Dating-Age |OT3| Positivity, Confidence, and Not Being a "Nice" Guy

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Yeah mang.. she's totally into you cause she played with the talking furry you got her and waved at you that one time. Surely you two eat lunch? Just ask her to grab a bite together. The end.
 
Vent.
Maybe I'm reading to much into it but if because both my past relationships ended with my girlfriends cheating on me.
Despite that I havnt had any jealousy issues but now 6 months in the warning bells are ringing. She expects me to be exclusive and gets jealous fairly easily of other girls like old work colleagues on Facebook.
Girlfriend is learning English but is older, over 30. She like to go clubbing with the friends a bit but hasn't been able to in ages due to the current students at language school being the wrong sort. I don't care about dancing with other guys and stuff. I quite enjoy the early morning booty calls after she's been out dancing.

A new group of students came that will be there for only here weeks and she told me she wouldn't see me much over that time and make the most of it. This is out of the blue. There have been no arguments etc and thing are going great. We see each other at minimum three times a week but quite often most days of the week, over the last 6 months. I figured maybe she thinks she could have a quick fling and I'd be non the wiser with them gone in three weeks.

She was acting strangely non affectionate when I met her last. With a half assed hug and quickest peck of a kiss you could get. She went clubbing and most pic are of one guy. Then today one of her friends tagged her in a pic of the group and her sitting between his legs with his arms around her waist.
Based off the past she would be furious if rolls were reversed. Plus she is barely seeing me so no late night calls etc.

Talking to her about it will be tricky subject to bring up tomorrow. Tips. It's been a week so far and we are going out for diner.

Hehe hopefully none of them are neogaf members.
 
I get sick of people viewing me as some sort of romantic charity case. I am shallow. I don't wear that attribute on my sleeve, but I'm also not ashamed of that. If I'm not physically attracted to a girl then forget it. But you should see some of these girls that my coworkers try to pawn off on me. I've never been one to go on blind dates either. Every time a good looking girl asks me if I'm single I know for a fact they're not asking for themselves. I've started lying through my teeth and telling them that I'm seeing someone because I know what matchmaker bullshit they're up to.
 
I get sick of people viewing me as some sort of romantic charity case. I am shallow. I don't wear that attribute on my sleeve, but I'm also not ashamed of that. If I'm not physically attracted to a girl then forget it. But you should see some of these girls that my coworkers try to pawn off on me. I've never been one to go on blind dates either. Every time a good looking girl asks me if I'm single I know for a fact they're not asking for themselves. I've started lying through my teeth and telling them that I'm seeing someone because I know what matchmaker bullshit they're up to.

What happened to the girl who was into you after you got angry?
 
Vent.
Maybe I'm reading to much into it but if because both my past relationships ended with my girlfriends cheating on me.
Despite that I havnt had any jealousy issues but now 6 months in the warning bells are ringing. She expects me to be exclusive and gets jealous fairly easily of other girls like old work colleagues on Facebook.
Girlfriend is learning English but is older, over 30. She like to go clubbing with the friends a bit but hasn't been able to in ages due to the current students at language school being the wrong sort. I don't care about dancing with other guys and stuff. I quite enjoy the early morning booty calls after she's been out dancing.

A new group of students came that will be there for only here weeks and she told me she wouldn't see me much over that time and make the most of it. This is out of the blue. There have been no arguments etc and thing are going great. We see each other at minimum three times a week but quite often most days of the week, over the last 6 months. I figured maybe she thinks she could have a quick fling and I'd be non the wiser with them gone in three weeks.

She was acting strangely non affectionate when I met her last. With a half assed hug and quickest peck of a kiss you could get. She went clubbing and most pic are of one guy. Then today one of her friends tagged her in a pic of the group and her sitting between his legs with his arms around her waist.
Based off the past she would be furious if rolls were reversed. Plus she is barely seeing me so no late night calls etc.

Talking to her about it will be tricky subject to bring up tomorrow. Tips. It's been a week so far and we are going out for diner.

Hehe hopefully none of them are neogaf members.

That's probably the new dick. I wouldn't accept that shit.
 
Vent.
Maybe I'm reading to much into it but if because both my past relationships ended with my girlfriends cheating on me.
Despite that I havnt had any jealousy issues but now 6 months in the warning bells are ringing. She expects me to be exclusive and gets jealous fairly easily of other girls like old work colleagues on Facebook.
Girlfriend is learning English but is older, over 30. She like to go clubbing with the friends a bit but hasn't been able to in ages due to the current students at language school being the wrong sort. I don't care about dancing with other guys and stuff. I quite enjoy the early morning booty calls after she's been out dancing.

A new group of students came that will be there for only here weeks and she told me she wouldn't see me much over that time and make the most of it. This is out of the blue. There have been no arguments etc and thing are going great. We see each other at minimum three times a week but quite often most days of the week, over the last 6 months. I figured maybe she thinks she could have a quick fling and I'd be non the wiser with them gone in three weeks.

She was acting strangely non affectionate when I met her last. With a half assed hug and quickest peck of a kiss you could get. She went clubbing and most pic are of one guy. Then today one of her friends tagged her in a pic of the group and her sitting between his legs with his arms around her waist.
Based off the past she would be furious if rolls were reversed. Plus she is barely seeing me so no late night calls etc.

Talking to her about it will be tricky subject to bring up tomorrow. Tips. It's been a week so far and we are going out for diner.

Hehe hopefully none of them are neogaf members.

She's about to dump you (hopefully), preemptive strike that shit!
 
Ok, first of all you need to chill out! You are over-analyzing everything.

I play Fire Emblem.

Also, I'm worrying a lot because she's a co-worker. It would be an awfully awkward 6 hours in the office if I fuck up.

Thanks for the advice. My number 1 concern was my biggest worry. I never planned to pounce heavily to begin with. I think like everything in life, timing is very important. I'll try to move in slowly and see how it goes. I'm thinking of asking her to see Wreck It Ralph.

Yeah mang.. she's totally into you cause she played with the talking furry you got her and waved at you that one time.

I'm crazy, not delusional.
 
Hope you guys are having some luck with your dating.

I've had a bit of a time out of from dating over the past month or so, just meeting a girl who is nice enough but not perhaps relationship material really. Good to chat to though, not thinking of taking it further though if I'm honest.

