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[Hypereides]

How did this man in copenhagen devalue you? Don't you find it depressing that it works being an asshole to other guys to make themselves look stronger? It's weird that it works like that.

He challenged me to a game of pool in front of them, which I refused and said Im only here to observe. He then went on to compliment me on my clothes saying that I look like Im a great pool player. He kept pushing, but I kinda flinched because Im not experienced with going head to head on another player and alpha male'ing them. He then displayed, disqualified me as not being man enough to take a challenge, re-positioning him as the alpha leader.

Later on he used me as social proof to further his power in the game he was playing, when I walked over to him, sat down and told him "I see what hes going for". He then proceeded to raise his voice slightly higher to reaffirm that he still didnt see me as an equal.

He even told me he was all natural and just drunk, with no idea of what he was doing when I busted him on it, which is bullshit.

He was pretty much controlling all the girls (about 8 in the beginning - later 3-4 before I noticed what he was up to) and positioning every guy approaching him or them as a beta male unworthy of women.

What was most impressive that I learned from it was how he did all of this with marginal physical touching. Despite using alot of sexual innuendo, suggestive talk and not being afraid of expressing his sexual desire and openess.

He build up so much sexual tension all the girls were so attracted to him like flies to the nastiest, most nutricient, rich, juiciest, most moist turd you can imagine.

In the end, being as I could see my level was not as high as his I observed and learned instead.

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Despressing? I take it as a learning experience. Its exciting and fun.

I rarely devalue another guy, unless he really deserves it. Some times I do it unintentionally and discover new ways to do it. Besides, Ive rarely come across another player. Maybe three times at most have I identified players. Most guys just improvise.

Same with women, if they treat me nicely, then I return that favor.

By the way Walrus, if you are willing we could meet up some time if youre in Copenhagen.

 

[Furio53]

He challenged me to a game of pool in front of them, which I refused and said Im only here to observe. He then went on to compliment me on my clothes saying that I look like Im a great pool player. He kept pushing, but I kinda flinched because Im not experienced with going head to head another player and alpha male'ing them. He then displayed, disqualified me as not being man enough to take a challenge, re-positioning him as the alpha leader.

Later on he used me as social proof to further his power in the game he was playing, when I walked over to him, sat down and told him and I see what hes going for. He then proceeded to raise his voice slightly higher to reaffirm that he still didnt see me as an equal.

He even told me he was all natural when I busted him on it, which is bullshit.

He was pretty much controlling all the girls (about 8 in the beginning - later 3-4 before I noticed what he was up to) and positioning every guy approaching him or them as a beta male unworthy of women.

What was most impressive that learned from it was how he did all of this with marginal physical touching. Despite using alot of sexual innuendo, suggestive talk and not being afraid of expressing his sexual desire and openess.

He build up so much sexual tension all the girls were so attracted to him like flies to the nastiest, most nutricient, rich, juiciest, most moist turd you can imagine.

In the end, being as I could see my level was not as high as his I observed and learned instead.

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Despressing? I take it as a learning experience. Its exciting and fun.

I rarely devalue another guy, unless he really deserves it. Some times I do it unintentionally and discover new ways.

Same with women, if they treat me nicely, then I return that favor.

By the way Walrus, you willing we could meet up some time if youre in Copenhagen.

That just sounds exhausting.

 

[Hypereides]

That just sounds exhausting.

Not unless you enjoy it. Once you understand the fundamentals, it just gets into your blood.

 

[Jhoan]

I just realized that the last few girls I've dated were bi. lol

Wasn't your ex girlfriend also bi? I'm not trying to take a jab at you. Keep doing your thing. By the way what happened to the chick you were interested that came to your window? You said something about trying something interesting to get in contact with her.

I suppose I have a tale of my own to tell you all. So earlier today, I was talking to this chick (for the record: she's white and from Long Island; go figure) that's in my art class. She revealed a good amount of information in the conversations that we had every now and then. It seems that she likes calling me by my birth name instead of my nickname.

So apparently, she told me that she works at a bar on Saturdays in the Lower East side and that she used to stay at her ex's house because the bar was 20 minutes away. Of course I didn't pursue that line of topic because it's common sense not to as you all know, but this told me that she's single. She also revealed that she's never heard of the Nuyorican Poets Cafe despite working down at the Lower East side, and said that she doesn't know Manhattan like that.

She told me that I should swing by tomorrow after I'm done checking out some art galleries that I have to go to for the class (she's part of my group). I joked around and said I'm going to have to tip her like 3 dollars, and check the bar's Yelp page. She jokingly said that I should write a review about it saying how awesome she was as a bartender.

Now I can't tell whether she wants me to go because she wants me to patronize her or for some other reason; I don't want to read too much into this.

