck), DIY projects, you have an endless supply of info (the internet) to cultivate any hobby. To break the lockdown and put yourself and others in danger, just out of boredom, is irresponsible at least and honestly borderline criminal.
We live in an entertainment-driven world, now it's time to take advantage of it. We're not in the '40s anymore.

That said, the economic point of view is an entirely different beast and that's the real problem, once this will all sizzle out. The summer season is pretty much ruined, and I hope more will be done for people without income because of this situation.

The effort here is to make it and try to save some of the later summer break. No one will go to Italy, but a lot of people will travel internally, and that's the hope for the hospitality sector and all linked activites.
But you gotta stay inside, and stay inside NOW, for it to happen.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Lock-down was a mistake.

Thanks to the standards of living in the West, we have a sizeable population of seniors and people who live with chronic illness. Enough to collapse our healthcare systems. Look at what happened to Italy. If healthcare collapses, people start dying from curable diseases.

UK is over 1k today - to give you an idea. currently spain is doubling every 3 days and so is the UK

Let me show you some WHO data:

BOTH the UK and USA have LESS beds per 1000 than Spain, And all three have less beds per 1000 than Italy (by a margin of almost 10%).
Italy and Spain have close to 50% more physicians per 1000 than both the UK and USA.
When it comes to nurses, however, both the UK and USA have considerably more nurses per 1000 than Italy and Spain (US about double, UK 50% more).

If Italy's health system got overrun, it means that when it hits big in the UK and USA you'll run out of beds 10% faster. It also means you'll run out of doctors 50% faster. But not everything is lost: your COVID patients will be pampered thanks to the army of nurses you're running over there.

Hey, by the way, remember China needing to build hospitals in a rush to host the COVID patients? Before COVID hit China had 50% more hospital beds than the UK or the US.

I don't know man, lockdown seems reasonable when you see the numbers.

 

[Cato]

Thanks to the standards of living in the West, we have a sizeable population of seniors and people who live with chronic illness. Enough to collapse our healthcare systems. Look at what happened to Italy. If healthcare collapses, people start dying from curable diseases.

UK is over 1k today - to give you an idea. currently spain is doubling every 3 days and so is the UK

Let me show you some WHO data:

BOTH the UK and USA have LESS beds per 1000 than Spain, And all three have less beds per 100 than Italy (by a margin of almost 10%).
Italy and Spain have close to 50% more physicias per 100 than both the UK and USA.
When it comes to nurses, however, both the UK and USA have considerably more nurses per 1000 than Italy and Spain (US about double, UK 50% more).

If Italy's health system got overrun, it means that when it hits big in the UK and USA you'll run out of beds 10% faster. It also means you'll run out of doctors 50% faster. But not everything is lost: your COVID patients will be pampered thanks to the army of nurses you're running over there.

Hey, by the way, remember China needing to build hospitals in a rush to host the COVID patients? Before COVID hit China had 50% more hospital beds than the UK or the US.

I don't know man, lockdown seems reasonable when you see the numbers.

Instead of a lock-down I think it would have been better to just have everyone over 60 or with preconditions self-isolate
and let people below 60 just continue working as usual and have the virus work its way through that demographic.

 

[Elektro Demon]

My prostitute I go to every month says she can't see me this month.
Fuck you, corona virus.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Instead of a lock-down I think it would have been better to just have everyone over 60 or with preconditions self-isolate
and let people below 60 just continue working as usual and have the virus work its way through that demographic.

Reports from China, Japan and South Korea are that people who passed the virus are getting infected again. On top of that, immunity is not exactly a lifetime thing. Sometimes it only lasts for years - if the virus stays around, if people start losing immunity, this pandemic could become ciclical.

 

[Elektro Demon]

Reports from China, Japan and South Korea are that people who passed the virus are getting infected again. On top of that, immunity is not exactly a lifetime thing. Sometimes it only lasts for years - if the virus stays around, if people start losing immunity, this pandemic could become ciclical.

