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Daisy Ridley Thought Reys Parentage Was Revealed in Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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sorry to bump this thread but adding more to luke being reys dad, when ren is trying to go into her mind he mentions how she has thoughts of a single island etc which is obviously pointing out about lukes location aswell ? thus the connection between them two with the force is there just like luke secretly had between him and leia which is brought up in rotj when leia says she felt it too when he reveals about her being his sister
Bobby Roberts
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She's related to a Kenobi, or she's related to nobody.
Either way, the answer doesn't really matter outside of providing some context to why the Force is so strong in her. It's not going to be some sort of key piece of info that reshapes the entirety of the saga to this point.
Not everything is going to be "I am your father," and honestly, Star Wars, outside of that one twist, executed perfectly, has never been about those sorts of twists, anyway. Constantly looking for one, or trying to shoehorn one into the story, tends to be a big part of people's frustrations when their speculations hit the brick wall of the finished film.
Either way, the answer doesn't really matter outside of providing some context to why the Force is so strong in her. It's not going to be some sort of key piece of info that reshapes the entirety of the saga to this point.
Not everything is going to be "I am your father," and honestly, Star Wars, outside of that one twist, executed perfectly, has never been about those sorts of twists, anyway. Constantly looking for one, or trying to shoehorn one into the story, tends to be a big part of people's frustrations when their speculations hit the brick wall of the finished film.
Forsaken82
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So what... han and leia both got the same Mind Wipe that Yoda did to R2 and 3PO? Nothing in the movie alludes to the possibility of her being a Solo (except maybe a throw away comment that Han makes regarding her name Rey as if he's familiar with it) For someone so crazy over the loss of their son to the Dark Side, you'd assume they'd both react when they realize their long lost daughter that they never spoke about returned to them after all these years. I'd even go as far as to argue there is a better likely hood of her being Snoke's child than a Solo, and that's a fucking stretch in it self. FWIW That would fall in line with the original trilogy arc in that the main hero is the offspring of one of the big bads, and given how closely TFA mirrors Luke's journey in A New Hope, I'd believe this over her as a Solo.
I think all this confirms is that she was one of the children that Luke was training up to be Jedi's. I really don't believe it has anything do do with Lineage.
I believe it's too easy to claim she's Luke's child. I think the Obvious (not luke) answer would be she's a Kenobi, but even that makes little sense, unless she's Obi Wan's niece or something because the timing doesn't really line up for her to be Obi Wan's. I honestly don't believe he found a one night stand or true love during his exile, and he sure as hell didn't just start randomly banging chicks at a brothel.
While I agree that she's more likely to not be Luke's, it's foolish to completely rule it out. When Yoda and Luke revealed the info about Leia in ROTJ it was nothing like the defining father moment from ESB. I think people have this idea that if she's Luke's daughter there has to be anon ESB esk franchise redefining revelation. It can be done much more subtly and still feel fresh (through visual storytelling for example) without attempting to reinvent the wheel.
If she happens to be Luke's, I think there's going to be more information and surprises to go along with it.
There's still a solid case to be made there.
Star Wars has always been a Skywalker story. It makes sense to have two Skywalker's one dark and one light as the protagonist and the antagonist of the story. It's a little predictable but also its Star Wars. A little silly to make it seem like a mystery.
bishopcruz
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This whole mystery box thing is one of the worst parts of TFA. There is no way to actually have a good answer. If she is related to Luke, a bunch of fans will have guessed it already, and it won't be satisfying to find out. If she's not, then the bulk of the hints in TFA will have been red herrings and it won't be satisfying either. If she's a nobody, then the rage will be epic for damned sure.
About the only thing I think could work would be that a lot of her time on Jakku was false memories, maybe they pulled a Revan on her or something. But that's a bigger stretch than her being related to Snoke.
If the timeline is what it seems. Ren fell a maximum of 7 years before the movie, probably less. Which would put him older than Anakin when he fell, even though he seems younger. God I hate Kylo.
About the only thing I think could work would be that a lot of her time on Jakku was false memories, maybe they pulled a Revan on her or something. But that's a bigger stretch than her being related to Snoke.
