It provides more incentive for heavy builds but poise does kinda let you blow off a lot of bosses in DS1 and circumvent any necessity for strategy or execution in many cases.
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It provides more incentive for heavy builds but poise does kinda let you blow off a lot of bosses in DS1 and circumvent any necessity for strategy or execution in many cases.
No, I mean the actual human enemies like the Uchigatana wielder at the Firelink Shrine. I'm not a 100% sure if all of them stagger with every single hit, but either way it's way too easy to stagger them.
F0rneus
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Yo I`ll sure take that haha.
Part of the fun, imo. After dodging and rolling and shielding in NG, returning in NG+ to kick major ass by taking the blows was great. YOLO'd 4 Kings in full Havel Armor and I laughed my ass off wrecking them.
Morrigan Stark
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In other words, poise helps DSP beat the game.
I therefore say, poise is bad.
But in all seriousness, it's true that it's kind of lame how useless heavy armours are without poise, I think there's a way to make them viable without making poise as strong as it was in DS1 though. It's weird to say, since I felt it was a bit off in DS2 as well, but I think DS2 might have hit the sweet spot after all. It's certainly more balanced in DS2 than in DS1 or 3.
I did read magic users can destroy NK pretty easily. Aldrich wasn't too bad for STR guys.
Magic makes him super easy. I found this out in my NG+ run.
FF Seraphim
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In other words, poise helps DSP beat the game.
I therefore say, poise is bad.
But in all seriousness, it's true that it's kind of lame how useless heavy armours are without poise, I think there's a way to make them viable without making poise as strong as it was in DS1 though. It's weird to say, since I felt it was a bit off in DS2 as well, but I think DS2 might have hit the sweet spot after all. It's certainly more balanced in DS2 than in DS1 or 3.
The only reason I honestly wear heavy armor in DS3 is for fashion reasons. When I am PvPing I want to look fabulous.
Bring back the fat armor to their glory.
F0rneus
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Morrigan Stark
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Haven't reached The Nameless King on my mage yet, but I wrecked Aldrich with Great Chaos Fireballs. Sorcery seemed really weak though (hadn't obtained Soul Spear yet either).
One thing I noticed though is that the Crown of Dusk doesn't help with pyromancies. So Aldrich's magic attacks wrecked me the first time because that crown makes your sorceries stronger but also make you weaker to magic damage. I took off the crown and kept using pyros and he was cake.
DoubleTake
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Poise does do something. It affects how easily youre staggered, if at all, at the end of rolls.
I feel like From was going to have Poise work like Dark Souls 1 but when they started implementing Weapon Arts they dropped it.
Theres a reason all heavy weapons now have hyper armor and the Weapon Art of Talismans and some weapons has to do with Poise.
They probably developed the idea of weapon arts on top of the Ds1 systems and simply switched poise to off in the code.
I dont feel like having poise would hurt the game in anyway if implemented correctly. This game has more stats than Ds1 and Equip Load and Endurance are separate which means people cant just up 1 stat and get the benefit of 2 anymore. Heavy investment is needed to use a Fast Rolling poise build in this game, which means less points in Health and Damage.
Some suggestions.
The only problem with these suggestions is how it would work with the Hyper Armor system they have in place for so many weapons. Perhaps if you reach a certain threshold of poise and are using a weapon with Hyper Armor, your poise stat takes over and determines staggering instead of the weapon you use?
Also this is coming from a PVP perspective. Poise would likely trivialize the game in terms of PVE. Its a tough egg to crack for From. Its easy to see why they would go the simple route of Hyper Armor and no poise.
I feel like From was going to have Poise work like Dark Souls 1 but when they started implementing Weapon Arts they dropped it.
Theres a reason all heavy weapons now have hyper armor and the Weapon Art of Talismans and some weapons has to do with Poise.
They probably developed the idea of weapon arts on top of the Ds1 systems and simply switched poise to off in the code.
I dont feel like having poise would hurt the game in anyway if implemented correctly. This game has more stats than Ds1 and Equip Load and Endurance are separate which means people cant just up 1 stat and get the benefit of 2 anymore. Heavy investment is needed to use a Fast Rolling poise build in this game, which means less points in Health and Damage.
Some suggestions.
- Have poise affect whether some attacks knock you down or simply stagger you.
- Heavy weapons should all have at least 1 strong attack that ignores poise, so people cant simply walk through all your attacks and combo you to death
- High equip load should mean slower stamina recovery. More tiers are necessary than the 30 and 70 breakpoints. Dark Souls 2 did this well.
- High equip load should have noticeable effect on roll distance. Right now its negligible. Again DS2 did this well
- Low poise should work how it does now. Two swings and you can roll away. To prevent those annoying Ds1 stunlocks.
The only problem with these suggestions is how it would work with the Hyper Armor system they have in place for so many weapons. Perhaps if you reach a certain threshold of poise and are using a weapon with Hyper Armor, your poise stat takes over and determines staggering instead of the weapon you use?
