Cyberpunk 2077 on Switch 2 is using DLSS (confirmed by Digital Foundry)
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ReBurn
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GameCube version
Zuzu
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They don't say how often it's at those lower bounds of those ranges.
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kevboard
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They said they couldn't find evidence of it being used.
"We didn't see any evidence of DLSS or any other kind of upscaling, by the way, but it can't be ruled out at this early stage."
Switch 2's full reveal analysed: how powerful is Nintendo's new hardware and is DLSS being used?
Pixel throughput on Switch 2 Special Edition games suggests it's over five times faster than its predecessor.www.eurogamer.net
And in the latest video they confirm that they aren't able to spot the typical signs of DLSS use in Cyberpunk, and speculate that this is due to them being obscured by the low resolution screen space effects.
they found 1 piece of evidence, that light pole.
that motion blur completely destroying image detail isn't great. I dislike motion blur even in best case scenarios, but if they have to resort to that kind of motion blur quality, it shouldn't even be included as a feature
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GigaBowser
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Civilization VII Dev Likens Game's Switch 2 Graphical Performance To "Mid-Tier PC"
The Switch 2 Edition launches this June
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Woopah
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It outputs at 720, not 360. You wouldn't do that on PS4 because it doesn't have DLSS to upscale.
SweetTooth
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Should someone post Greenberg's famous tweet?
I know it output 720p, Im talking internal resolution
Woopah
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Why does the internal resolution matter if its not the actual end result?
Given that DLSS is available, why not use it?
SweetTooth
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And all of a sudden DF becomes a unreliable source on Gaf, oh the irony
Fake
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Fanboys are volatile.
Donkusei
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Yup, and they were wrong.
Bojji
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Are you this upset when PS5 Pro upscales 864p to 4k?
Skifi28
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A mid-tier gaming PC has something like a 3060-4060 which is PS5 level. Do they mean mid-tier office PC or laptop?Civilization VII Dev Likens Game's Switch 2 Graphical Performance To "Mid-Tier PC"
The Switch 2 Edition launches this June
Yes, they missed the wobbly edge on one of the light poles in a scene in the Cyberpunk footage.
Steve Holt
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It causes a lot of people to be upset tbf.
Kataploom
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Well, PS4 isn't modem enough to have the tech required for DLSS, nor is the PS5 as well. Low resolution games upscaled to higher resolution on PS5 using FSR look like absolute shit, nothing to do with base resolution with actual output quality.
If we're gonna talk about raw performance only, then no console is ever worth a penny, they all run games like lower end PC hardware and I'm not talking about raw specs but how games actually look and run.
Woopah
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I think two possible explanations are:
1. The Nintendo version of DLSS doesn't have the same signs as the standard DLSS.
Or 2. The footage shared so far doesn't have DLSS implementation yet.
kevboard
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the reason they were wrong is an issue tho.
they should maybe have motion blur off by default if this is what it doesn't to the image. maybe removing it completely or at least giving a warning when turning it on could even be advisable.
same shit that happened in Alan Wake 2.
I am someone who always turns motion blur off, but many will play with default settings and might find the image quality lacking due to it.
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Ritsumei2020
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But DF said that Switch 2 was too weak to run DLSS
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kevboard
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no they explained in the direct. the motion blur is extremely low quality and makes the image look lower resolution when it's engaged. this hides any telltale DLSS signs.
they found 1 moment in the trailer where you can see evidence for DLSS where the motion blur didn't obscure it
SweetTooth
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How come aren't YOU this UPSET about this news?
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Deerock71
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CDPR is a pretty good source.
EDIT- Based off these comments, I don't give two shits what a system is rendering internally. All I'm ultimately going to care about is how stable is the game, and how does it look on my 1080p, 120fps VRR HDR 8" screen on mah Switch 2?!
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kevboard
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Woopah
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Makes sense, thanks!
Topher
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Civilization VII Dev Likens Game's Switch 2 Graphical Performance To "Mid-Tier PC"
The Switch 2 Edition launches this June
I'm talking about analysis from folks like DF
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Bojji
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Because this is a handheld console, it consumes fraction of power compared to even series s.
It's about having realistic expectations, I always expect raw power of PS4 (or slightly higher) with much more memory and 2020 (beyond PS5) GPU features (Dlss, vrs, mesh shaders etc.). And this is more or less what switch 2 delivered. I don't get why you and some other people are comparing it with ~230W home console.
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Mr Moose
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Zathalus
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It's just pre-launch console hype. Remember how things got before the PS5/XSX and PS5 Pro launched? Even developers are not immune to exaggeration.