Funnily enough today I met a girl for a coffee who was just.. so ignorant, it was just infuriating. She was texting all the time pretty much, I had to initiate pretty much all conversation.. After about 40 mins of this she had a phone call from a friend where it was an 'emergency' and she had to go. Obvious bail out (I've never had that before.. ouch..) but I countered by saying the parking on my car was up in 10 minutes so I had to go anyway. That really was an awful date though, probably the worst I've ever had. She just had like no desire to be there, the first thing she said was she has another date lined up with a guy tomorrow from "Plenty of Fish" (Yeah, I know.. -_- ) which seemed 'promising'.

Pretty sure I've just come back from a date with Buzz Killington, man what a downer that was lol I'm actually relieved to be home. She seemed like such a laugh on texts and the phone too, how bizarre. I guess tomorrow's date was top of the agenda, not really sure why she bothered coming out today.

I'm meeting someone else next Saturday, onwards and upwards. That was a shitty date to jump back into the dating game though, good luck to who ever she's meeting tomorrow. He'll need it, lol
 
Hope you guys are having some luck with your dating.

I've had a bit of a time out of from dating over the past month or so, just meeting a girl who is nice enough but not perhaps relationship material really. Good to chat to though, not thinking of taking it further though if I'm honest.

Funnily enough today I met a girl for a coffee who was just.. so ignorant, it was just infuriating. She was texting all the time pretty much, I had to initiate pretty much all conversation.. After about 40 mins of this she had a phone call from a friend where it was an 'emergency' and she had to go. Obvious bail out (I've never had that before.. ouch..) but I countered by saying the parking on my car was up in 10 minutes so I had to go anyway. That really was an awful date though, probably the worst I've ever had. She just had like no desire to be there, the first thing she said was she has another date lined up with a guy tomorrow from "Plenty of Fish" (Yeah, I know.. -_- ) which seemed 'promising'.

Pretty sure I've just come back from a date with Buzz Killington, man what a downer that was lol I'm actually relieved to be home. She seemed like such a laugh on texts and the phone too, how bizarre. I guess tomorrow's date was top of the agenda, not really sure why she bothered coming out today.

I'm meeting someone else next Saturday, onwards and upwards. That was a shitty date to jump back into the dating game though, good luck to who ever she's meeting tomorrow. He'll need it, lol
I had something similar happen to me. I had been talking to a girl over texts for about a month and she was so sweet and funny that way, but when we finally met up two weeks ago at the club, she was a completely different person. She kept yelling at the bartenders so they got pissy at her, she eye balled every girl that came near me and she threw a fit if someone accidentally bumped into her. Not to mention she swore like a sailor. I had only seen a small picture on my phone and she looked very cute but she turned out looking very different irl as well. Her appearance wasn't attractive at all and her behaviour just sealed the deal. Needless to say, I think she got the vibe and she's only contacted me once since then (compared to 5+ texts per day).
 
I had something similar happen to me. I had been talking to a girl over texts for about a month and she was so sweet and funny that way, but when we finally met up two weeks ago at the club, she was a completely different person. She kept yelling at the bartenders so they got pissy at her, she eye balled every girl that came near me and she threw a fit if someone accidentally bumped into her. Not to mention she swore like a sailor. I had only seen a small picture on my phone and she looked very cute but she turned out looking very different irl as well. Her appearance wasn't attractive at all and her behaviour just sealed the deal. Needless to say, I think she got the vibe and she's only contacted me once since then (compared to 5+ texts per day).

Sounds like you had a similar experience then.. Quite surprising isn't it. Not much you can do though, you never know. I really couldn't believe she was on the phone texting so much though, I mean it was just plain rude. Not heard anything since which was a relief and I never expect to. Bullet dodged, no wonder she's not having much luck offline.
 
Blah my issues with relationships are being way too shy and a nerves wreck to talk to any pretty girls..I just cant keep a conversion going pass 5 mins..and everything I am into a girl they have a bf :/
 
Blah my issues with relationships are being way too shy and a nerves wreck to talk to any pretty girls..I just cant keep a conversion going pass 5 mins..and everything I am into a girl they have a bf :/

Girls, pretty or not, are just people. Think about it, you are just being held back by a mental barrier.
There might be a guy who has even more issues with talking to pretty girls than you and he may run into a girl he doesn't find attractive at all and have a really long and good conversation with her. Now you run into her and you think she's stunning and end up staggering to keep the conversation going. And then a second girl comes along and the same thing happens, just vice versa.
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." is something to keep in mind man. Our perception of beauty is shaped by outside influences and personal taste, once you know that, you should realize there is no reason to be afraid of any girl.
 
Girls, pretty or not, are just people. Think about it, you are just being held back by a mental barrier.
There might be a guy who has even more issues with talking to pretty girls than you and he may run into a girl he doesn't find attractive at all and have a really long and good conversation with her. Now you run into her and you think she's stunning and end up staggering to keep the conversation going. And then a second girl comes along and the same thing happens, just vice versa.
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." is something to keep in mind man. Our perception of beauty is shaped by outside influences and personal taste, once you know that, you should realize there is no reason to be afraid of any girl.

ya..true I prob shouldnt have used the word pretty..well any girls honestly. but I am working on it. just gotta get out more or talk to people in my classes.

edit: i guess i am somewhat improving my people skill, had this one buddy in like 3-4 classes each semester with me. finally talked to him, got his number and made a friend outside my really small group of close friends. he invited me a party at his place..i went there but left early cause i am nerves around new people i dont know. its weird. p.s i dont swing that way if anyone is wondering, just i need to improve on my people skills honestly.
 
Ok, I think I have a plan and I want more advice/opinions.

Also, I'm analytical, I can't help it. THIS IS ME BEING MYSELF. Without it, I got nothing. At least think and try to plan things out even if they don't work out the way I want.

My birthday is coming up in a little over a month. I'm thinking I might want to take action around that time. Just casual action of course. I've considered being more straight forward, but I know I don't have the guts for it.

Plan A: I can play it safe and ask her to a casual movie sometime after my birthday.

Plan B: I've also considered a slightly more straight forward plan and I wonder what you guys think of this. Chances are she'll get me something on my birthday. I've been thinking maybe I could use it as an excuse and ask her to see a movie on that day (or the weekend). Something like: "I don't really want anything other than to see a movie and ask her if she would like to join me." Is this too bold?