If the timeline is what it seems. Ren fell a maximum of 7 years before the movie, probably less. Which would put him older than Anakin when he fell, even though he seems younger. God I hate Kylo.
Bobby Roberts
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I don't think it's all that foolish.
Maz Kanata ruled it out in the movie.
Looking at this "twist" (if it even is one - a twist recontextualizes everything you thought you already knew. This is likely just going to be a reveal whose usefulness is exhausted shortly after it's done) in terms of not much more than "how can we maximize the twisty surprisiness of it" is probably the wrong way to look at it.
Here, have a twitter thread people liked
friskykillface
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Rey is Dash Rendars daughter
We will all learn that Dash is the true hero of the saga , look what he did in shadows of the empire
We will all learn that Dash is the true hero of the saga , look what he did in shadows of the empire
ViewtifulJC
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Rey is actually gender swap Kyle Katarn, thats why she's so amazing at everything
she was so amazing that when the Empire finally captured her, they just wiped her memory and stuck her on a desert planet knowing damn well they couldnt kill her or keep her captive for long.
She also stole the Death Star plans. The Rogue One movie is Imperialist propaganda.
she was so amazing that when the Empire finally captured her, they just wiped her memory and stuck her on a desert planet knowing damn well they couldnt kill her or keep her captive for long.
She also stole the Death Star plans. The Rogue One movie is Imperialist propaganda.
Vault Dweller 111
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Why would Ridley think it was revealed in the movie if she was a Kenobi? How would that have been obvious?
Pop-O-Matic
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Hearing Obi-Wan's voice during her force-induced flashback from touching the lightsaber.
bishopcruz
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Of course she could just be following the tried and true JJ Abrams method of lying to the audience.
"No I swear Benedict Cumberbach isn't Khan!!! I mean it. Keep guessing."
I hate bad mystery boxes.
And guys she's Yoda's adopted daughter, trained on Dagobah and frozen. When she woke up, Yoda's force ghost trained her, but she became too powerful, so she wiped her own mind when she landed on Jakku.
Her real name is Reyvendark Nightflame Skywalker.
Christberg
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The only explanations that make sense are that she's either Luke's kid or she's a science experiment cloned from his hand that got dumped after the fall of the Empire to me.
Bobby Roberts
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The vision literally speaks to her, twice. Everything else is memories and moments that the saber was around for. But Ben Kenobi reaches through the vision to speak directly to her, and then shortly thereafter, Maz Kanata disqualifies Luke as being a part of her family.
If she'd known via discussions with JJ Abrams that Ben was her grampa or great-uncle or whatever, seeing that in the film would probably cause her to go "Well, shit, that pretty much leads people directly to it, doesn't it."
This forum was one of the first places where a really solid argument for her being a relative of Ben Kenobi got built, in fact. It's lost in one of the three different Force Awakens threads, though.
Into the Light
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I was just posting how she is Luke's kid, because of all the little hints in TFA, but you make a good argument. To be honest I would be happy either way.
What does Maz say that disqualifies her from being Luke's? I can't find the full scene anywhere, and the most pertinent things that I can find are her saying "It was Luke's saber, and his father's before him, and now it calls to you" and "The belonging you are seeking doesn't lie behind you, but ahead", which makes a much easier A to B with Luke considering where the movie ends.
Bobby Roberts
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"Dear child. I see your eyes. You already know the truth. Whomever you're waiting for on Jakku... they're never coming back... But... there's someone who still could.
Rey: Luke."
Luke can't be her dad becaues Maz just said that the family she's waiting for on Jakku isn't coming back - and then SPECIFICALLY says Luke still could. Thus delineating between "your family" and "Luke Skywalker"
Luke Skywalker can't be her family because if he was that sentence would make zero sense.
OR her family is an adoptive family. There is still the slight change that Luke gave her up as a baby to another family, much like he was.