Also if it helps, here's another indicator of interest: She was checking out my drawing that I did (basically, draw everything that I did up until I got to the class) and saw that I take 3 trains to get to school; she told me that she did too. It seems clear to me that she's into me.

So suppose it boils down to whether or not to go the bar. And if so, for what reason? Thanks for reading and thanks for the advice in advance guys. As I said, I don't want to read too much into this.

 

[AdventureRacing]

Not unless you enjoy it. Once you understand the fundamentals, it just gets into your blood.

I enjoy the whole trying tp pick up girls but what you describe sounds very unappealing. That whole setting just isn't my style and i wouldn't like it.

I usually find my partners in a more relaxed setting and i usually don't need to put on some big act to attract women. I'm just not into all those games.

 

[number47]

I give up, I'm utterly depressed and there doesn't seem to be anyone for me. -_-

Thanks, More for me.

 

[number47]

Wasn't your ex girlfriend also bi? I'm not trying to take a jab at you. Keep doing your thing. By the way what happened to the chick you were interested that came to your window? You said something about trying something interesting to get in contact with her.

I suppose I have a tale of my own to tell you all. So earlier today, I was talking to this chick (for the record: she's white and from Long Island; go figure) that's in my art class. She revealed a good amount of information in the conversations that we had every now and then. It seems that she likes calling me by my birth name instead of my nickname.

So apparently, she told me that she works at a bar on Saturdays in the Lower East side and that she used to stay at her ex's house because the bar was 20 minutes away. Of course I didn't pursue that line of topic because it's common sense not to as you all know, but this told me that she's single. She also revealed that she's never heard of the Nuyorican Poets Cafe despite working down at the Lower East side, and said that she doesn't know Manhattan like that.

She told me that I should swing by tomorrow after I'm done checking out some art galleries that I have to go to for the class (she's part of my group). I joked around and said I'm going to have to tip her like 3 dollars, and check the bar's Yelp page. She jokingly said that I should write a review about it saying how awesome she was as a bartender.

Now I can't tell whether she wants me to go because she wants me to patronize her or for some other reason; I don't want to read too much into this.

Also if it helps, here's another indicator of interest: She was checking out my drawing that I did (basically, draw everything that I did up until I got to the class) and saw that I take 3 trains to get to school; she told me that she did too. It seems clear to me that she's into me.

So suppose it boils down to whether or not to go the bar. And if so, for what reason? Thanks for reading and thanks for the advice in advance guys. As I said, I don't want to read too much into this.

Im going to be the weirdest person in the world, and say take me with you. or. a friend. >_>. got the friend as a screen,but you talk to her. while shes not busy.

 

[Hypereides]

I enjoy the whole trying tp pick up girls but what you describe sounds very unappealing. That whole setting just isn't my style and i wouldn't like it.

I usually find my partners in a more relaxed setting and i usually don't need to put on some big act to attract women. I'm just not into all those games.

Judging by what I saw, I'd say that guy has been practising it for years. Hes possibly even a seduction coach. You dont have to do that, or approaching 8 girls at once to filter out the most interested ones.

Most of the time Im mainly approaching 1 or 2 girls.

I recently decided to get back into it. Im taking it slowly, but its pretty thrilling when it works. Im trying out some new things here and there, but in general Im pretty chilled. Besides there isnt much competition from other guys.

 

[AdventureRacing]

Judging by what I saw, I'd say that guy has been practising it for years. Hes possibly even a seduction coach. You dont have to do that, or approaching 8 girls at once to filter out the most interested ones.

Most of the time Im mainly approaching 1 or 2 girls.

I recently decided to get back into it. Im taking it slowly, but its pretty thrilling when it works. Im trying out some new things here and there, but in general Im pretty chilled. Besides there isnt much competition from other guys.

Yeah i can see how that would be fun and i'm glad you enjoy it. I tend to be more the quiet type and i generally don't like being the centre of attention. I would never recommend my style to other guys trying to pick up girls but it works for me. It also seems to mostly appeal to the type of girls i like so it tends to be good for me.

 

[Jhoan]

Im going to be the weirdest person in the world, and say take me with you. or. a friend. >_>. got the friend as a screen,but you talk to her. while shes not busy.

Lol that's got to be either the funniest or the weirdest request I've seen on GAF. I see what you're getting at that though: you're a willing and able wingman with nothing to do. Well I was planning on going at it solo any way if I were to go, but you're welcome to come along assuming you live in NY and don't live too far from the LES.

EDIT: I'd still like a few more responses before I think about stepping foot in there.

 

[Dragon]

I give up, I'm utterly depressed and there doesn't seem to be anyone for me. -_-

There's more than one person for you. You just gotta find her. Snap outta it and get going man. Next post better be reporting your success!

