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Lord Virgin
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Except it was very bad.
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Except it was very bad.
Agreed. I actually felt insulted when it ended by the power of friendship after a dance off. God save us from such a thing on Shazam or something.
Father_Brain
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Well, unlike some people in this thread, I actually put more stock in what professional film critics have to say than in Twitter impressions. Let's see what things look like when the embargo lifts.
Of course not, just that I treat professional film critics as a more reliable gauge of quality than I do the sorts of impressions that appear before a review embargo lifts.
Because there's "professional critics" that argued Man of Steel was a bad movie... not because it was a bad movie, but because "not mah superman" Which has nothing to do with MOS since it's a re-telling/re-imagining. Judge the movie as it stands, and not on the merit of how well it aligns with Reeve's Superman. You can bet it'll happen again.
Entertaining, but god what a terrible villain that made for such a shallow and inconsequential villain with no stakes. Them dancing at the end was a "We're Marvel and we know we have bad villains but you're gonna take this and like it". HATED the ending. Also, Ronan betraying Thanos does barely builds up Ronan as someone who might be an equal... but then the dance off craps all over that theory while at the same time we see Thanos, but someone undermining him which lessens HIS character. If Ronan is disrespecting him and not taking him seriously, why should I?
It's a complete 180 with how DD treats Fisk. They tremble at his name. They are afraid to even mention it. He has so many "soldiers" with unwavering loyalty. (Granted I'm only on episode 6 of the first season, but really good so far)
Did your mother like the movies?
She had already seen all 4, but yes, she did. Also, I don't know why but she really really likes Bale's Batman, to the point that she doesn't believe that Affleck can do it better.
Father_Brain
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I know that there's no winning an argument when the "not muh Superman" meme is brought up, but... maybe Man of Steel really just wasn't that great a film?
You can disagree all you like, and everyone who thinks MoS was some kind of masterpiece is of course entitled to that opinion, but I honestly don't think there's an alternate reality where MoS is judged completely independently of the existing Superman canon and ends up anywhere near, I dunno, a 90% Rotten score.
Schweinehund
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Billy is brutal. A stone cold killer.
I think he's killed Black Adam atleast 4 different times in his origin
.Same, that ending felt like it belonged in a Care Bears movie.
broncobuster
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Thinking a high 6 for BvS, low 7 if exceptionally good.
Few argue MoS is a great film. I certainly wouldn't. It's a matter of the overwhelming discussion about the film, not being about the film.
Few argue MoS is a great film. I certainly wouldn't. It's a matter of the overwhelming discussion about the film, not being about the film.
eh...
you could say the same thing about the Raimi Spider-Man films and they're at the top of the list
pretty sure Man of Steel was just a bad movie
thehypocrite
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Put at least a small description about what that is.
No no, most of the reviews I think judged that movie on the merit of that movie, even though I don't agree with their views. Then there were others that legit went, not accurate portrayal of (my) Superman, -5 points. I don't think there was a huge controversy either, some people just happened to review it on that basis and it's a bit disheartening because that has nothing to do with the movie itself.
No it wasn't.pretty sure Man of Steel was just a bad movie
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Lord Virgin
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So soon we won't have any bunnies left? Ohh well.
Poodlestrike
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The problem is that there's 2 largely distinct camps of criticism regarding MoS: criticizing the film for what it is, and criticizing the film for what it's not. The "not muh superman" meme is a shot at the latter for being frankly moronic. You want to talk plot holes, or clunky dialogue, or weird pacing, fine, but "Superman isn't X" isn't a discussion worth having, and it seems to be a refrain that's going to continue into BvS.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
If you don't care about reviews, don't tell people they're objectively wrong. All opinions are inherently subjective but you can't argue for objectiveness while simultaneously rejecting the general consensus.
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Lord Virgin
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The last days man, cherish it. You'll miss it.
Once the movie hits, we are going to need a new cycle.
One can say one like a movie that it's not good, or that you can dislike one that is, but a good movie is a good movie. I argue that MoS IS a good movie, but I don't argue that the Marvel movies are not good, they are, in what they are trying to do, which is what I don't like.