Another alternate possibility I've considered is answering her honestly if she makes a joke about my request, saying something like "are you asking me out?" and I tell her yes. Again, this is ONLY if she does say something to that similar effect. Would this be a good idea?
 
Sounds like you had a similar experience then.. Quite surprising isn't it. Not much you can do though, you never know. I really couldn't believe she was on the phone texting so much though, I mean it was just plain rude. Not heard anything since which was a relief and I never expect to. Bullet dodged, no wonder she's not having much luck offline.
Yeah it's strange. My girl was someone I met on a dating site and she was one of those girls that don't show a profile picture from the get go so there were red flags from the start but I didn't let it bother me and I got a picture via text after two days. She asked me out on a beer date the other day but I couldn't make it (and I don't do dates for that matter). Haven't heard anything since.

Tonight I incidentally emasculated some random guy on the way out of the club by talking to his fling for the night. She'd been dissing the girls I'd been dancing with and I told her that she could at least say hello if she wanted something (she'd joined our circle and just stood there like a zombie, not answering when I said hello etc. Weird). Now it's "decided" that we're gonna meet up at the same place next Saturday xD All while her one night stand was standing next to us.

Don't let the bad stuff bother you too much. I agree that it was rude of her but getting upset serves no purpose either :)
 
Yeah it's strange. My girl was someone I met on a dating site and she was one of those girls that don't show a profile picture from the get go so there were red flags from the start but I didn't let it bother me and I got a picture via text after two days. She asked me out on a beer date the other day but I couldn't make it (and I don't do dates for that matter). Haven't heard anything since.

Tonight I incidentally emasculated some random guy on the way out of the club by talking to his fling for the night. She'd been dissing the girls I'd been dancing with and I told her that she could at least say hello if she wanted something (she'd joined our circle and just stood there like a zombie, not answering when I said hello etc. Weird). Now it's "decided" that we're gonna meet up at the same place next Saturday xD All while her one night stand was standing next to us.

Don't let the bad stuff bother you too much. I agree that it was rude of her but getting upset serves no purpose either :)

Yeah wise way of looking at it. To be honest she wasn't my type anyway after meeting so it softened the blow, but I've not met someone so blatantly rude and well.. Immature from these sites before.... Was eye opening to say the least.

But I agree with you, I certainly won't be losing any sleep over this, lol
 
Ok, I think I have a plan and I want more advice/opinions.

Also, I'm analytical, I can't help it. THIS IS ME BEING MYSELF. Without it, I got nothing. At least think and try to plan things out even if they don't work out the way I want.

My birthday is coming up in a little over a month. I'm thinking I might want to take action around that time. Just casual action of course. I've considered being more straight forward, but I know I don't have the guts for it.

Plan A: I can play it safe and ask her to a casual movie sometime after my birthday.

Plan B: I've also considered a slightly more straight forward plan and I wonder what you guys think of this. Chances are she'll get me something on my birthday. I've been thinking maybe I could use it as an excuse and ask her to see a movie on that day (or the weekend). Something like: "I don't really want anything other than to see a movie and ask her if she would like to join me." Is this too bold?

Another alternate possibility I've considered is answering her honestly if she makes a joke about my request, saying something like "are you asking me out?" and I tell her yes. Again, this is ONLY if she does say something to that similar effect. Would this be a good idea?
Ugh, what is all of this passive shit?

Confidently ask her out. It's what you want to do. Just fucking do it. Being analytical doesn't mean being a wuss.
 
Ugh, what is all of this passive shit?

Confidently ask her out. It's what you want to do. Just fucking do it. Being analytical doesn't mean being a wuss.

Because it's a co-worker, and if I fucks this up, I have to spend 6 awkward hours with her 6 days a week. Can you imagine how much fun that would be? There's nothing wrong with trying to plan things out and figure out what to do first. I know life doesn't follow a script, but I tend to do better having some ideas before hand.
 
Because it's a co-worker, and if I fucks this up, I have to spend 6 awkward hours with her 6 days a week. Can you imagine how much fun that would be? There's nothing wrong with trying to plan things out and figure out what to do first. I know life doesn't follow a script, but I tend to do better having some ideas before hand.

All he's saying is you're analyzing the shit that doesn't need analyzing while ignoring the important shit. For example, the workplace thing is obviously an important factor. Whether it goes well or not shit will inevitably change. But all that before birthday after birthday all I want is you stuff.. not necessary. Ask her tomorrow if she wants to grab a bite.
 
All he's saying is you're analyzing the shit that doesn't need analyzing while ignoring the important shit. For example, the workplace thing is obviously an important factor. Whether it goes well or not shit will inevitably change. But all that before birthday after birthday all I want is you stuff.. not necessary. Ask her tomorrow if she wants to grab a bite.

I normally wouldn't set a time if it wasn't for the creeper co-worker incident. I figured I want to set a time so I can think things through and gather up some confidence.
 
What will change between tomorrow and a month from now? Confidence isn't a stat you level up. If you're going extreme clubbing or skydiving for the next few weekends, by all means wait till you have those experiences under your belt. Otherwise..
 
What will change between tomorrow and a month from now? Confidence isn't a stat you level up. If you're going extreme clubbing or skydiving for the next few weekends, by all means wait till you have those experiences under your belt. Otherwise..

I completely understand where you're coming from. I mean, hell, what if someone else swoops in, right? It's just that you are talking to someone with 0 experience. Up until yesterday afternoon, I never in my life would have thought I'd be seriously trying to pursue a woman. I always thought I'd be in the forever alone crowd, except I wouldn't feel bad about it.

I do want to learn and listen to experienced Gaffers and put whatever knowledge I can get to use a little further down the line. I mean, it can't hurt to be a little more prepared, right?

Edit - Oh, that and Wreck-It-Ralph doesn't come out until late November or something. I really want to see that movie.
 
Because it's a co-worker, and if I fucks this up, I have to spend 6 awkward hours with her 6 days a week. Can you imagine how much fun that would be?
If you don't think it's worth it, don't do it.

There's nothing wrong with trying to plan things out and figure out what to do first. I know life doesn't follow a script, but I tend to do better having some ideas before hand.
The point is that what you plan out should be simple, direct, and confident. You're doing that horrible shit where you're trying to trick her into eventually dating you. Like you ask her to the movies and she thinks it's a friend thing but ha-ha you actually really want her! That's stupid. Ask her out on a date.
 