Topher
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I think those expectations are perfectly reasonable, but even PS4 comparisons are getting massive push back for some reason. Either way, this is why I say we need to wait until third party testing can put this thing through its paces. The same exact thing we PC gamers say whenever a new GPU is released.
GigaBowser
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my expertartions are the best handheld annnnd with nintendos games
SweetTooth
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Look how reasonable!!!! Im amazed
Kataploom
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Well, for one we're adults or so I want to believe, of something doesn't meet my demands I just won't buy it and buy something else instead, like prioritizing more parts for my mITX PC build
SweetTooth
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Yeah I agree with you but I was pointing Bojjis double standards..
Bojji
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What double standards? Do you expect PS5 level of graphics power from iphone or steam deck? Because this is exactly what switch 2 is, handheld device that has all the processing power inside the unit. Only difference is that once docked there is higher power mode available.
Series s is less than 100W, series x is 200W and PS5 even more than 200W. Switch 2 is rumored to be around 10W?
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Hensen Juang
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At that screen size, perceptually, it doesn't make much sense. It could make sense in docked mode on a TV, but would still be not worth it due to performance
Also the fact that Rich based all of his analysis on full fledged DLSS, so taking into account its performance hit etc etc.
Topher
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my expertartions are the best handheld annnnd with nintendos games
Eh...."best handheld" relative to its power level isn't a given and even if it were the case at launch, I seriously doubt it would maintain that crown through the end of this year with the next round coming fairly soon. But "best" in a general sense is obviously a valid personal opinion.
Minsc
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Well, I can't think of a single handheld that will run at ~5W to 10W and give the output the Switch 2 does. Even the Deck is going to use ~15W-18W on the higher end of it. And the rest of them use double that.
Then again, no PC handheld in their right mind would ever ship a battery rated as low as 20Wh like in the Switch 2. But PC handhelds not being able to compete at 5W-10W is definitely a part of the reason for that.
BlownUpRich
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Woof! Those 360p-720p numbers in Handheld mode won't look good, at all. Even the 540p-1080p in Docked mode, I don't think DLSS would help much, and we're seeing now that they're using "a version" of DLSS which would absolutely not be in line with DLSS on PC, I don't want to jump to conclusions early on, but I have a strong feeling it will look absolutely disgusting blurry mess in both Docked & Portable modes.
Combine that with the already extremely low-res visual effects like motion blur & SSR as evidenced by DF's analysis, I'm already feeling nauseous...
Yes I am pretty negative, sorry, but with some people crying about how games are "blurry" nowadays even with their beefy Gaming PCs & PS5s & PS5 Pros, yeah, Switch 2 ain't gonna be pretty.
Combine that with the already extremely low-res visual effects like motion blur & SSR as evidenced by DF's analysis, I'm already feeling nauseous...
Yes I am pretty negative, sorry, but with some people crying about how games are "blurry" nowadays even with their beefy Gaming PCs & PS5s & PS5 Pros, yeah, Switch 2 ain't gonna be pretty.
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BlownUpRich
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No? So now we're going to say lightweight games that run at 60 FPS consistently are optimized? What do you mean by this post? It's a common knowledge that Nintendo's games, in general, are pretty lightweight compared to most other 3rd-party titles that are available on other platforms or even on the Switch 2 itself, that also doesn't tell us if Nintendo's games are optimized or not, Cyberpunk 2077 is heavier than all of Nintendo's efforts, that's why we're not seeing it running anywhere near 60 FPS on Switch 2, doesn't mean it's not optimized, it means it's so heavy that the Switch 2 couldn't run it at 60 FPS, pretty simple stuff!
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Deerock71
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BlownUpRich
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Talking about Cyberpunk 2077 Switch 2 version here, it's great that it's running on a piece of hardware this small, but that doesn't mean I can't say it's blurry as fuck, we're seeing some areas from the Phantom Liberty DLC already tanking hard, almost reminding me of Crysis 2 on X360/PS3 FPS slowdowns...If only Nintendo would SHOW US THE GAMES!
Deerock71
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You can say it all you want, until you're BLUE in the face, but nobody that's played says anything like you feel like it'll look. Read the impressions of people that have played it. Say whatever you want.
BlownUpRich
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Of course, I was only replying to your 1st reply to me, no hard feelings there, many people may like it despite its graphical shortcomings, and hey, that's to be expected.
LordOcidax
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- Lol, Switch 2 already using DLSS, 540p lol Not Native 1080p…
Buggy Loop
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Imagine what a console could do rather than a 10W envelope of switch 2 and the crazy resolutions 230W could bring
648p
Wow much power
648p
Wow much power