 

[Furio53]

Judging by what I saw, I'd say that guy has been practising it for years. Hes possibly even a seduction coach. You dont have to do that, or approaching 8 girls at once to filter out the most interested ones.

Most of the time Im mainly approaching 1 or 2 girls.

I recently decided to get back into it. Im taking it slowly, but its pretty thrilling when it works. Im trying out some new things here and there, but in general Im pretty chilled. Besides there isnt much competition from other guys.

Yeah I suppose it depends on what your goals are. At this point, I'm more interested in forming a relationship. Of course, that hasn't stopped me from picking up girls at bars, which hasn't been much of an issue. but all of the stuff you're talking about just seems like its built for sexual conquest. Which is fine, of course, but damn it sounds exhausting, haha.

 

[Hypereides]

Yeah I suppose it depends on what your goals are. At this point, I'm more interested in forming a relationship. Of course, that hasn't stopped me from picking up girls at bars, which hasn't been much of an issue. but all of the stuff you're talking about just seems like its built for sexual conquest. Which is fine, of course, but damn it sounds exhausting, haha.

I changed my relationship outlook from monogamous to poly. But I understand where youre coming from. Love is a generous mistress, but cruel too. Its a trip. A high. But once it starts to get all distorted, your mental health will deterioate. And thats where the fun stops.

Being that I have a high sex drive, is why I seek sexual pleasure often. Which is why I do this. And some of my best stories are sex stories.

Plus, my goal is to become a masterful sexual partner.

 

[Furio53]

I changed my relationship outlook from monogamous to poly. But I understand where youre coming from. Love is a generous mistress, but cruel too. Its a trip. A high. But once it starts to get all distorted, your mental health will deterioate. And thats where the fun stops.

Being that I have a high sex drive, is why I seek sexual pleasure often. Which is why I do this. And some of my best stories are sex stories.

Plus, my goal is to become a masterful sexual partner.

Yeah, I understand that completely. My last real relationship was 2 or so years ago. Got burned, and didn't want anything for a while, so I just kept everything casual. It can definitely put you through the ringer. But hey, experiences help, I'm more cautious now.
Well thats good man, your posts are interesting for sure, I find that a lot of the techniques etc. are pretty natural for the most part, so seeing some of the things I do put into a technique index is interesting.

 

[Hypereides]

Yeah, I understand that completely. My last real relationship was 2 or so years ago. Got burned, and didn't want anything for a while, so I just kept everything casual. It can definitely put you through the ringer. But hey, experiences help, I'm more cautious now.
Well thats good man, your posts are interesting for sure, I find that a lot of the techniques etc. are pretty natural for the most part, so seeing some of the things I do put into a technique index is interesting.

Funny, same here. 2 years ago I was in a poly relationship with 2 girls. I seduced them both individually within 5 minutes.

Later on, I made a mistake to cut contact with one of them, in favor of the other, to pursue a monogamous relationship. It didnt end well.... I had a long time depression after that. It crushed my confidence and self-esteem. Which is why I dont plan to return to that in the near future.

Im glad my stories help. Which is of course the main reason I post them, so that people can get some insight and get inspired. Just like I try to help myself from reading other posters experiences and problems here. Its a win-win situation.

The more I progress the better I get. Which is what Im looking for.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Funny, same here. 2 years ago I was in a poly relationship with 2 girls. I seduced them both individually within 5 minutes.

 

[Stylo]

I feel like I'm boring to others. I usually never have ideas on what do to (whether it's hanging out with friends or going on a date). Any tips on improving on this aspect?

 

[hawkshockey11]

I feel like I'm boring to others. I usually never have ideas on what do to (whether it's hanging out with friends or going on a date). Any tips on improving on this aspect?

Start doing some exploring. look for fun things around town, hiking spots, scenic views, etc.

 

[Minamu]

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My man. Respeck knuckles included.

Hehe I just try to keep an open mind even if I'm in the Brent Smith crew these days. There's a lot of misconceptions floating around imho. Women use a lot of these techniques as well, though mostly unconsciously. It works for both sexes because of biology.

 

[CF_Fighter]

Went out to the beach with the new girl today. Had a great time. I can't smoke weed due to my condition, but I ended up shotgunning hits with her. Got an amazing bj in my family's cabana. Meeting up tomorrow at a local Greek festival. Was gonna pick her up, but she is yard sale-ing with her grandmother tomorrow so I'm just gonna meet her at the festival.

I need some help from other people here with this thing that is on my mind though. I told her "I had a great time today", and she responded with "Yea, it was fun". I have NO idea how to read that. That stupid part of me that over analyzes stuff says "She's having doubts, she wants to meet up tomorrow cause she's gonna let me down!" and the other part of me says "She is just damn tired, as we put off plans tonight because we were both wiped out, and she knows I know she had fun. So it's just repetition to her."