The point is that what you plan out should be simple, direct, and confident. You're doing that horrible shit where you're trying to trick her into eventually dating you. Like you ask her to the movies and she thinks it's a friend thing but ha-ha you actually really want her! That's stupid. Ask her out on a date.

What? No. I figured I follow UFRA's advice to do something casual and hang out first. Though you do have a point. Not my intention to trick anyone though. I considered being direct, but wasn't sure if I should seeing as I have 0 experience. That's why I can't decide on what to do and came for advice.
 
The girl I met on a dating site had a break in her social schedule to fit in a date, which we had last night. It was a bit of an average night. For those that are interested, here's a quick run down of it in bullet point form:

-Hit up some weights for two hours. Feeling pretty alpha
-Put on my new leather jacket, spend too long putting wax in my hair.
-Went into town early with the intent of having a few drinks before meeting up with my date for the night
-Got locked in a shopping centre while looking for a toilet
-Feeling somewhat less alpha now
-Use my elite Splinter Cell skills to find an escape route
-Now running later than intended
-Decide to message my date to let her know that I'm going to be late
-Realise that I could potentially still make it on time
-End up going to the pub instead which is conveniently located close to the intended meeting point
-Request a stein of beer. They don't have steins apparently. Instead, I request a glass with some beer in it. The girl serving beer doesn't find this amusing
-Get wasted very quickly on a combination of vodka shots and pints of pale ale
-My date for the night tries to call me to see where I am. I attempt to answer on my Nokia N97, which proceeds to crash and rejects the call
-I walk outside the pub to attempt to call her back
-My phone doesn't want to make this happen.
-My date spots me outside the pub looking drunk and confused with my apparent lack of technical aptitude
-My date is a lot larger than her internet photos made her out to be
-We end up having drinks instead of seeing a movie
-Listen to her describe her previous internet date horror stories. Realise that I was going to be on the horror story list report for her next date
-In the time it took her to nurse one drink, I'd had about five more pints
-I made one epic trip to the pub toilet to unleash an explosive bladder. My groan of relief would have been heard by all those within a two mile radius
-By the time I made it back, she'd realised that she had to leave early to 'meet some friends in town'
-Made an awkward parting. She started walking away in the direction I had to go to catch the bus home
-I end up walking half way around the city to make it seem like I'm not following her
-Miss my bus by five minutes
-Stand around and wait alone for the next one due in an hours time
-Had a laugh to myself at how badly the date went
-Pulled out my MP3 player and listened to some Kanye on the bus home
 
Is there any advice for a loveshy 21 year old with self-esteem issues, who has never dated before? I just do not know where to start and would really appreciate advice which is practical and shows me clearly how to get over this. Tried staying positive (not easy when you get depressed at the drop of a hat), being confident (just comes off silly as i'm quiet by nature and anorexic), not being too nice ('nice' is probably the only real quality I had that seperated me from others but it's now making me bitter). Primarily, I just cannot get over the hurdle of asking someone out even if I really like them, they like me a bit, and we share stuff in common (ie. the best possible scenario). Also, as stated in the depression thread, i've got social anxiety and now dislike being touched.
 
The girl I met on a dating site had a break in her social schedule to fit in a date, which we had last night. It was a bit of an average night. For those that are interested, here's a quick run down of it in bullet point form:
This post should go into the hall of fame.
 
The girl I met on a dating site had a break in her social schedule to fit in a date, which we had last night. It was a bit of an average night. For those that are interested, here's a quick run down of it in bullet point form:

-I made one epic trip to the pub toilet to unleash an explosive bladder. My groan of relief would have been heard by all those within a two mile radius

That made me laugh. Awesome post man! Sorry about the date!
 
Did she not like it just because you were so drunk? The story's missing the part that explains why it went poorly.

Yeah you're right. Sorry about that. She clearly wasn't interested during the period that we spent together. From her body language, that lack of interest grew over time. I'm not a messy drunk so I don't think that was the issue.

I'd intended to bail on the date before it even started and just get drunk by myself.

Having her spot me trying to restart my phone wasn't exactly an alpha moment.

In the end it was probably a combination of things but primarily it was just a lack of chemistry/attraction (and a lack of initial confidence on my behalf).
 
What? No. I figured I follow UFRA's advice to do something casual and hang out first. Though you do have a point. Not my intention to trick anyone though. I considered being direct, but wasn't sure if I should seeing as I have 0 experience. That's why I can't decide on what to do and came for advice.

You sound a little like me from not so long ago to be honest. Since my last relationship where she made the first move via mutual friends, I realised things won't always be that easy and so I have to change if I want to be happy. I'm not saying I'm completely filled with confidence now but I'm in a much better position to meet someone new than I was previously, in that I'm not so afraid of being direct.

If you're worried about experience try asking random girls for their numbers so there won't be any potential awkwardness regarding the workplace. That way, you have nothing to lose and you build experience, and who knows, you may even find someone else.
 
i want to hear more about this adventure. i've always wondered what its like getting locked in a mall/store.

First I tranq'd the shopping centre guard and hid is body in the shadows to avoid any alarms. Then I used his key to set myself free and proceeded onwards to a terrible date with an attractive larger female.

Actually, it wasn't that interesting. It was more frustrating than anything. Another guy was locked in as well. There was a beeping sound in the toilet which I presume was a warning that the centre was being closed. I didn't put two and two together and just ignored it.
 
I'll try to keep it short (especially since I'm still a little drunk), but I need some advice and an analysis of my performance tonight.

I went to a bar I never go to in order to see a band I really like tonight. I had a great time, and afterward I was busy talking to a friend and he encouraged me to go talk to some girls. I was drunk, so I felt more confident than usual, but I still couldn't bring myself to do it since I'm so inexperienced at cold approaches.

Then a girl I haven't seen much of since high school came up to me. She's very attractive and thus is very used to guys hitting on her, so I knew if I was going to make it happen I would need tight game. We talked for a few moments, I initiated some physical contact and then I let her wonder off to see her friends. My friend gave me a pep talk to go back after it. After getting my mind in the right place and ordering another drink, I wandered upstairs to see if I could locate her.

I went onto the balcony and she was in a large group comprising mostly people I know from high school but haven't seen in a while. They invited me to join the group. I was a loser in high school, but I feel that I did very well tonight putting up the image that I'm confident and secure in myself. It was probably the alcohol, but it taught me how I should be most of the time.

