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[GK86]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/...ares-a-state-of-emergency-for-the-subway.html

Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo declared a state of emergency for the subway system on Thursday and said he would sign an executive order to accelerate efforts to improve service, including undertaking badly needed repairs and obtaining new cars and equipment.

Mr. Cuomo said the dismal performance of the system was no longer acceptable and said he had ordered Joseph J. Lhota, the new chairman of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which runs the subway, to provide a reorganization plan for the agency within 30 days, to “design An organization that performs a function,” he said, denouncing the agency’s performance.

Mr. Lhota must also review the agency’s capital plan within 60 days, the governor added. Mr. Cuomo pledged to direct an additional $1 billion for capital improvements.

Mr. Cuomo’s comments came two days after a subway train derailed in northern Manhattan, injuring about three dozen people and raising concerns among commuters that the system had become not only unreliable, but unsafe.

 

[FlyinJ]

Wow. Good.

I just hope this doesn't mean they are shutting down the L for 2 years sooner than next year.

 

[Air]

We'll see what comes of this

 

[Glix]

Good. The subways have been shit lately. I had to walk to Brooklyn from Manhattan last week.

 

[smokeymicpot]

Nothing will change.

 

[Big Blue]

About damn time. It's the economic lifeline for the city.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Can't wait to have even more subways not running on the weekends then they're already is. This is going to be a sweet 2-3 years coming up.

 

[BigJonsson]

Sounds like Toronto

 

[Frozenprince]

Y'all ready for 10+ years of repairs that don't do shit but delay and stop lines all together?

 

[LQX]

Ugh, fuck these idiots. They are constantly fixing the subways and never seem to improve them.

 

[GK86]

Y'all ready for 10+ years of repairs that don't do shit but delay and stop lines all together?

So what we are going through now?

 

[backflip10019]

$1 billion and 10 years later, same delays, same bullshit.

 

[peteykirch]

Maybe that explains why Mayor Billy is always always always late for anything he's supposed to be at.

 

[GusBus]

This needs to happen. The delays in the past 12 months have made the system thoroughly unreliable.

 

[Netherscourge]

NY subways are scary.

And I don't mean the people - I mean the trains, walls, rails, stations, pillars, mysterious leaks, etc... etc...

Minecraft has better looking subways.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Maintaining a system like this must be almost impossible. Everything you do is going to create problems and delays, but it's important to keep them running and in good condition of course.

 

[entremet]

NY subways are scary.

And I don't mean the people - I mean the trains, walls, rails, stations, pillars, mysterious leaks, etc... etc...

Minecraft has better looking subways.

It's one the oldest and the largest in the world, it's also 24/365/7. Makes it incredibly hard to maintain.

 

[richiek]

It's pretty fucked up that New York State, not New York City runs the subways.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Y'all ready for 10+ years of repairs that don't do shit but delay and stop lines all together?

You must not live in NY...

 

[Eegah]

So I left NYC about 12 months ago. Is the subway really that bad? I used it daily and thought the service was fairly reliable, save for the occasional early Sunday morning.

 

[FullMetaltech]

$1 billion and 10 years later, same delays, same bullshit.

Truth. They keep raising the fares and still haven't shown much for it at this point.

 

[captmcblack]

It's pretty fucked up that New York State, not New York City runs the subways.

Yep. And NYS would rather destroy themselves than have to open up the pocketbook in earnest to fund and fix the subway...

 

[Neverwinter27]

How much is the current fare?

 

[theechrisfox]

NY subways are scary.

And I don't mean the people - I mean the trains, walls, rails, stations, pillars, mysterious leaks, etc... etc...

Minecraft has better looking subways.

Right? I've only rode the subway once or twice, but I remember having some real anxiety while riding them right after seeing the humongous skyscrapers and thousands of people walking around just above these flimsy-looking caverns.

 

[Why would you do that?]

Y'all ready for 10+ years of repairs that don't do shit but delay and stop lines all together?

It's necessary. If it isn't done now, then it'll need to be done later, when everything is in a worse state (meaning more time and money to repair) and there are more people affected.

 

[backflip10019]

How much is the current fare?

$2.75, up from $2.25 6-7 years ago.

 

[Viewt]

Ugh, fuck these idiots. They are constantly fixing the subways and never seem to improve them.

From what I understand, most of the projects lately have centered around surface-level improvements - better train cars, rehabbed stations, etc. But the underlying issues here are with the bones of the system that haven't been updated in like 70 years. So perhaps if they're re-focusing on those areas, things will actually improve (in terms of service)? One can hope.

 

[ThatStupidLion]

awesome. new subway coming in 2040

 

[ElectricKaibutsu]

They need to go to a country with good subways like Japan and either directly copy them, or hire one of the railway companies to design the updates.

 

[cryptic]

Great. It really sucks. The r train passed my spot so many times due to cleaning maintenance, making me walk an additional mile past midnight for the longest. Now that they've finished cleaning it still doesn't look any better, it just seems like a show to say that something is happening when nothing really is.