 

[Hylian7]

Went out to the beach with the new girl today. Had a great time. I can't smoke weed due to my condition, but I ended up shotgunning hits with her. Got an amazing bj in my family's cabana. Meeting up tomorrow at a local Greek festival. Was gonna pick her up, but she is yard sale-ing with her grandmother tomorrow so I'm just gonna meet her at the festival.

I need some help from other people here with this thing that is on my mind though. I told her "I had a great time today", and she responded with "Yea, it was fun". I have NO idea how to read that. That stupid part of me that over analyzes stuff says "She's having doubts, she wants to meet up tomorrow cause she's gonna let me down!" and the other part of me says "She is just damn tired, as we put off plans tonight because we were both wiped out, and she knows I know she had fun. So it's just repetition to her."

I just want to remind you that she gave you a blowjob......

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

My god I'm so much of a coward it's a joke. I see this girl looking at me every time I look in her direction in class all day and when I finally get a chance to say or do something as she's walking by I do nothing at all, smfh. Sometimes it feels like I don't have the confidence for this stuff and I read these tips in this thread but somehow it doesn't seem to work for me in real life. Can't help but wonder if it's too late to be starting from scratch. I really don't know how you guys do it sometimes, carrying a conversation is pretty hard...especially when you're trying to reach a certain outcome.

 

[Bryan1321]

Hi guys im some situations that i know many of you are experienced so any tips or advices would be apreciatted.

1.-First i have this moral problem about going after two girls at the same time, and i cant stop thinking i took the "if one fails theres the other one" attitude. Any advice on this?. Of course i dont make anything with both just meeting both

2.- Theres this girl that always text me when im on facebook, and just talks to me, But when i see her in person, she acts totally different, like the interest is gone and barely speaks with me, but then talks to me again on FB, Wtf? im just an entertaiment when shes online or what, ive tryed to date her but she puts excuses.... BTW this one its very attractive

3.- Theres this other girl that im seeing once a week shes is nice, not very atractive but im ok as she is, My real problem here is that she tells me, that i need to put the effort and if i want to date her, i need a good propossal, Any tips for first dates?, Btw she seems to like me and smiles in a very good way when i see her

Thnks for the help in advance guys




Edit: MiDNiGHTS... Its NEVER too late, just keep trying and now you seen what youre wrong try to improve

 

[AdventureRacing]

My god I'm so much of a coward it's a joke. I see this girl looking at me every time I look in her direction in class all day and when I finally get a chance to say or do something as she's walking by I do nothing at all, smfh. Sometimes it feels like I don't have the confidence for this stuff and I read these tips in this thread but somehow it doesn't seem to work for me in real life. Can't help but wonder if it's too late to be starting from scratch. I really don't know how you guys do it sometimes, carrying a conversation is pretty hard...especially when you're trying to reach a certain outcome.

It's never too late to get some confidence. Also maybe your problem is that you focus too much on reaching your desired outcome.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Let me run some things by you guys to help me out. So, while I am pretty unlikely to talk to girls randomly I have done it without much success. Mostly I have two issues, one is how do you approach people you have never met with an excuse to talk about something. I've tried complimenting them on something they're wearing because I'm actually into that fashion stuff but a lot of times the answer is so brief it's like when you walk past someone and say good morning, it leads nowhere. Second is a lot like the first in that I have trouble keeping a conversation going and transitioning, I try asking questions because that's easy but again I always get an answer that's sort of brief and doesn't really help me go anywhere. So it becomes easy to think I'm just not good looking or masculine enough to pull this stuff off. Ideally I would be better off in like a bar or a club because people are there for one reason but without a wingman I wouldn't survive.

 

[Hypereides]

Hi guys im some situations that i know many of you are experienced so any tips or advices would be apreciatted.

1.-First i have this moral problem about going after two girls at the same time, and i cant stop thinking i took the "if one fails theres the other one" attitude. Any advice on this?. Of course i dont make anything with both just meeting both

If you arent in a relationship, theres no reason to feel moral guilt and shit. Youre free, and youre allowed to see who you want, whenever you want.

2.- Theres this girl that always text me when im on facebook, and just talks to me, But when i see her in person, she acts totally different, like the interest is gone and barely speaks with me, but then talks to me again on FB, Wtf? im just an entertaiment when shes online or what, ive tryed to date her but she puts excuses.... BTW this one its very attractive

Pass. NEXT! She just wants/uses your attention, to reload her self-esteem/ego. From now on, end conversations early or tell her youre busy. And talk less and less frequently to her. It should trigger a thought of "whats going on with this Dude!?", when her self-esteem wont get your validation.