I was in the group for a while and engaged the different girls individually, knocking each off their pedestal and emitting an aura of dominance. These are the girls that require negs, and I made effective use of them. I was on my game for 95% of the night, but I might have screwed up in the end by showing too much interest in the girl I'm after. To be fair, this is a high-quality girl that requires a flawless performance, and I feel like I would have definitely been successful if it had been someone of lower quality. I was feeling it tonight, but I might have screwed up a bit. I'm inexperienced at this sort of thing but I would have never imagined that I would have been as confident as I was. Regardless of how this situation works out, it's a building block for my game.

Toward the end, when the girls said they were going to another bar, I attempted to stop the girl I'm after. Since our high school isn't too far away from where we now attend college and she generally attends high school football games and such since her mother teaches there, I asked her if she'd be at homecoming next weekend (we've been out for three years now -- we're both 21). She said she thought it was last week (a definite lie) and started to walk off and said that she would come back to this bar later. I told her to "wait just a goddamn minute" and stomped out my cigarette and followed the group inside. I tapped her on the head from behind but she ignored me.

Her (smoking hot) friend stayed behind as they walked off and engaged me. Conversation goes as follows:

Me: "Is she always like this?"
Her: "What's she being like?"
Me: "Well, she's kind of being a bitch. Tell her that it's not too late to enroll in charm school. I hear that's making a big comeback."

Her group left, and I promptly bounced instead of waiting around to see if they'd come back. I have a feeling that they didn't, and I sure as fuck wasn't going to be the chump that sat around waiting or followed them to the other bar. I got in my car and drove off.

So, how should I proceed from here? I'm hoping her friend gave her my message as it was designed as a strongly-worded neg. I usually don't get to much into PUA philosophy but it was needed here as I was punching way above my weight. All in all, even if I did fuck up, I did way better than I could have imagined.

I'm going to the high school homecoming thing anyway since my presence was requested by some old friends, and there's a damn good chance she'll be there. I'm thinking I'll go and ignore her if she's there or maybe engage her but be very aloof and not terribly interested in her. I think I probably communicated too much interest tonight and need to reestablish the idea that I'm not dependent upon her and have other girls to talk to. If at all possible I want to flirt with other girls in front of her.

Am I fucked or is this salvageable?
 
I'll try to keep it short (especially since I'm still a little drunk), but I need some advice and an analysis of my performance tonight.

I went to a bar I never go to in order to see a band I really like tonight. I had a great time, and afterward I was busy talking to a friend and he encouraged me to go talk to some girls. I was drunk, so I felt more confident than usual, but I still couldn't bring myself to do it since I'm so inexperienced at cold approaches.

Then a girl I haven't seen much of since high school came up to me. She's very attractive and thus is very used to guys hitting on her, so I knew if I was going to make it happen I would need tight game. We talked for a few moments, I initiated some physical contact and then I let her wonder off to see her friends. My friend gave me a pep talk to go back after it. After getting my mind in the right place and ordering another drink, I wandered upstairs to see if I could locate her.

I went onto the balcony and she was in a large group comprising mostly people I know from high school but haven't seen in a while. They invited me to join the group. I was a loser in high school, but I feel that I did very well tonight putting up the image that I'm confident and secure in myself. It was probably the alcohol, but it taught me how I should be most of the time.

I was in the group for a while and engaged the different girls individually, knocking each off their pedestal and emitting an aura of dominance. These are the girls that require negs, and I made effective use of them. I was on my game for 95% of the night, but I might have screwed up in the end by showing too much interest in the girl I'm after. To be fair, this is a high-quality girl that requires a flawless performance, and I feel like I would have definitely been successful if it had been someone of lower quality. I was feeling it tonight, but I might have screwed up a bit. I'm inexperienced at this sort of thing but I would have never imagined that I would have been as confident as I was. Regardless of how this situation works out, it's a building block for my game.

Toward the end, when the girls said they were going to another bar, I attempted to stop the girl I'm after. Since our high school isn't too far away from where we now attend college and she generally attends high school football games and such since her mother teaches there, I asked her if she'd be at homecoming next weekend (we've been out for three years now -- we're both 21). She said she thought it was last week (a definite lie) and started to walk off and said that she would come back to this bar later. I told her to "wait just a goddamn minute" and stomped out my cigarette and followed the group inside. I tapped her on the head from behind but she ignored me.

Her (smoking hot) friend stayed behind as they walked off and engaged me. Conversation goes as follows:

Me: "Is she always like this?"
Her: "What's she being like?"
Me: "Well, she's kind of being a bitch. Tell her that it's not too late to enroll in charm school. I hear that's making a big comeback."

Her group left, and I promptly bounced instead of waiting around to see if they'd come back. I have a feeling that they didn't, and I sure as fuck wasn't going to be the chump that sat around waiting or followed them to the other bar. I got in my car and drove off.

So, how should I proceed from here? I'm hoping her friend gave her my message as it was designed as a strongly-worded neg. I usually don't get to much into PUA philosophy but it was needed here as I was punching way above my weight. All in all, even if I did fuck up, I did way better than I could have imagined.

I'm going to the high school homecoming thing anyway since my presence was requested by some old friends, and there's a damn good chance she'll be there. I'm thinking I'll go and ignore her if she's there or maybe engage her but be very aloof and not terribly interested in her. I think I probably communicated too much interest tonight and need to reestablish the idea that I'm not dependent upon her and have other girls to talk to. If at all possible I want to flirt with other girls in front of her.

Am I fucked or is this salvageable?

Egg her house.
 
I'll try to keep it short (especially since I'm still a little drunk), but I need some advice and an analysis of my performance tonight.

I went to a bar I never go to in order to see a band I really like tonight. I had a great time, and afterward I was busy talking to a friend and he encouraged me to go talk to some girls. I was drunk, so I felt more confident than usual, but I still couldn't bring myself to do it since I'm so inexperienced at cold approaches.

Then a girl I haven't seen much of since high school came up to me. She's very attractive and thus is very used to guys hitting on her, so I knew if I was going to make it happen I would need tight game. We talked for a few moments, I initiated some physical contact and then I let her wonder off to see her friends. My friend gave me a pep talk to go back after it. After getting my mind in the right place and ordering another drink, I wandered upstairs to see if I could locate her.