BvS has a good story, good actors, good photography at this point we only don't know at how good the direction is, but so far there's no way to say it's not going to be "good". You may not like it, but that's another story.
DecoReturns
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I felt the writing was its biggest problem. Not how superman was portrayed, but the dialouge itself.
I had no problem with Zack's directing, just felt the story was good, but the script bad.
Small nitpick, deciding to do most of the movie in handheld is something I didnt like.
Although the Music made this movie for me. I'm a sucker for good music
I had no problem with Zack's directing, just felt the story was good, but the script bad.
Small nitpick, deciding to do most of the movie in handheld is something I didnt like.
Although the Music made this movie for me. I'm a sucker for good music
You know you'll miss it.
This is a good opinion, no lies detected.
You don't get to determine the objective truth though. What determines what is or isn't a good movie is a question entirely based around context. Good for you? Good for most people? Good artistically? Good commercialy?
The point is, you'd be a hypocrite if you pointed at good reviews and impressions as proof this is an objectively good movie while simultaneously denying that same benefit to movies you happen to dislike.
I mean if you guys want to have one last go at Man of Steel before BvS is out then that's on you but personally I'm done talking about it. I liked it despite it's glaring problems and I can almost guarantee that I've seen it more than anyone else on this forum. I could recite the movie backwards. I just can't argue about it anymore. There are legitimate problems with it but most of the shit that's get thrown at it is a result of people not paying attention or creating problems that don't even exist and I'm done being a part of that roundabout.
I've moved on to Batman v Superman and by the end of this coming weekend I will be more than happy to have a back and forth about it. At least it'll be new material.
But I'm not saying that? That people have liked the movie so far isn't as valuable to me as what they are saying about it, and of course, the plot description cemented that fact, the story is REALLY good, Nolan trilogy tier, that's all I needed to know. And as I said, most of the Marvel movies are objectively good too, but I dislike them greatly because they feel empty to me, compared to the source material, which is brillaint.
You told someone they're objectively wrong to predict a mixed response based on early impressions. You hound on the MCU despite much if not most of it being widely well received. And now you're trying to change the discussion.
Oh well.
Edit: just saw your edit. I'm glad You can at least differentiate between subjective opinions and objective consensus. You came across as if you couldn't for a bit so I got on your case, and for that I apologise.
Have you decided if you're going to see it OW or are you still waiting on reviews?
He wants the film to fail.
Yes I do, because I can, and I will keep doing it until they respect their own characters. Why is it so hard to understand that I dislike that I find more interesting and deep stories in the comics featuring those characters than in the movies that should honor those stories? it drives me mad.
No I'm not. And I'm done.
Gotta finish DD S2, ha.
I think I'll see it the first Tuesday at the latest. If reviews are strong, I'll see the first showing on Saturday.
generic_username
I switched to an alt account to ditch my embarrassing tag so I could be an embarrassing Naughty Dog fanboy in peace. Ask me anything!
I am hoping we get some kind of scene like this at some point. Superman recharging from battle and coming back to kick ass.
didnt want to spoil anything..
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Lord Virgin
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"3 years on GAF, how many people liked the movie? How many stayed that way?" Icon is battle damaged, needs something fresh.
The Cretan
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The non spoiler review:
I spoilered the only part which maybe is a minor spoiler.
Appreciate it. Let's keep this thread clean. It's my only sanctuary.
This is a pretty spot-on analysis.
I always felt that Snyder does not deserve nearly as much hate as he gets for the movie.
Goyer on the other hand...
jombag
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I hear voices but get no picture.
doesnt work...no picture.
I lowkey kinda hope after Justice League 1 Snyder just goes full producer role and let some else do 2. I wouldn't mind if he did MOS 2, but I kinda want someone else for Justice League 2. This thought will probably change if the Snyder/Terrio combo is phenomenal but I kinda doubt it.
Neither Zack or Terrio are confirmed to come back for JL2, I think Affleck is a likeliest choice.
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Lord Virgin
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