3.- Theres this other girl that im seeing once a week shes is nice, not very atractive but im ok as she is, My real problem here is that she tells me, that i need to put the effort and if i want to date her, i need a good propossal, Any tips for first dates?, Btw she seems to like me and smiles in a very good way when i see her

Hehe. Sounds like a flirty tease or a COCK tease for that matter. Seems smart too. She stating pretty clearly to you, that you 2 should meet up over some coffee. But YOU have to take charge.

 

[GhostWriter24]

A word to those of you who are shy or consider yourselves "boring": I'm 24 and a few months ago was on a trip with my family to the Dominican Republic (stayed at the Riu Palace, pretty awesome) and met a few good guys from Michigan, Jersey, NY, etc. On about the third or fourth night there, a smokin hot girl from Brooklyn came over to our group and started making conversation with the us, though I was largely quiet, drinking and listening to the conversation.

As the night went on the group split in half and me, the girl and another guy went to one of the neighboring resorts to get another drink. By this time we were plastered but we didn't care, we were having an awesome time. We did shots at the bar and I sat my ass down on one of the lounge seats, and by god, the girl sat right on my lap and started flirting with me. She told me point blank that she was watching me all night because I was the one who wasn't talking to her.

We ended up gettin freaky on the beach that night and hung out the rest of the trip. The lesson is, sometime it pays to just shut the fuck up. Don't kill yourself trying to stand out in a group. Be yourself and let things happen naturally.

And the "nice guy" stuff is horseshit. Treat a girl right and she'll want to be with you.

 

[Shotgun Kiss]

Hey GAF, just after some advice.

I recently started talking to a girl I met on a dating site, and we hit it off incredibly well. We share a huge amount of interests, right down to even having the exact same career aspirations.

We sent each other a few lengthy messages via the dating site, and then she suddenly stopped replying for a week. I voiced my concerns, to which a few days later she said that she has a few family and friend issues to deal with, apologised for disappearing, and suggested we swap phone numbers and continue talking that way. She also said not to worry, as things were going great, and that I was the best person she had met on that site.

Anyway, we've been texting each other for about a week or so. The problem is, since she's got a lot on her plate right now, and texts are infrequent, and feel like little more than pleasantries, as we're not exactly having conversations.

I want to have a proper talk with her, maybe meet up, but above all, I want to know if she wants to be more than just friends or not. But short of outright asking, it's difficult. Or should I just ask?

I was thinking of maybe waiting until tuesday, and saying happy valentines day, and just say that I like her, and I'd like to be more than just friends. Or is that a bit awkward?

 

[Analytical]

Hey GAF, just after some advice.

I recently started talking to a girl I met on a dating site, and we hit it off incredibly well. We share a huge amount of interests, right down to even having the exact same career aspirations.

We sent each other a few lengthy messages via the dating site, and then she suddenly stopped replying for a week. I voiced my concerns, to which a few days later she said that she has a few family and friend issues to deal with, apologised for disappearing, and suggested we swap phone numbers and continue talking that way. She also said not to worry, as things were going great, and that I was the best person she had met on that site.

Anyway, we've been texting each other for about a week or so. The problem is, since she's got a lot on her plate right now, and texts are infrequent, and feel like little more than pleasantries, as we're not exactly having conversations.

I want to have a proper talk with her, maybe meet up, but above all, I want to know if she wants to be more than just friends or not. But short of outright asking, it's difficult. Or should I just ask?

I was thinking of maybe waiting until tuesday, and saying happy valentines day, and just say that I like her, and I'd like to be more than just friends. Or is that a bit awkward?

That depends, are you still in middle school? If not just ask if she wants to go do something.

 

[Shotgun Kiss]

That depends, are you still in middle school? If not just ask if she wants to go do something.

We live about an hour apart, so ideally I'd like to try and find out where we stand before arranging a meet-up.

 

[Svafnir]

I'll keep this as short as possible.

In December I went on a few dates with a girl, but I think I scared her off by coming on too strong. (I wrote her a letter I thought was cute but might have come off "omfg why is he saying I'm so amazing already")

And well she is a 19 year old virgin which I was not expecting, she has literally kissed one guy before. I'm used to the complete honest, so I wasnt sure how to act. I became a creepy-way-to-nice guy.

Anyways things were going well till I came on so strong. We stop talking, and I end up getting into a short lived relationship with another girl which lasts about a month. (she was crazy)

After I broke up with that girl, I started talking to the first girl again. She asked why I broke up with girl #2 I told her, we start laughing and joking/txting again.

And on Sunday we are going to a movie together, do I make a move even though she rejected me last time? (liked me till I came on strong) I like this girl a lot, she is super funny/nice and doesent just party all the time.