I went onto the balcony and she was in a large group comprising mostly people I know from high school but haven't seen in a while. They invited me to join the group. I was a loser in high school, but I feel that I did very well tonight putting up the image that I'm confident and secure in myself. It was probably the alcohol, but it taught me how I should be most of the time.

I was in the group for a while and engaged the different girls individually, knocking each off their pedestal and emitting an aura of dominance. These are the girls that require negs, and I made effective use of them. I was on my game for 95% of the night, but I might have screwed up in the end by showing too much interest in the girl I'm after. To be fair, this is a high-quality girl that requires a flawless performance, and I feel like I would have definitely been successful if it had been someone of lower quality. I was feeling it tonight, but I might have screwed up a bit. I'm inexperienced at this sort of thing but I would have never imagined that I would have been as confident as I was. Regardless of how this situation works out, it's a building block for my game.

Toward the end, when the girls said they were going to another bar, I attempted to stop the girl I'm after. Since our high school isn't too far away from where we now attend college and she generally attends high school football games and such since her mother teaches there, I asked her if she'd be at homecoming next weekend (we've been out for three years now -- we're both 21). She said she thought it was last week (a definite lie) and started to walk off and said that she would come back to this bar later. I told her to "wait just a goddamn minute" and stomped out my cigarette and followed the group inside. I tapped her on the head from behind but she ignored me.

Her (smoking hot) friend stayed behind as they walked off and engaged me. Conversation goes as follows:

Me: "Is she always like this?"
Her: "What's she being like?"
Me: "Well, she's kind of being a bitch. Tell her that it's not too late to enroll in charm school. I hear that's making a big comeback."

Her group left, and I promptly bounced instead of waiting around to see if they'd come back. I have a feeling that they didn't, and I sure as fuck wasn't going to be the chump that sat around waiting or followed them to the other bar. I got in my car and drove off.

So, how should I proceed from here? I'm hoping her friend gave her my message as it was designed as a strongly-worded neg. I usually don't get to much into PUA philosophy but it was needed here as I was punching way above my weight. All in all, even if I did fuck up, I did way better than I could have imagined.

I'm going to the high school homecoming thing anyway since my presence was requested by some old friends, and there's a damn good chance she'll be there. I'm thinking I'll go and ignore her if she's there or maybe engage her but be very aloof and not terribly interested in her. I think I probably communicated too much interest tonight and need to reestablish the idea that I'm not dependent upon her and have other girls to talk to. If at all possible I want to flirt with other girls in front of her.

Am I fucked or is this salvageable?

Every time you wonder why you're alone, read your post.

Keep your hands to yourself in the future, by the way. Especially don't go around tapping people on the back of the head. The hell is with that shit.
 
I'll try to keep it short (especially since I'm still a little drunk), but I need some advice and an analysis of my performance tonight.

I went to a bar I never go to in order to see a band I really like tonight. I had a great time, and afterward I was busy talking to a friend and he encouraged me to go talk to some girls. I was drunk, so I felt more confident than usual, but I still couldn't bring myself to do it since I'm so inexperienced at cold approaches.

Then a girl I haven't seen much of since high school came up to me. She's very attractive and thus is very used to guys hitting on her, so I knew if I was going to make it happen I would need tight game. We talked for a few moments, I initiated some physical contact and then I let her wonder off to see her friends. My friend gave me a pep talk to go back after it. After getting my mind in the right place and ordering another drink, I wandered upstairs to see if I could locate her.

I went onto the balcony and she was in a large group comprising mostly people I know from high school but haven't seen in a while. They invited me to join the group. I was a loser in high school, but I feel that I did very well tonight putting up the image that I'm confident and secure in myself. It was probably the alcohol, but it taught me how I should be most of the time.

I was in the group for a while and engaged the different girls individually, knocking each off their pedestal and emitting an aura of dominance. These are the girls that require negs, and I made effective use of them. I was on my game for 95% of the night, but I might have screwed up in the end by showing too much interest in the girl I'm after. To be fair, this is a high-quality girl that requires a flawless performance, and I feel like I would have definitely been successful if it had been someone of lower quality. I was feeling it tonight, but I might have screwed up a bit. I'm inexperienced at this sort of thing but I would have never imagined that I would have been as confident as I was. Regardless of how this situation works out, it's a building block for my game.

Toward the end, when the girls said they were going to another bar, I attempted to stop the girl I'm after. Since our high school isn't too far away from where we now attend college and she generally attends high school football games and such since her mother teaches there, I asked her if she'd be at homecoming next weekend (we've been out for three years now -- we're both 21). She said she thought it was last week (a definite lie) and started to walk off and said that she would come back to this bar later. I told her to "wait just a goddamn minute" and stomped out my cigarette and followed the group inside. I tapped her on the head from behind but she ignored me.

Her (smoking hot) friend stayed behind as they walked off and engaged me. Conversation goes as follows:

Me: "Is she always like this?"
Her: "What's she being like?"
Me: "Well, she's kind of being a bitch. Tell her that it's not too late to enroll in charm school. I hear that's making a big comeback."

Her group left, and I promptly bounced instead of waiting around to see if they'd come back. I have a feeling that they didn't, and I sure as fuck wasn't going to be the chump that sat around waiting or followed them to the other bar. I got in my car and drove off.

So, how should I proceed from here? I'm hoping her friend gave her my message as it was designed as a strongly-worded neg. I usually don't get to much into PUA philosophy but it was needed here as I was punching way above my weight. All in all, even if I did fuck up, I did way better than I could have imagined.

I'm going to the high school homecoming thing anyway since my presence was requested by some old friends, and there's a damn good chance she'll be there. I'm thinking I'll go and ignore her if she's there or maybe engage her but be very aloof and not terribly interested in her. I think I probably communicated too much interest tonight and need to reestablish the idea that I'm not dependent upon her and have other girls to talk to. If at all possible I want to flirt with other girls in front of her.

Am I fucked or is this salvageable?

Wait.

Did you really actually tap her on the back of the head as she walked away? And THEN you called her a bitch to her friend?

Whatever this neg nonsense is ... I don't think calling a girl a bitch will win anyone over.

And you're asking if this is salvageable?
 
I'll try to keep it short (especially since I'm still a little drunk), but I need some advice and an analysis of my performance tonight.