 

[CHC]

How much is the current fare?

$2.75, or free if no one is looking.

 

[MetatronM]

The MTA has always been shit, but I feel like the subway has never run as consistently abysmally, and with as many critical fuckups and breakdowns, as it has over the last 3 or 4 months or so.

 

[jstripes]

They need to go to a country with good subways like Japan and either directly copy them, or hire one of the railway companies to design the updates.

Well, last year they hired the guy who used to run Toronto's TTC as a subway consultant...

You're in for fun times.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

About goddamn time. If lines have to have ass service/shutdown for 2-3 years to completely overhaul, so be it. I'd rather put up with 3 years of misery than a lifetime of disappointment.

So I left NYC about 12 months ago. Is the subway really that bad? I used it daily and thought the service was fairly reliable, save for the occasional early Sunday morning.

Lol you got out just in time. This past year service has taken a spectacular nose-dive. Power-outages, train derails, constant delays and mixed messaging.

In my years as a resident it has never been this bad. By a wide margin.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

I love how cuomo has run the MTA for 6 1/2 years. Was running around all these ribbon cutting ceremonies for the second ave subway and now is all of a sudden shocked and dismayed that years of critical maintenance weren't done.

Its his fault but he's a snake who can't take any blame.

 

[B-Dubs]

So I left NYC about 12 months ago. Is the subway really that bad? I used it daily and thought the service was fairly reliable, save for the occasional early Sunday morning.

It's been pretty bad recently. It's been neglected for too long and it's starting to show it's age, which is a nice way of saying it's starting to run like shit. It desperately needs some fixing up.

 

[GK86]

Well, last year they hired the guy who used to run Toronto's TTC as a subway consultant...

You're in for fun times.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/...d-best-transit-system-north-america-1.4178574


NYC taking back the crown confirmed.

 

[Why would you do that?]

$2.75, or free if no one is looking.

Or $100 if someone is.

 

[Gunslinger]

I hope service gets better. I work in downtown Manhattan by the ferry. 1 hour ride always turns into almost 2 hours due to how slow the trains are in the morning. Don't even get me started how bad the services are at night.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

I switched to Citi Bike, but granted my commute for that is pretty straight forward (Penn to Chelsea Market).

Honestly have no idea how you perform repairs and upgrades on a system that moves as many people as it does, while running 24/7

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

I love how cuomo has run the MTA for 6 1/2 years. Was running around all these ribbon cutting ceremonies for the second ave subway and now is all of a sudden shocked and dismayed that years of critical maintenance weren't done.

Its his fault but he's a snake who can't take any blame.

This.

I think the recent train derailment (which activated Facebook's "mark if you're safe" feature) forced his hand.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

They need to go to a country with good subways like Japan and either directly copy them, or hire one of the railway companies to design the updates.

NYC has 2 times the subway stations and is far older than the toyko subway

Lines like the L and soon to be 7 have upgraded signaling and are much more reliable and faster.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

I switched to Citi Bike, but granted my commute for that is pretty straight forward (Penn to Chelsea Market).

Honestly have no idea how you perform repairs and upgrades on a system that moves as many people as it does, while running 24/7

Either total line shutdowns (which is impossible for most of manhattan) or overnight/weekend shutdowns. Its faster and cheaper to do the former.

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

The DC Metro just finished its "we ignored 40 years of maintenance so now we're going to make everyone's commutes hell for 2 years" phase. Now we have higher fees and shorter operational hours at the other end.

Good luck NYGAF

 

[tedrotheredro]

Meh, I haven't had much of an issue on my 7 line commute. A bit crowded at times, the rare meltdown, but nothing too crazy.

Although weekends with limited service sucks.

 

[Ovid]

Expect $5 bus and subway rides guys.
$10 for express buses.

 

[jstripes]

I switched to Citi Bike, but granted my commute for that is pretty straight forward (Penn to Chelsea Market).

Honestly have no idea how you perform repairs and upgrades on a system that moves as many people as it does, while running 24/7

What Toronto has been doing for the past few years, even though it shuts down at night, is to close a portion of each line for an entire weekend to do upgrades and repairs. (A few hours in the middle of the night is only enough time to unpack and then repack your equipment.)

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

Either total line shutdowns (which is impossible for most of manhattan) or overnight/weekend shutdowns. Its faster and cheaper to do the former.

They stil haven't fixed the tunnel yet and hasn't that been going on for over a year?

 

[Ovid]

They need to go to a country with good subways like Japan and either directly copy them, or hire one of the railway companies to design the updates.

The problem with this is that any major (sometimes even minor) disruption screws up the entire system.

It's not that easy.

 

[prag16]

Y'all ready for 10+ years of repairs that don't do shit but delay and stop lines all together?

Yup. It's already bad enough as it is; whenever I'm in the city I NEVER take the subway. And it'll only get worse before it gets better apparently.