I now she likes me, since she will txt me randomly - I just don't know what to do. Feel like this is my last chance.

 

[Analytical]

We live about an hour apart, so ideally I'd like to try and find out where we stand before arranging a meet-up.

Why would a girl on a dating website agree to meet you for a date if she wasn't interested? Especially with such a big distance to travel.

 

[Hypereides]

I'll keep this as short as possible.

In December I went on a few dates with a girl, but I think I scared her off by coming on too strong. (I wrote her a letter I thought was cute but might have come off "omfg why is he saying I'm so amazing already")

And well she is a 19 year old virgin which I was not expecting, she has literally kissed one guy before. I'm used to the complete honest, so I wasnt sure how to act. I became a creepy-way-to-nice guy.

Anyways things were going well till I came on so strong. We stop talking, and I end up getting into a short lived relationship with another girl which lasts about a month. (she was crazy)

After I broke up with that girl, I started talking to the first girl again. She asked why I broke up with girl #2 I told her, we start laughing and joking/txting again.

And on Sunday we are going to a movie together, do I make a move even though she rejected me last time? (liked me till I came on strong) I like this girl a lot, she is super funny/nice and doesent just party all the time.

I now she likes me, since she will txt me randomly - I just don't know what to do. Feel like this is my last chance.

Make your interest clear on Sunday. if youre sitting on say... the couch, and watching movies and she leans into you or something similiar. It will mean she is interested. You can always try putting your arm around her, and see how she reacts. If she reciprocates, it means youre golden. There on, you can brush her hair with your fingertips, to further build interest for you. Eventually turn your face towards her and tell her something like "your hair is so soft", look at it and and for a blink or 2 eye her lips. Then shes prepared for a kiss. Then initiate.

And dont think too much about the meeting, it will work against you if you focus on the outcome.

Seems likely that you have reignited her interest in you when she asked you about why you broke up.

And yeah, if you havent been intimate with a girl yet, emotional porn letters or such are definitely out of the question. It will either scare her away, intimidate her or even make her drop all interest for you like a rock. Girls do like a challenge, not someone who just throws it all at her at once.

That short relationship worked in your favor.

Still not much to work with by your post, since its kinda vague.

 

[Shotgun Kiss]

Why would a girl on a dating website agree to meet you for a date if she wasn't interested? Especially with such a big distance to travel.

Maybe she's just looking to meet new friends? Her profile says that she was looking for short-term dating/long-term dating/new friends.

Who says that meeting up is inherently a date?

EDIT: I've just noticed that her profile specifically says that she's only been on two dates, and she'd like to go on a "proper" one. I'm not sure if I overlooked that before, or if it's recently been added. Should I just outright ask her if she wants to meet up for a date?

 

[Analytical]

You're over analyzing the situation and are thinking too much. Just be confident and ask her if she wants to go out for dinner or coffee or to a museum or whatever.

Or just continue with your other plan of asking her if she like likes you or just likes you. That seemed like a grand idea.

 

[Shotgun Kiss]

You're over analyzing the situation and are thinking too much. Just be confident and ask her if she wants to go out for dinner or coffee or to a museum or whatever.

Or just continue with your other plan of asking her if she like likes you or just likes you. That seemed like a grand idea.

Thanks for the advice, but there's no need to be patronising. I wouldn't be posting in this thread at all if I was pretending to be knowledgeable/good at this kind of thing.

 

[Hypereides]

Maybe she's just looking to meet new friends? Her profile says that she was looking for short-term dating/long-term dating/new friends.

Who says that meeting up is inherently a date?

EDIT: I've just noticed that her profile specifically says that she's only been on two dates, and she'd like to go on a "proper" one. I'm not sure if I overlooked that before, or if it's recently been added. Should I just outright ask her if she wants to meet up for a date?

Dude. She wants to meet you. Get to know you. Thats good enough. It means you sparked her interest somehow, and she is looking to find out if you are what she is looking for.

Meet up, drink some coffee/whatever. Laugh. Flirt. Have a good time.

 

[Shotgun Kiss]

Thanks guys. She said she's visiting a friend this weekend, so I'll wait until monday, and just ask if she wants to meet up. Then I'll just play it by ear.

 

[soultron]

highluxury holding it down. Couldn't say things much better than he already has.

@24FrameDaVinci: If you're implying that -- when we say, "don't be a 'nice' guy" -- we're saying "be douchebags" and "be mean to women," you're wrong. Read the OP and the section on it. We're simply saying be confident, go for what you want, and do it early. Trying to be a girl's BFF isn't going to get you a date with her most of the time. There are some women that this works with, but I'd say they're in the minority. And it's not worth the time coaxing them into things to a time when they're "ready" since life is short and there are women who're ready to date you ASAP if you just confidently ask them and be up front about your intentions. We always advocate being a gentleman (or at least most of us do) in here so don't give me that "bullshit."

