We already talked about this a few pages back, seems to be an overblown story with no actual sources or facts. The only "fact" we have is that they had reshoots for the guy that plays Croc since his original schedule conflicted with the original production. There's no way they went back and re-shot a ton of footage and rebuilt sets without anyone knowing. All the other actors are currently filming other movies as well.
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Kenzodielocke
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And that is the upsetting thing for me. I know that this is just bs, but normal people don't.
You guys misinterpreted my "fucking hell". I know it's because killer croc's actor.
What kind of pathetic excuse is this? Why even look at it as competition? How about just telling good stories?
Razgriz-Specter
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Yeah he approved it though, it was early on and they were trying to get Batman characters. he offered them Huntress and oversaw their use of her.
They hyped his involvement up in interviews until she actually showed up and then he dropped off the radar other than mentions about requesting other characters(Nightwing, etc) and getting turned down mostly.
No, just means that you can't expect big money if you make a shit movie. I know some are going to be all doom and gloom about it.
But it all boils to the movie not being good, it's simple
He wrote scripts for the show, the first time Barry showed up in Arrow he wrote that script. And he was very involved with season 1 of Flash. Wrote like 3 episodes for that season.
Razgriz-Specter
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Talking early Arrow, they just didn't hype him anymore
Flash wouldn't even exist without him though.
Question. Would perhaps straight up adapting various comic storylines be a better direction compared to trying take elements from various stories and creating a new story? The material is already there and the work is done. I'm not against the later but was curious what others thought.
Doing the later seems to work really well in a TV setting for WB almost without question. For example can look at the animated series, Flash, Arrow, Gotham, and even Supergirl. Legends is different because it's time travel so I'm not sure what they've been referencing. You have time to flesh new things out over many hours.
The former is what they do for their direct to video animated films. Justice League Doom is an adaption of Tower of Babel for example. Superman/Batman: Public Enemies/Apocalypse are adaptions of those comic storylines. Then you have New Frontier, Wonder Woman (an adaption of the Gods and Mortals arc I think). Of course you'd still have to add some new content to build it up some but the bulk of the story would already have been created.
You can still have connectivity. The assumption being like in the comics the events of a previous story still took place but time passed before another story took place. No need to make the films flow into each other though. Could this perhaps provide for leaner and easier to follow films with less chances for things to go wrong?
What got me thinking about this was thinking about Watchmen and 300. Two films that were really well done I feel but were pretty much adaptions of comics already done. Snyder just brought them to life (That isn't easy mind you. Not at all. Especially something like Watchmen) instead of being tasked (or others being tasked) with creating something new. Tone and content wise the films would still be different from Marvel because the DC comic content can be and is different already.
Doing the later seems to work really well in a TV setting for WB almost without question. For example can look at the animated series, Flash, Arrow, Gotham, and even Supergirl. Legends is different because it's time travel so I'm not sure what they've been referencing. You have time to flesh new things out over many hours.
The former is what they do for their direct to video animated films. Justice League Doom is an adaption of Tower of Babel for example. Superman/Batman: Public Enemies/Apocalypse are adaptions of those comic storylines. Then you have New Frontier, Wonder Woman (an adaption of the Gods and Mortals arc I think). Of course you'd still have to add some new content to build it up some but the bulk of the story would already have been created.
You can still have connectivity. The assumption being like in the comics the events of a previous story still took place but time passed before another story took place. No need to make the films flow into each other though. Could this perhaps provide for leaner and easier to follow films with less chances for things to go wrong?
What got me thinking about this was thinking about Watchmen and 300. Two films that were really well done I feel but were pretty much adaptions of comics already done. Snyder just brought them to life (That isn't easy mind you. Not at all. Especially something like Watchmen) instead of being tasked (or others being tasked) with creating something new. Tone and content wise the films would still be different from Marvel because the DC comic content can be and is different already.
And this is how misinformation spreads...
Man, people really like their drama outside of the movies themselves lol.
When did I say that? I understand many of the complaints people have about the movie. Of the ones I've read, I consider those about that sequence to be near the bottom of the list. Your reasoning makes it sound like people are whining about it just to whine.
broncobuster
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Last year rumors circulated of Berlanti directing a Booster Gold & Blue Beetle film. Zak Penn was rumored alongside to be writing it, which is the bad, bad, very bad side to the rumor.
ShemhazaiX
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I respect your opinion, but it would be nice to go a day in this thread without hearing you tell everyone the sky is falling and Snyder's got to go.