But in a year, we should have vaccines. So that will solve the problem, I hope.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

But in a year, we should have vaccines. So that will solve the problem, I hope.

Hopefully.

How long do you plan on having seniors isolated from society?

 

[eot]

But in a year, we should have vaccines. So that will solve the problem, I hope.

There's the small catch that a vaccine has literally never been developed that fast in the history of vaccines. Granted, there's a huge amount of resources currently being poured into this endeavour, however that does not guarantee success.

 

[Elektro Demon]

There's the small catch that a vaccine has literally never been developed that fast in the history of vaccines. Granted, there's a huge amount of resources currently being poured into this endeavour, however that does not guarantee success.

If the planet's survival is at stake I believe it can.

 

[01011001]

Hey, by the way, remember China needing to build hospitals in a rush to host the COVID patients? Before COVID hit China had 50% more hospital beds than the UK or the US.

I don't know man, lockdown seems reasonable when you see the numbers.

well... China's population is also many orders of magnitude higher than the UK's and US' population.
it's also very tightly populated in city areas, so viruses spread very easily. hygiene is another big issue

 

[Loki]

NYC just announced that public schools will be closed until at least April 20th and possibly the rest of the year.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

I think it means he wants to fuck dogs.

Is he a white girl?

 

[bitbydeath]

NYC just announced that public schools will be closed until at least April 20th and possibly the rest of the year.

Damn, so I guess everyone has to repeat?

 

[bitbydeath]

No lockdown where I live yet. (Australia)
Trains were half empty this morning though.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Damn, so I guess everyone has to repeat?

It is spring break rn anyway

 

[MastAndo]

NYC going into crisis mode, so it sounds like our office is going to enforce remote work for a while. Though as an IT grunt, I'll probably have to make my way in at least once a week. I'm imagining it'll look like something out of I Am Legend.

Is it dumb that I'm basically going to rely on Grubhub to sustain me during these trying times? Not that that's too far off from how I usually live.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

well... China's population is also many orders of magnitude higher than the UK's and US' population.
it's also very tightly populated in city areas, so viruses spread very easily. hygiene is another big issue

Statistics are per 1000's so population differences are irrelevant.

Population per square kilometer:

UK 274
Italy 200
China 145
Spain 93
United States 34


Let's talk about big cities:

New York 10000
Milan 7500
Greater London 6000 (for historical reasons, the actual City of London is tiny what you know as London is the sprawl around it)
Madrid 5400
Wuhan 3000 aprox (technically 1200, but there's a lot of farmland within the city limits)

 

[bRacing]

I see we still have retards in full "durp the flu is worse" mode.

 

[Faenrir]

I'm in France...panic is starting to spread and people are shopping like crazy for food, toilet paper, etc. even though there's no shortage.
Gonna grab my computer tomorrow so i can keep working. Wouldn't want to be stuck wasting my time.

Yesterday, i was in the Subway and there was a guy coughing, not even using his hands ir arms to prevent spread. people are very undisciplined here smh

 

[bitbydeath]

I'm in France...panic is starting to spread and people are shopping like crazy for food, toilet paper, etc. even though there's no shortage.
Gonna grab my computer tomorrow so i can keep working. Wouldn't want to be stuck wasting my time.

Yesterday, i was in the Subway and there was a guy coughing, not even using his hands ir arms to prevent spread. people are very undisciplined here smh

I did two lots of shopping on the weekend (wife did one and I did another) because items are starting to disappear from shelves already. Mainly TP, pasta and cleaning products at this stage.

 

[Faenrir]

I see we still have retards in full "durp the flu is worse" mode.

Well... 290k to 650k deaths vs 6k...sorry but so far the flu is much worse. Covid *could* be worse but not right now

 

[Faenrir]

I did two lots of shopping on the weekend (wife did one and I did another) because items are starting to disappear from shelves already. Mainly TP, pasta and cleaning products at this stage.