 

[Hypereides]

highluxury holding it down. Couldn't say things much better than he already has.

Much appreciated. I dont need the acknowledgement, but those are kind words.

However you dont seem to be posting too often, which makes me wonder hows life going for you? You seem to be posting with bigger infrequent, intervals now.

Its kinda shame though, that you arent sharing some stories or such. But i guess it indicates youre having a smooth time over in Canada.

 

[soultron]

Much appreciated. I dont need the acknowledgement, but those are kind words.

However you dont seem to be posting too often, which makes me wonder hows life going for you? You seem to be posting with bigger infrequent, intervals now.

Its kinda shame though, that you arent sharing some stories or such. But i guess it indicates youre having a smooth time over in Canada.

Well, I'm super busy with working, going to school, and my own GF. I've also been taking a bit of a break from the OT since there's just so much interesting stuff happening over in Gaming right now.

I always read this thread, however. Most of the time if I feel someone else has covered a situation in the way I'd answer, I just don't bother. c:

The thread also hasn't been overly negative lately, if you've noticed. It's mostly guys saying that they're getting and going on good dates!

 

[Darklord]

Yeah, so I decided to leave the 17 year old who I thought was older. I can just tell they'd be trouble. I got another bite on the online dating thing but that shit so far has been slow, tedious and impersonal. I don't like it. It's hard meeting people though like when I go out it's normally to places that aren't the best to meet women at, unless it's for the night. I'm thinking of joining something, maybe a gym.

 

[soultron]

Yeah, so I decided to leave the 17 year old who I thought was older. I can just tell they'd be trouble. I got another bite on the online dating thing but that shit so far has been slow, tedious and impersonal. I don't like it. It's hard meeting people though like when I go out it's normally to places that aren't the best to meet women at, unless it's for the night. I'm thinking of joining something, maybe a gym.

Good call on the 17-year-old, in my opinion. Things would've bit you in the ass eventually, I feel.

Joining the gym is a great idea. I work at a gym and it's pretty friendly here. All of our members are very sociable and welcoming to new members. Some date each other and some are friends outside of the gym after a while. It's definitely a positive atmosphere if you find the right gym.

There are health benefits as well, but that's obvious. c:

If you have the cash, I'd recommend getting a personal trainer 3x a week. Make sure you get a good feel for them though. Get one who really wants to help you set goals and meet these goals. I know that there are a lot of shitty personal trainers out there who are ignorant (think they know everything, resistant to change, refuse to keep learning) and/or just want your money. A good trainer however, can kick your ass, motivate you, and get the best out of you that you didn't even know you were capable of. They'll get you solid results if you go 3x a week and you listen to everything they tell you. Consider this. Start with joining the gym first, however!

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

Is asking a girl to dinner a bit too forward, or is it better to just say drinks/coffee? I've tried both, and they didn't seem to work. Or maybe I'm just not picking up the right signals.

 

[Hypereides]

Well, I'm super busy with working, going to school, and my own GF. I've also been taking a bit of a break from the OT since there's just so much interesting stuff happening over in Gaming right now.

I always read this thread, however. Most of the time if I feel someone else has covered a situation in the way I'd answer, I just don't bother. c:

The thread also hasn't been overly negative lately, if you've noticed. It's mostly guys saying that they're getting and going on good dates!

Glad to hear that!

Sounds like life is treating you well.

Actually, yeah Im seeing much more positivity through these the last few pages, which is encouraging. Probably means something is going right.

Rock on broseph. Keep in touch.

Yeah, so I decided to leave the 17 year old who I thought was older. I can just tell they'd be trouble. I got another bite on the online dating thing but that shit so far has been slow, tedious and impersonal. I don't like it. It's hard meeting people though like when I go out it's normally to places that aren't the best to meet women at, unless it's for the night. I'm thinking of joining something, maybe a gym.

Yeah, thats the thing about teenagers. They're best treated/suited as fuck buddies or open relationships. Girls that age are commonly unpredictable, manipulative, vain/superficial, insecure, validation/attention-seeking and immature. They seek older dominating men, because most guys their age have very limited experience with women/girls. Its the typical teenage story.

They can mask it under charm and confidence, appearing more grown up, but its always the same shit.

Like the 19 year old Female Pick Up Artist Ive been talking about, thats been playing minds games on me. Next time she texts me at some point (which is pretty much setup by now), Im gonna game her so hard she wont even see it coming. From now on, Im going to be too busy to meet her, rescheduling any opportunity.

Reading through some FPUA blogs has given me some very relateble traits/moves/tricks shes been showing. I feel kinda stupid, I fell for it but I know better.