Your shtick is getting real old real fast.
Dini is still reeling from Tower Prep being cancelled. Can't blame him. That show deserved better.
Razgriz-Specter
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For Batman i'd take straight story adaptations.
Everyone else can be whatever.
Batman I basically want.
Under the Red Hood(100% of the animated movie, i'd add more Nightwing, maybe Batgirl and a bit Catwoman)
Mask of the Phantasm(100% maybe a bit of Catwoman or Selina in the contemporary side)
Hush(loose)
Court of Owls (loose)
Batgirl in Red Hood is a must if Barbara is in the Ultimate Cut of BvS.
Selina would be a full supporting character of the trilogy if it was up to me.
What did he mean by this?
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Currently sitting in theater for 2nd go of it
Maybe DC really likes....DC, but the theater is almost full
Just proves to me that agonizing over big drops for big numbers isnt smart. A slow crawl is still a profit. Break even + 1 is a profit
Maybe DC really likes....DC, but the theater is almost full
Just proves to me that agonizing over big drops for big numbers isnt smart. A slow crawl is still a profit. Break even + 1 is a profit
I put back my original question.
Your choices are pretty good. I think they could get away with this. Even if one has seen the animated films or read the comic stories there would still be a chance to add new things and seeing it all in live action would get those people to go. The stories don't have to be original. That 75 years worth of comics should be mined. They can be 100% adaptions or loose like the Wonder Woman animated film. Just don't recreate the wheel if you don't have to. Especially when you have an entire season to do it.
BadAss2961
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You're a true patriot.
Kenzodielocke
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Yeah this makes sense. WB has to be freaking out right now, and rightfully so.
Kenzodielocke
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Also, they have to kill off Eisenberg ASAP. This guy has no respect for comics.
Smokey_Run
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johnnydrama
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Lex Luthor was never dead. His son is killed off by the Justice League, and the original Lex Luthor returns for retribution. Yeah, I'm not taking the whole BvS thing very well. Please put up with my delusions.
I've never bought into this idea that if they don't respect the comics they can't play a character from one. A lot of what goes into the movie is just talking with the writer and getting direction from the director. Eisenberg portrayed the Lex he was asked to portray. The Lex that was pitched to him. You can blame Snyder for your dislike of this particular Lex. That has nothing to do with Eisenberg.
Razgriz-Specter
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Flash goes back in time to stop Bruce from going
full psychopathic killer
Flash fixes the timeline but as it turns out, real Lex was a villain Batman
killed in the other timeline
you could also show that Reverse Flash did some shit to get us where we are in BvS.
Reverse Flash created the tornado that killed Pa Kent!!!
This is depressing. I get a Superman movie I enjoy with a Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman follow up I also enjoy with the promise of a shared universe to come and the general public hates it. Now everything else seems to be up in the air while I have to read people excited about the potential collapse. Then I talk to my dad today and he didn't like it. Said it was too slow in the beginning and not enough jokes. I guess I'll just have to accept I have bad taste in relation to the average movie goer.
Kenzodielocke
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Yeah, they could 'fix' some stuff with Flash, but I like the Batman how he is, because there is reason why he is that way and he changes. Good character development if you ask me.
Lol I could two craps about an actor respecting the comics... give me a talented actor that's right for the role.
Tone down the crazy for his role, people will be happy. He's talented enough to pull off cold and steely.
Kenzodielocke
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It buggs me, sorry. They're getting so much money for this shit, they could at least read a bit about the characters history and not just to the pitch.
Y'all are letting the negative reception get you fanfic'ing "solutions" that sound just...just awful. lol
Everyone needs to chill out. No the movie didn't meet expectations. Yes, someone at WB is probably furious and going crazy. But nothing any of us has suggested sounds better, tbh.
Nah. Just like what you like and keep it moving. I also enjoyed the movie despite its problems. I have friends who liked the movie, as do many of us. There are lots of people who liked the movie. Don't let people on gaf or Twitter or wherever have you thinking you're somehow wrong for enjoying what you enjoy.
It's fun to like things. It's why I rather just post in this thread than venture into the OT. because I honestly don't understand being so obsessed with something you don't like. And granted, not everyone in here enjoyed BvS. But the conversation and debate is certainly much better, meaning I actually enjoy it.
Bottom line, just do what you enjoy and screw everyone else. They're just movies, man. Nothing worth letting yourself get so down about.