LegalEagleMike
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I am guessing the "Whomever you are waiting for on Jakku, they're never coming back"
edit: beaten
I've stayed out of this mess cause it's absurd that it's spawned so many pages, but seeing as it's bumped I might as well dip in. I think people have way over read into what Ridley said. She thought some stuff was answered in the movie. One, that doesn't mean it was answered. Two, that doesn't mean her assumption is even correct. Three, that assumption could be as mundane as they are random nobodies who left her on Jakku, which is the obvious thing the movie tells you. Four, why you all do this for 16 pages?
SW stands for Skywalker
Bobby Roberts
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And if it turns out she's related to Ben Kenobi through his straying from Jedi Dogma at some point between Episodes II and IV, and we only just now found out about it in the sequel trilogy, that's not really a twist. That's more of a reveal. It doesn't change much of anything about how we view the series, or the fundamental nature of the story. Not in the way "I am your father" did. It just explains why she's so strong in the Force.
Thematically, it would probably provide a little more resonance in that it turns the Kenobi/Skywalker dynamic into something a little more interesting. Ben didn't want to train Anakin. Trained him like an asshole. Anakin turns, Ben basically forces him into the iron lung. Ben keeps Luke safe, and then sets him on the right path, but in the wrong way. Luke rejects Ben's teachings and saves the galaxy in his own way. Now Ben's grandkid has to wake Luke up so Anakin's son can set her on the path she needs to take to take out Anakin's grandkid, who is somehow more of an asshole than Anakin was.
What if the Skywalker story ends with a Kenobi taking on the Skywalker name after ending their bloodline for the good of the Galaxy?
And this is just as valid, and just as likely, honestly. The only real utility I could see in her being related to a character we already know is almost solely as a means to explain her force sensitivity. Beyond that, it doesn't really matter. It's certainly not what's made her the person she is, and that experience is what's going to drive her forward. Not whatever she learns about whoever her parents are. If they're nobodies, that's fine. If they're characters we've never heard of before but are still somehow tied to some aspect of the force unintroduced until now, that's just as good.
Thematically, it would probably provide a little more resonance in that it turns the Kenobi/Skywalker dynamic into something a little more interesting. Ben didn't want to train Anakin. Trained him like an asshole. Anakin turns, Ben basically forces him into the iron lung. Ben keeps Luke safe, and then sets him on the right path, but in the wrong way. Luke rejects Ben's teachings and saves the galaxy in his own way. Now Ben's grandkid has to wake Luke up so Anakin's son can set her on the path she needs to take to take out Anakin's grandkid, who is somehow more of an asshole than Anakin was.
What if the Skywalker story ends with a Kenobi taking on the Skywalker name after ending their bloodline for the good of the Galaxy?
And this is just as valid, and just as likely, honestly. The only real utility I could see in her being related to a character we already know is almost solely as a means to explain her force sensitivity. Beyond that, it doesn't really matter. It's certainly not what's made her the person she is, and that experience is what's going to drive her forward. Not whatever she learns about whoever her parents are. If they're nobodies, that's fine. If they're characters we've never heard of before but are still somehow tied to some aspect of the force unintroduced until now, that's just as good.
LegalEagleMike
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It is, but I took it as the Force simply guiding her to where she needed to be. The student needs a master.
"Your father... was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. He ceased to be the Jedi Anakin Skywalker and "became" Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So, what I told you was true... from a certain point of view."
Just saying there's an out.
Glass Rebel
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Bobby Roberts
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That doesn't really work as an out. The line Maz gives her isn't really open to that same sort of bullshit interpretation. Plus Lucas was working to retcon a thing he hadnt' even considered when he'd written it the first time. Abrams/Kasdan/Johnson all knew who Rey's parents were before Maz's line was written. Different circumstances, different execution.
The real thing for me is that The Force Awakens leaves everything and nothing on the table re Rey's parents, so I guess it makes sense why people get so feverish about it. But that movie didn't tell us. And Ridley didn't tell us in some vaguely out of context and over reported about quote some months later. No one is pointing to anything as a gotcha yet even if they think they are. I just think the best course is chilling out and not ruining things for yourself by trying to assume the unknown and setting yourself up for disappointment in the process.
Bobby Roberts
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And one step further: I'd suggest not hitching your enjoyment or disappointment to whether or not the film proves your personal speculation correct.