Whenever I think about attracting teenagers, I usually put this song on:

Kid rock - so hott

It totally puts me in the right mindset.

 

[soultron]

The idea of a FPUA is hilarious, in a way. Mostly because women don't typically do the approaching. If it's a by-product or counter-culture of PUA, it makes sense, however -- especially if it's a defensive measure to protect from PUA tactics. It doesn't sound like that from your posts though, highluxury. I'll have to do some reading.

 

[Darklord]

If you have the cash, I'd recommend getting a personal trainer 3x a week. Make sure you get a good feel for them though. Get one who really wants to help you set goals and meet these goals. I know that there are a lot of shitty personal trainers out there who are ignorant (think they know everything, resistant to change, refuse to keep learning) and/or just want your money. A good trainer however, can kick your ass, motivate you, and get the best out of you that you didn't even know you were capable of. They'll get you solid results if you go 3x a week and you listen to everything they tell you. Consider this. Start with joining the gym first, however!

Nice. As long as they aren't crazy expensive I could afford one. There's a TAFE institute right near me with a full gym there. People who don't go there can use it too(for a higher fee). Could be good considering the people there would be 95% 18-early 20's.

 

[Hypereides]

The idea of a FPUA is hilarious, in a way. Mostly because women don't typically do the approaching. If it's a by-product or counter-culture of PUA, it makes sense, however -- especially if it's a defensive measure to protect from PUA tactics. It doesn't sound like that from your posts though, highluxury. I'll have to do some reading.

Nah, FPUAs are those females that go after men they desire. Just like PUA pursue women they want. Its pretty much the same thing.

It also makes it easier for them identifying other PUAs so their guard is always up unless they find him attractive. In which case they ALLOW him to make a move.

There are communities out there where they share typical opening lines and techniques by PUAs, to avoid getting seduced.

Spoiler

The 19 year old girl actually seduced me in fact. Apparently she views me as a desirable man. But my guard was down back then so I just went with the flow. She was pretty aggressive in her approach too.

Story is I was sitting with some guys having a beer at this rock bar, laid back and relaxed, when she walks in. I just turned to see who it was and noticed she looked right at me and immediately looked away. I figured oh well, shes not interested.

As the evening proceeds, I run out of cigarettes and notice shes a smoker. So I get the idea to gauge her interest. Shes sitting right across from us at a table with her back facing me.

I walk over and approach her, leaning close to her face I ask for a smoke. "sure... you can always come back if you want more...". That really took me by surprise, when she was being so straight forward.

Anyways, I went back to my dudes, we hang out a bit, talk and at one point they decide to leave. I greet farewell, and tell 'em I'll hang around for a bit and talk to the 19 year old blond.

So I walk over, sit down right next to her and engage the group. We talk about politics and shit. She talks to me about small things like, where shes from, and is very inviting.She rewards me with these subtle naughty smiles and eyes.

Next thing I know, shes stroking my inner thigh and cock region under the table. Again, fucking surprised I keep my cool and get where this is going. I reciprocate, and start stroking her. Thinking back, it was kinda awkward sitting there, with all the super sexual contact under the table and acting like everything is normal above the table surface.

We continue this for a while, and talking and suddenly she turns around, leans towards me and asks:" so... what do I get for all those cigarettes?". I get the motion, and lean in kissing her. She grabs me by the neck and pulls me in.

I remember seeing her friend and acquaintances stareing at us in shock for a moment. She was playing me good, but I was too blind to see it. She was guiding me, leading me, and had control over me.

Night comes, the bar closes. We go outside, and notice her girl friend is getting some tongue action by one of the dudes from the politics group. She points it out, insuating we should kiss. I dive in.

So she suggests, we should take it somewhere private. But in the back of my mind I didnt want her friend to go home alone. So instead, let go and tell her I'll get her number instead.

Next part is super summarised and simplified:

I did, and since then shes positioning herself as the prize and flakeing on me time and time again. We did eventually meet, but she withheld sex and told me she couldnt fuck that night. I probably shouldve pushed a bit more, because she was super horny.

Since then, Ive wrongfully been validating her attention. She still seems to have some of interest in me. But then again I know shes been seeing this fuck buddy of hers time and time again on 'dates' on facebook... how obvious can she be. Its painfully transparent shes choosing who she wants to fuck. But she told me herself, shes not the type that falls in love and that shes a sexual being which can only mean she has men in reserve for sex.

Wow, sorry that was a long post!

EDIT: just spoilered for minor privacy.

 

[BronzeWolf]

Crap, this thread advanced fast, I'll try to keep up with the pace

 

[Hypereides]

Its Saturday night Dating-GAF. Get your freak on!

Im going to finish up my wine, and take a stroll to my usuall venue and see what happens. Have a great night!