Also this is coming from a PVP perspective. Poise would likely trivialize the game in terms of PVE. Its a tough egg to crack for From. Its easy to see why they would go the simple route of Hyper Armor and no poise.
Even then, I don't think every hit staggers. I don't know, I don't feel a lot of difference from other Souls as a whole, you always could kill loads of enemies in once combo thanks to stagger if you have enough stamina or damage output. On the other hand, yeah, if the poise stat is useless in enemies as well, fighting heavy armored humans should make staggering harder.
Yea, I tried it too. Really bummed me out that being super heavy does jack.
I hear people get summoned here so fast that it causes this issue because you're seeing signs that have already been used. It's a very popular co-op area.
Gotta stack pyro damage with witches ring + swamp ring + fire clutch ring.
3 ring slots just for that. Kind of annoying
As soon as I posted that, I got a positive summon. The power of GAF at work.
Still died, of course.
Tarkus
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Amen. My Lothric Knight Armor and Silver Knight Helm look great in a shade of red. It makes me really tall too.
It's not just poise that is the problem, there's a negligible difference in damage mitigation between medium and heavy armor as well.
Morrigan Stark
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Well, if you're using sorcery, gotta stack Young Dragon, Bellowing Dragoncrest, and Magic Clutch rings. And hopefully Sage's Ring too.
And my mage is doing the
Lords of Hollows
) so I have to sacrifice a ring slot to not look horrible. xDMages are so damn dependent on rings compared to melee, I feel.
MegaSackman
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Oh I forgot, last night I checked, I've Chaos Blade + 5, Dark Blade + 10, Irythill Sword + 5, and
+ 10 yet I don't have the trophy for leveling any weapon at max. What am I missing?
Abyss Watcher's Sword
Orthogonal
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Some people have no shame. Was doing some sunbroing at
and the Host summons 3 phantoms. Whatever, do what you want I guess, but when we enter the boss fight he just runs and hides in a corner while the 3 of us take him out. I don't get it, why even play the game if you're not going to participate in it.
Dragonslayer Armor
Dark Blade should give you that
MegaSackman
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probably glitched. you can try maxing out another sword you like. just needs to be the one with Titanite shards. the Twinkling and Scales don'r work which is lame.
MegaSackman
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Morrigan Stark
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Yeah I don't get it.
I once got summoned to help two dudes fight [DLC spoilers]
Laurence
(Then they later added me and invited me to some chat and kept gushing at how amazing I was and how cool my weapon was and blah blah blah. It was... a bit embarrassing to be honest...)
Oh, Poise was absolutely essential to me on my first run of Dark Souls back when I was a mere Soulsbabe. I definitely used it as a crutch for select bosses and it is very satisfying.
wowowowowowow
I think poise works only during the attack animation or rolling, I been using heavy weapons that have long animations, the higher you have poise the less you get stagger during the animation. This works better if the weapon have stomp or perseverence. You can see the other player hitting you but that don't stop the animation even if they using heavy wepons.
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Noray
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It works differently in PVP... but I have no idea if it actually does anything in PVE. Some say it affects hyper armor but no one knows how, and anywho I've been knocked out of UGS R1s even with a good amount of poise, even super late into the attack. It doesn't actually seem to do anything. Some attacks just have hyper armor, others don't. It's bizarre.
Zombegoast
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To bad poise means nothing when the Estoc exist.
I think that is a rare drop so keep trying. My friend was annoyed by that because it took like 20+ tries.
Jellycrackers
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hydrophilic attack
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For Kirk's armor, does wearing more peaces of it increase damage dealt when rolling, or do you get the full damage with just one piece?
I think it increases
Cameron122
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Controller isn't working on PC again
Red Liquorice
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A little way into Lothric Castle - I see now why everyone was saying Titanite Chunks are coming your way, I upgraded my main weapon to +10 and had enough left over to upgrade my bow to cheese the dragon(s). I like these later castle areas where you re-visit an earlier area that opens up more, it's very Boletaria.
I still wish things were more open during the early game. Upgrade materials are severely limited and gated-off as are paths to take - compared to DS1 or even 2, DS3 really limits the player in where to go - and this is my only complaint tbh. I have issues with enemies and bosses who have multi-hit combos and recover fast, but I feel that's an issue with my gameplay style more than game design. The game is great but it feels so linear, in the same way Bloodborne was. If I had a couple of ways to progress at the start rather than just one, I think DS3 could easily be my favourite of the 5 games.
I still wish things were more open during the early game. Upgrade materials are severely limited and gated-off as are paths to take - compared to DS1 or even 2, DS3 really limits the player in where to go - and this is my only complaint tbh. I have issues with enemies and bosses who have multi-hit combos and recover fast, but I feel that's an issue with my gameplay style more than game design. The game is great but it feels so linear, in the same way Bloodborne was. If I had a couple of ways to progress at the start rather than just one, I think DS3 could easily be my favourite of the 5 games.
hydrophilic attack
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Thanks!
You can
kill Emma to fight Dancer and do Lothric Castle before even reaching the Undead Settlement.
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