I went to a bar I never go to in order to see a band I really like tonight. I had a great time, and afterward I was busy talking to a friend and he encouraged me to go talk to some girls. I was drunk, so I felt more confident than usual, but I still couldn't bring myself to do it since I'm so inexperienced at cold approaches.

Then a girl I haven't seen much of since high school came up to me. She's very attractive and thus is very used to guys hitting on her, so I knew if I was going to make it happen I would need tight game. We talked for a few moments, I initiated some physical contact and then I let her wonder off to see her friends. My friend gave me a pep talk to go back after it. After getting my mind in the right place and ordering another drink, I wandered upstairs to see if I could locate her.

I went onto the balcony and she was in a large group comprising mostly people I know from high school but haven't seen in a while. They invited me to join the group. I was a loser in high school, but I feel that I did very well tonight putting up the image that I'm confident and secure in myself. It was probably the alcohol, but it taught me how I should be most of the time.

I was in the group for a while and engaged the different girls individually, knocking each off their pedestal and emitting an aura of dominance. These are the girls that require negs, and I made effective use of them. I was on my game for 95% of the night, but I might have screwed up in the end by showing too much interest in the girl I'm after. To be fair, this is a high-quality girl that requires a flawless performance, and I feel like I would have definitely been successful if it had been someone of lower quality. I was feeling it tonight, but I might have screwed up a bit. I'm inexperienced at this sort of thing but I would have never imagined that I would have been as confident as I was. Regardless of how this situation works out, it's a building block for my game.

Toward the end, when the girls said they were going to another bar, I attempted to stop the girl I'm after. Since our high school isn't too far away from where we now attend college and she generally attends high school football games and such since her mother teaches there, I asked her if she'd be at homecoming next weekend (we've been out for three years now -- we're both 21). She said she thought it was last week (a definite lie) and started to walk off and said that she would come back to this bar later. I told her to "wait just a goddamn minute" and stomped out my cigarette and followed the group inside. I tapped her on the head from behind but she ignored me.

Her (smoking hot) friend stayed behind as they walked off and engaged me. Conversation goes as follows:

Me: "Is she always like this?"
Her: "What's she being like?"
Me: "Well, she's kind of being a bitch. Tell her that it's not too late to enroll in charm school. I hear that's making a big comeback."

Her group left, and I promptly bounced instead of waiting around to see if they'd come back. I have a feeling that they didn't, and I sure as fuck wasn't going to be the chump that sat around waiting or followed them to the other bar. I got in my car and drove off.

So, how should I proceed from here? I'm hoping her friend gave her my message as it was designed as a strongly-worded neg. I usually don't get to much into PUA philosophy but it was needed here as I was punching way above my weight. All in all, even if I did fuck up, I did way better than I could have imagined.

I'm going to the high school homecoming thing anyway since my presence was requested by some old friends, and there's a damn good chance she'll be there. I'm thinking I'll go and ignore her if she's there or maybe engage her but be very aloof and not terribly interested in her. I think I probably communicated too much interest tonight and need to reestablish the idea that I'm not dependent upon her and have other girls to talk to. If at all possible I want to flirt with other girls in front of her.

Am I fucked or is this salvageable?

I needed some comedy tonight thanks.
 
I'll try to keep it short (especially since I'm still a little drunk), but I need some advice and an analysis of my performance tonight.

I went to a bar I never go to in order to see a band I really like tonight. I had a great time, and afterward I was busy talking to a friend and he encouraged me to go talk to some girls. I was drunk, so I felt more confident than usual, but I still couldn't bring myself to do it since I'm so inexperienced at cold approaches.

Then a girl I haven't seen much of since high school came up to me. She's very attractive and thus is very used to guys hitting on her, so I knew if I was going to make it happen I would need tight game. We talked for a few moments, I initiated some physical contact and then I let her wonder off to see her friends. My friend gave me a pep talk to go back after it. After getting my mind in the right place and ordering another drink, I wandered upstairs to see if I could locate her.

I went onto the balcony and she was in a large group comprising mostly people I know from high school but haven't seen in a while. They invited me to join the group. I was a loser in high school, but I feel that I did very well tonight putting up the image that I'm confident and secure in myself. It was probably the alcohol, but it taught me how I should be most of the time.

I was in the group for a while and engaged the different girls individually, knocking each off their pedestal and emitting an aura of dominance. These are the girls that require negs, and I made effective use of them. I was on my game for 95% of the night, but I might have screwed up in the end by showing too much interest in the girl I'm after. To be fair, this is a high-quality girl that requires a flawless performance, and I feel like I would have definitely been successful if it had been someone of lower quality. I was feeling it tonight, but I might have screwed up a bit. I'm inexperienced at this sort of thing but I would have never imagined that I would have been as confident as I was. Regardless of how this situation works out, it's a building block for my game.

Toward the end, when the girls said they were going to another bar, I attempted to stop the girl I'm after. Since our high school isn't too far away from where we now attend college and she generally attends high school football games and such since her mother teaches there, I asked her if she'd be at homecoming next weekend (we've been out for three years now -- we're both 21). She said she thought it was last week (a definite lie) and started to walk off and said that she would come back to this bar later. I told her to "wait just a goddamn minute" and stomped out my cigarette and followed the group inside. I tapped her on the head from behind but she ignored me.

Her (smoking hot) friend stayed behind as they walked off and engaged me. Conversation goes as follows:

Me: "Is she always like this?"
Her: "What's she being like?"
Me: "Well, she's kind of being a bitch. Tell her that it's not too late to enroll in charm school. I hear that's making a big comeback."

Her group left, and I promptly bounced instead of waiting around to see if they'd come back. I have a feeling that they didn't, and I sure as fuck wasn't going to be the chump that sat around waiting or followed them to the other bar. I got in my car and drove off.

So, how should I proceed from here? I'm hoping her friend gave her my message as it was designed as a strongly-worded neg. I usually don't get to much into PUA philosophy but it was needed here as I was punching way above my weight. All in all, even if I did fuck up, I did way better than I could have imagined.

I'm going to the high school homecoming thing anyway since my presence was requested by some old friends, and there's a damn good chance she'll be there. I'm thinking I'll go and ignore her if she's there or maybe engage her but be very aloof and not terribly interested in her. I think I probably communicated too much interest tonight and need to reestablish the idea that I'm not dependent upon her and have other girls to talk to. If at all possible I want to flirt with other girls in front of her.

Am I fucked or is this salvageable?