Shelves are empty when people empty them but the next day they're full. Stores have plenty of stock here

 

[bRacing]

Well... 290k to 650k deaths vs 6k...sorry but so far the flu is much worse. Covid *could* be worse but not right now

You base it on kill rate, in which case Covid is infinitely worse.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Well... 290k to 650k deaths vs 6k...sorry but so far the flu is much worse. Covid *could* be worse but not right now

If the medical system collapses under the weight of covid patients, at some point there's no means to treat patients for covid or anything else.

We've seen that collapse in China and Italy already.

Heck, China had more hospital beds per capita than western nations. If they ran out of hospitals to hospitalise covid patients what do you think would happen here.

 

[Faenrir]

Yup, it will depend on if it's contained or not. But i think it's less dangerous than people think...because lots of people are asymptomatic or have mild ones and are thus unaccounted for...which is probably how it spread out from China in the first place

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

That's kindof bullshit though. It's still massive debt people will accrue. Like you're taking away livelihoods with no notice. Unless I am
Misunderstanding soft credits lol

Sorry I missed your post.

Yes, it's bullshit. The economy is going to get hit. We won't know how hard until later.

 

[GymWolf]

Fellow italian here. I totally understand your pain. this whole lockdown is destroying my mental sanity too. I always used to take long walks (3-4 hours) or take runs in the countryside/nature on weekends and always used to take short strolls in the city after work hours. And being in lockdown is killing me. My town major (middle-size town not far from Padova) has forbidden ANY kind of walk or stroll outside, even if you are alone and against the government directive (which in theory allows to take walks alone). I'm already feeling unwell in terms of mental sanity just from 6 days of lockdown (being stuck in a flat with my parents and no garden); if at least my town major would allow short walks in the nearby countryside roads (there are a lot of them near my home), it would ease my stress a lot. i personally don't believe I can manage being locked (without even being allowed for short walks) for more than a month (at least without having serious consequences on my mental health and stress level).

Also some of my friends have already lost their jobs/don't work anymore and can't even look for a new one due to the quarantine, thus they are in a desperate economic situation. I'm lucky that I'm a freelancer and work from home with mostly foreign clients, but many others of my friends are not so lucky and have seen their income disappear completely because they do "offline"/regular work with italian employers.

on top of that, I was renovating a new house for me just before the lockdown started, so now I'm stuck living and working in my parents' home (which I was supposed to stay only for a few months until the renovations were finished) and I have no idea when the company I hired will be able to finish the renovation work on my new flat.

i live in sicily and here the controls are not really strict, today i walked with my dog without a problem, police is not exactly efficent here...

the working\money problem it's what worry me for the most part.
my landlord at work still expect 4000 euros every month and all my client are close right now...

 

[Super Mario]

You base it on kill rate, in which case Covid is infinitely worse.

Who bases it on kill rate? If 10 people die from 100 infections, would that be worse than 1,000,000 infections and 50,000 deaths? Absolutely not.

Now if it continues to spread like wildfire, while maintaining a higher kill rate, then that's something for sure.


Oh, and lockdown is coming to the US. There is no other way to contain the virus.

 

[Potato Chip PRO]

I honestly want this nightmare to end. Stay safe everyone!

 

[TaySan]

It's only a matter of time before all bars are closed here in AZ. I'm starting to get a little concerned of this goes on for too long.

 

[diffusionx]

I live in NYC and to be honest I would rather get the coronavirus then have to live for the next month or more in lockdown. I'd rather get it twice, or three times. I won't get into the circumstance of my life now but let me just say that the isolation might be too much to bear.

 

[bRacing]

Who bases it on kill rate? If 10 people die from 100 infections, would that be worse than 1,000,000 infections and 50,000 deaths? Absolutely not.

Now if it continues to spread like wildfire, while maintaining a higher kill rate, then that's something for sure.


Oh, and lockdown is coming to the US. There is no other way to contain the virus.

It is based on kill rate and ease of spread. It destroys the flu in lethality.