"Told you!" isn't a reward worth ruining an otherwise fulfilling movie over.
Into the Light
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For reasons that are un fn known, it seems Disney doesn't want to go that route. It makes all the sense in the world, instead we are getting Bobba Fett? Bobba Fett?
bishopcruz
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Having the mystery box there at all was a horrible idea, especially if you weren't going to deal with it in the first movie. There are two options, they knew what was in the box when the script was written, which considering JJ Abram's track record isn't a sure thing. Or they kicked the can down the road for the next guy.
The problem is, the longer the mystery is drawn out, the more chance there is of it getting messed up. The next scriptwriter can decide that they have a better idea, and make all the foreshadowing pointless, or in the case that the contents of the box hadn't been decided yet, they come up with something incredibly dumb, ala Arrow Season 4, or the bulk of Lost.
Either way, they often become too much of the focus, and I just hope that VIII's script is better than TFA's
Kaneda Shotaro
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Not sure if this has been clarified but Hidalogo was the source of when the Knights of Ren massacred the Jedi. It was maybe 5 years before the events of TFW which means Rey left way before. Ben had just built his saber before the attack as well which is confirmed in the visual history book. So it wasn't until years later from Rey leaving, maybe 7 or 8, that Ben went to kill everyone.
The way I see it, Ben and Rey probably trained together. I'd say he's about 10 or more years older than her right? So he starts showing signs something is wrong around his teens when Rey is a little kid. Maybe even some jealousy of her, that's usually a huge factor with the Sith. Attention on Rey, not in him etc. Who knows. Point being, massacre and Rey leaving aren't connected, timeline wise. Storywise, maybe.
Also, (kind of a big spoiler?)
The way I see it, Ben and Rey probably trained together. I'd say he's about 10 or more years older than her right? So he starts showing signs something is wrong around his teens when Rey is a little kid. Maybe even some jealousy of her, that's usually a huge factor with the Sith. Attention on Rey, not in him etc. Who knows. Point being, massacre and Rey leaving aren't connected, timeline wise. Storywise, maybe.
Also, (kind of a big spoiler?)
her parentage isn't being answered in 8, it's hinted at. Sorry lol. But the massacre and what happened to Ben as well as Luke's feelings on everything will be cleared up.
Unknown Soldier
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I think he was crying because they cut all his lines from the film and he just stands there at the end.
JJ Abrams has said that Rey's parents are not in The Force Awakens. This excludes Snoke, Han, Leia and Luke.
Also Daisy Ridley already said that she doesn't think Rey's parents are important:
Also Daisy Ridley already said that she doesn't think Rey's parents are important:
bishopcruz
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Bobby Roberts
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This isn't really a "mystery box" thing. That term has been misused pretty consistently (I've done it myself) since Abrams introduced it at that TED talk.
And it's a sure thing they knew who her parents were when they wrote the screenplay, they've said as much. Abrams, Kasdan, Johnson, and Ridley all know her parentage, and knew it before the movie started filming.
This seems suspect as hell. Almost nothing from that film even remotely worth a shit has been leaked, but somehow that detail is out over a year before release? I dunno.
Spoiler-game ain't what it once was, definitely.
Lucasfilm. And the reasons aren't unknown - someone recently clarified that they're not eager to go the Ben Kenobi spinoff route yet because apparently there's something to do with him in the Sequel Trilogy that they want dealt with first. Something along those lines.
Kaneda Shotaro
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While I definitely agree with you, unless they filmed it with only a few people on set and do it in ADR, it ain't happening. I think the interviews will be telling as they will try and dehype it the way Mark Hamill did months before TFW so people weren't disappointed.
Having said all that, this is the most tight lip group of people but the rough cut was done before Christmas so unless he somehow locks up that footage and doesn't include it in any cuts and nobody watches it, he parents reveal ain't happening. I think this might also give credit to the theories that she's Luke's kid or a nobody since there's other stories focused on. My personal opinion? Ben isn't enough of a Skywalker character to carry the next trilogy (don't kid yourselves, it's happening) so it's gotta be Rey. These films are written to be somewhat predictable, they're massive space operas focusing on the most powerful and dysfunctional family alive. I think Luke gets it now lol.