Everyone needs to chill out. No the movie didn't meet expectations. Yes, someone at WB is probably furious and going crazy. But nothing any of us has suggested sounds better, tbh.
Nah. Just like what you like and keep it moving. I also enjoyed the movie despite its problems. I have friends who liked the movie, as do many of us. There are lots of people who liked the movie. Don't let people on gaf or Twitter or wherever have you thinking you're somehow wrong for enjoying what you enjoy.
It's fun to like things. It's why I rather just post in this thread than venture into the OT. because I honestly don't understand being so obsessed with something you don't like. And granted, not everyone in here enjoyed BvS. But the conversation and debate is certainly much better, meaning I actually enjoy it.
Bottom line, just do what you enjoy and screw everyone else. They're just movies, man. Nothing worth letting yourself get so down about.
Lol, you're so mad you can't even type anymore. Maybe you should just chill out.
You just want actor lip service, where they say they read the books (but they actually didn't)?
If I'm WB I stay the course, but adjust. None of this torched Earth that everyone is praying for. Not sure what that means with Justice League... you go in, let Snyder do it because it's too late to change. But make sure you oversea it all and as that's happening, start planning re-shoots and go in and tweak the movie after Snyder is done.
This WB, so they'll overreact lol.
This WB, so they'll overreact lol.
WB let Pan and Jupiter Ascending casually fall into the abyss, they don't care.
Kenzodielocke
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Alright. I am not mad, but I am unhappy about the situation they're in.
But I will stop now, there is nothing I can do and I am not even blaming Snyder entirely.
Who is the other producer alongside Deborah Snyder ?
But I will stop now, there is nothing I can do and I am not even blaming Snyder entirely.
Who is the other producer alongside Deborah Snyder ?
Pan/Mad Max/Jupiter Ascending... those are massive BO flops.
Which only put more pressure on them...
Charles Roven.
Before BvS came out, it was "all WB has to do is make a good movie!"
Now they gotta fire Synder, rearrange their whole filming schedule, somehow cast and get solo movies prepared to shoot basically tomorrow, rewrite Justice League though no one has read the script, connect the TV universe,copy Marvel but don't copy Marvel, access the Speed Force to go back in time and cast a bald white man as Lex Luthor, find the Anti-Life Equation....
Everyone has got to chill. lol
Now they gotta fire Synder, rearrange their whole filming schedule, somehow cast and get solo movies prepared to shoot basically tomorrow, rewrite Justice League though no one has read the script, connect the TV universe,copy Marvel but don't copy Marvel, access the Speed Force to go back in time and cast a bald white man as Lex Luthor, find the Anti-Life Equation....
Everyone has got to chill. lol
Kenzodielocke
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But hey, we'll get something new from Suicide Squad in 8 days !
He's doing Uncharted and has done Warcraft. Wonder how Warcraft will do.
He's doing Uncharted and has done Warcraft. Wonder how Warcraft will do.
Razgriz-Specter
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Reverse Flash one was a joke,
Lex one im serious about because fuck this Lex, so horrendous(only thing I seriously hated in this) I don't care if it can be redeemed I absolutely don't want to see him again
unless Justice League cold opens to him dead in prison.
Source or additional info?
DecoReturns
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Mtv movie awards apprently.
Well it is why when they failed at that everyone is in panic mode.
broncobuster
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I'm at a loss to find the beneficial outcome of the financial failure others see. I'd love a course correct but suggestions of burning it all down, as if the reboot is next year? I see it another way. WB gets cold feet and we don't see DC films for many years. That'd be disappointing.
At least there is LEGO Batman.
At least there is LEGO Batman.
DecoReturns
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I can say why emotions are high, there's two more threads about BvS with more negativity.
Poodlestrike
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Yeah, that's much more likely. They GL the whole shebang and we don't get another DC movie for more than a decade.
I see a lot of the same people rooting for BvS to fail as were rooting for it to suck going in, so I'm thinking that that might be the goal here. Not for all of them, of course, there are a few BO watchers who just like seeing records get set, but yeah.
Kenzodielocke
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Schweinehund
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Wonder what the reception would be if they had an animated universe for movies. Find a 3d style that sticks and base their universe around that. The audience for 3d movies is primarily kids right now, but maybe Seth Rogen's movie will break some ground.
This is what some fans want... a complete overhaul, new actors and everything. Good luck, we'll be waiting another 4-5 years.
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