Eugh...this PUA nonsense sounds so incredibly manipulative. Kicking girls of their pedestal? Punching above your weight? Doing lots of negging? Tapping someone who is just not interested on the back of her head, and calling her a bitch?

Let me ask you this...from the looks of it she wasn't interested, and she didn't have a good time. Otherwise she would have invited you. So why would you want to 'salvage' this?
 
I'll try to keep it short (especially since I'm still a little drunk), but I need some advice and an analysis of my performance tonight.

I went to a bar I never go to in order to see a band I really like tonight. I had a great time, and afterward I was busy talking to a friend and he encouraged me to go talk to some girls. I was drunk, so I felt more confident than usual, but I still couldn't bring myself to do it since I'm so inexperienced at cold approaches.

Then a girl I haven't seen much of since high school came up to me. She's very attractive and thus is very used to guys hitting on her, so I knew if I was going to make it happen I would need tight game. We talked for a few moments, I initiated some physical contact and then I let her wonder off to see her friends. My friend gave me a pep talk to go back after it. After getting my mind in the right place and ordering another drink, I wandered upstairs to see if I could locate her.

I went onto the balcony and she was in a large group comprising mostly people I know from high school but haven't seen in a while. They invited me to join the group. I was a loser in high school, but I feel that I did very well tonight putting up the image that I'm confident and secure in myself. It was probably the alcohol, but it taught me how I should be most of the time.

I was in the group for a while and engaged the different girls individually, knocking each off their pedestal and emitting an aura of dominance. These are the girls that require negs, and I made effective use of them. I was on my game for 95% of the night, but I might have screwed up in the end by showing too much interest in the girl I'm after. To be fair, this is a high-quality girl that requires a flawless performance, and I feel like I would have definitely been successful if it had been someone of lower quality. I was feeling it tonight, but I might have screwed up a bit. I'm inexperienced at this sort of thing but I would have never imagined that I would have been as confident as I was. Regardless of how this situation works out, it's a building block for my game.

Toward the end, when the girls said they were going to another bar, I attempted to stop the girl I'm after. Since our high school isn't too far away from where we now attend college and she generally attends high school football games and such since her mother teaches there, I asked her if she'd be at homecoming next weekend (we've been out for three years now -- we're both 21). She said she thought it was last week (a definite lie) and started to walk off and said that she would come back to this bar later. I told her to "wait just a goddamn minute" and stomped out my cigarette and followed the group inside. I tapped her on the head from behind but she ignored me.

Her (smoking hot) friend stayed behind as they walked off and engaged me. Conversation goes as follows:

Me: "Is she always like this?"
Her: "What's she being like?"
Me: "Well, she's kind of being a bitch. Tell her that it's not too late to enroll in charm school. I hear that's making a big comeback."

Her group left, and I promptly bounced instead of waiting around to see if they'd come back. I have a feeling that they didn't, and I sure as fuck wasn't going to be the chump that sat around waiting or followed them to the other bar. I got in my car and drove off.

So, how should I proceed from here? I'm hoping her friend gave her my message as it was designed as a strongly-worded neg. I usually don't get to much into PUA philosophy but it was needed here as I was punching way above my weight. All in all, even if I did fuck up, I did way better than I could have imagined.

I'm going to the high school homecoming thing anyway since my presence was requested by some old friends, and there's a damn good chance she'll be there. I'm thinking I'll go and ignore her if she's there or maybe engage her but be very aloof and not terribly interested in her. I think I probably communicated too much interest tonight and need to reestablish the idea that I'm not dependent upon her and have other girls to talk to. If at all possible I want to flirt with other girls in front of her.

Am I fucked or is this salvageable?

Welp.
 
Oh, and something really weird happened to me the last couple of months, which might be useful. Both for me to write up, and for others to read.

In the last couple of years I've gone on exactly three dates. For two of them the girl asked me out, one was the other way around. I was pretty nervous for all three, and none of them were particularly interesting. So my lovelife wasn't exactly exhilarating.

I was doing salsa, kickboxing, and work at a gym. In short, new people abound. But if you're shy that doesn't really matter. I was overly analytical, thought about everything, including the things that could go wrong. Still, I talked to people (and women!!) but nothing really came of it. Going out and talking to people helped my confidence somewhat, but not a lot.

About two months ago I came back from two awesome vacations. I was in complete relax mode and just didn't really analyze anything. Normally that state would last about two, three weeks tops. Now, it's been a long time and I'm still pretty relaxed.

Perhaps it's because two big worries fell off of me, financial and housing. Perhaps it's because I joined an online dating site, that has you just chat with a lot of people. Don't connect with one girl? On to the next one! Perhaps it's the residual chillness of the holidays but...I don't know. Something just clicked...

I just had a date last friday, which was a lot of fun. Yesterday-evening I had plans to go to a freerun/hiphop/circus show with my best friend. He reeaaally had to bail (fortunately). I was talking to a girl in the gym who came by the desk, and before I knew it I had asked her if she wanted to go see the show. She said yes and we had a great time. Next saturday I'm meeting the girl from the dating site. (only one I liked from Paiq, but still). I have an appointment to go dancing with the hottest girl in salsa next wednesday. I used to be too nervous to even open my mouth near someone so Divine as her. Now I was smooth as Don Juan de la Nooch himself.

I have no clue wtf happened, why it happened now, but I'm sure as hell glad it did. But it mostly comes down to just shutting down the overly analytical feelings in your head. Just don't give a fuck. It's been said a million times in this thread, and it's easy to say. But actually following up on it? It's not like you're actually able to flip a switch at will.

I haven't been to Dating Age for a while, so this story might come out of nowhere, but I just had to get this of my chest, and it might be useful. For Cow Mengde for example. For a change try not to overanalyze things. Don't plan ahead. Don't think things through. Don't give a fuck.

edit) this might come of as arrogant. But it's not meant to be.
 
Pre - what. the. fuck. Also praying you weren't the one driving that car after drinking.

Idde - it's not arrogant, it's common sense. Some of us probably sound like assholes here when we tell people to stop crying and "analyzing" and just do something, but the truth is some people just need to be shoved out of their cocoon into a better place where they can grow.
 
What's with the topic title "not being a nice guy"? It has always worked for me. Being polite and nice definitely gets you girls.

Or does it mean to be the guy who just agrees with everything and comes off like he has no own opinions? Yeah that guy doesn't get any.
 
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