In fact this quote from Daisy is very telling. She only says what she's allowed and by my measure, this quote should be a huge massive deal and Kennedy should be in an uproar. But she's not and there's good reason for it. Personally I don't care who her parents are, I want a good story and I think fans are going to be dissapointed one way or another.
bishopcruz
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And at one point early on, Lucas said he had the entire saga planned out, and it was all in his head. People lie for PR. JJ Abrams has a history of it. Either way, things can change, so we will see.
As for it not being a mystery box, it is it's just over a longer time period than anything in ANH, which was Abram's example. A lot of it does resolve in the movie itself, but several mysteries that the movie draws specific attention to are not handled at all. Who are Rey's parents is the biggest example. The reason I tend to not follow that it's a nobody or that they are unimportant is because the attention to them has been drawn. If it's NOT somebody we know, then hiding it is pointless. The longer the mystery is drawn out, the more likely it won't make a lick of sense. We'll see.
DiipuSurotu
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Ben Kenobi saga is probably going to replace the spots of the numbered movies after Episode IX.
Bobby Roberts
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I'm confused - where are you getting this info from? Like, were you on set or something? I'm not trying to like, cross-examine you or anything, I'm just honestly confused as to how you're solid on what was or wasn't shot on the set. Is this a report you read from Making Star Wars? A reddit leak? Do you know a guy who knows a guy?
How George Lucas did shit isn't the best example to use now that he's sold the company to people who don't really operate the way he did, though.
Bonen no Max'd
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Kaneda Shotaro
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My point is, more than one person has seen the rough cut right? It has to be processed, cleaned, released, temp effects etc. you know the deal. So people have already seen many elements of it. Are there people out there who weren't on set able to get the general plot of it this way, go from point A to C with footage being put together? Sure. Also, Making Star Wars doesn't let on as much as they know or they wouldn't have "hits" all year. Heck, they probably know more details than anyone, even some of the people working on it since they can get a piece from everyone and put it together like a puzzle (that's the assumption).
bishopcruz
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I'm just using it as an example about how people lie for PR. It's happened before, it will happen again. Many times writers and directors say they have everything planned out at the beginning, and years later it comes out that they did not. Look at Lost and Fringe for examples from Abrams of setting shit up that he didn't know the answer to.
Bobby Roberts
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So are you saying the spoiler you just dropped came from Making Star Wars? I'm just trying to figure out how you came across the info. Is it an assumption you're making, a thing you heard, or something you learned firsthand from someone involved. That's all.
I'm not trying to dig into the theory of how spoilers come to be, I'm familiar with all that ridiculousness, heh. I'm just straight up asking how you learned that particular piece of information. Is it a thing you know for certain, or is it speculation you just phrased as a certainty?
I don't think they're lying. Abrams/Kasdan/Johnson/Ridley know her lineage. There's no reason to lie about that, especially when the PR line is to simply not answer questions about it at all. Besides which, one of the FIRST things Kennedy addressed when Abrams got hired was that the shit he pulled on Into Darkness (i.e. flat out lying) is not a thing that would be happening at Lucasfilm.
I mean, if you wanna go the route of "well maybe she's lying about not lying" then I mean, I can't really do anything about that, I guess.
Kaneda Shotaro
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Star Wars "spoilers" are the only thing I care about, most films I like to be surprised so yes, things I've heard through the grapevine. These are classic fairy tales, her dad being Luke would be the most satisfying answer as that would fit well with the future stories or her being a reincarnation but apparently, according to sources, none of this is covered and only heard the actors are going to downplay it in hopes fans don't "freak out". Personally, for me, this quote confirms a lot.
Unless this is a massive ruse and they did film an interior scene with a small group that would get sued to hell and back if the info got out. But as each day goes on, that's more footage for new eyes.
bigboss370
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Maz Kanata: [to Rey] That lightsaber was Luke's. And his father's before him. And now, it calls to you.
no shit she thought it was revealed...
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