evil solrac v3.0
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and there is no one better when it comes to visuals. Zack makes comic book visuals come to life on the screen I honestly don't think there is anyone better.
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Lord Virgin
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This is our plan. We get ALL the people who did not like BvS together in one place. Then we launch 'm into space. Throw them off the planet, we don't need those people. Granted there won't be a lot of us left BUT we know we are in good company and that is what counts. This can't go wrong, trust me.
broncobuster
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Somebody somewhere at WB is doing the maths to see if The Matrix is viable again. And the lunatics at WB would still give it to the Wachowskis.
Discotheque
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They have Peter Jackson. The guy shitted out 3 billion dollar (more or less) hobbit movies where he admitted he didn't really care that much or prep enough for it
Should have offered him justice League tbh. He makes fun ensembles. But I doubt he'd agree.
Tho snyder is one of the master producers of this entire dcu slate so he basically volunteered himself. They should consider dumping terrio and really questioning snyder's script and ideas input. Just make him director for hire on it.
tbh, I'd love another Matrix film by someone other than the Wachowskis.
What's with this sudden hate for Terrio? There was absolutely nothing wrong with the script.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was Synder and Goyer that came up with the story and over reaching arcs. Terrio was brought in later when Affleck came on board and probably only did dialog punch ups. Can't imagine he had any real authority to change anything big.
Jackson probably wouldn't do it anyway. The guy really only does movies for which he's very passionate about the subject matter, and as far as I know he's not a comic book guy at all. Plus he's staying away from big blockbusters for a while after having nearly worked himself to death for five straight years on The Hobbit trilogy. He said he wants to focus on smaller New Zealand-centric stories for his next couple of projects.
Poodlestrike
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No, we know he changed a lot. The Knightmare got dropped from his script, for instance.
I really do think that like 80% of this film's problems lie in the editing, and not even because the missed scenes are that important. It's because by the time the important beats happen and the setup pays off, people are already done with the movie. So they don't pay attention, or they don't give a crap.
Nailed it. People zoned out and started nitpicking the movie instead of letting themselves get immersed in the story. By the time it picked up people weren't invested. It's why many were confused too.
Huh? Got dropped from who's script? Are you saying Terrio re-wrote everything and his didn't have the Knightmare sequence, but they ended up using Goyer's script instead?
Discotheque
Banned
Much better dialogue than before but the story plays out badly
If he was writing something good he would have dropped a lot of stuff. Especially that entire lois subplot
Poodlestrike
Banned
Apparently, the Knightmare is from Goyer's script, got dropped in Terrio's initial drafts, then cropped back up again later. I think it's fair to say that there was friction involved, between either Terrio and Snyder or Terrio and the studio or some combination thereof.
Does anyone have an answer to what was the point of special Lex bullets? Is this something we won't know until the director's cut? Unless they de-materialized once they hit organic matter to replicate Superman's heat vision, I see no point to entire plot other than for Lois to find one and make the connection back to Lex which somehow relates back to Superman? Ugh, I can't imagine we're getting the whole story here. The writers can't be that stupid to not have that really mean something. Like, just Superman showing up in the first place and causing a power vacuum was all that was needed.
Oh, and for the whole "how did Superman know Lois was in trouble but couldn't hear his mom" thing. Clark obviously knew Lois was going to be in Africa on assignment and could be in danger. He was probably always scanning and listening to her just in case. He has no reason to believe his mom would be in danger and I don't think his hearing is actually that tuned so he can pick out particular people (did we get any hints of that in Man of Steel, I don't remember).
Oh, and for the whole "how did Superman know Lois was in trouble but couldn't hear his mom" thing. Clark obviously knew Lois was going to be in Africa on assignment and could be in danger. He was probably always scanning and listening to her just in case. He has no reason to believe his mom would be in danger and I don't think his hearing is actually that tuned so he can pick out particular people (did we get any hints of that in Man of Steel, I don't remember).
Wasn't the point of the bullets to frame Superman for the damages in Africa? They said that in the movie. How they're meant to do that though I don't know.
That's what I mean. We're somehow led to believe they have some role to play in framing him, but how??? Everyone knows Superman doesn't use guns. That's what I'm getting at. There had to be more to that plot which was cut. It makes no sense as is, but since they spread out the reveal over 1.5 hours, I think they just thought the general audience wouldn't think too much about it and not question it. I mean, when they're writing the story and going over it with the writers/producers/director, you would think someone would be, "Ok, I like the bullet thing with Lois, but where's the pay off?" Either they had one and it was cut, or they're idiots. I refuse to believe the later, no matter what people think about the movie and the people behind it.
Poodlestrike
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It's not like they had a forensics team out there. Nobody knows *what* happened to the guys.
As to the specialness of the special bullets, yeah, that'd better be a deleted scene.
As to the specialness of the special bullets, yeah, that'd better be a deleted scene.
evil solrac v3.0
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you know a majority of people did still like the movie.
thehypocrite
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In for my 3rd viewing. Function sold out. Marvel Civil War rocking that TV show aesthetic (I'll watch it either way though), looking forward the opening.
See you on the other side.
See you on the other side.
Just got back from my second viewing. What I appreciated more this time is how haunted Bruce really is by his past. Nolan's Bruce for example didn't really give a shit about his parents. Yeah, he tried to kill the guy who murdered his parents, but other than that it's basically dropped. Even when Rachel died he's like oh well. This Bruce however is truly tormented. So much that it clouds his judgment. He even lied to Alfred about his true motive to find the White Portuguese. I understand that the audience didn't really connect with him. Life seems to have lost meaning to him which isn't really relatable. Even Alfred had lost hope. After the events in BvS, I think he will be devoted in being a hero again. Prove me right, Suicide Squad.
However, the flaws got even more apparent with the second viewing. I truly believe it could have been salvaged from negative critical reception if they had an editor that wasn't pressed by the higher ups at WB to aim for a certain amount of runtime and someone to stop Snyder from shooting the exact scenes he had envisioned. The editor really had no leeway because of the screenplay. What I would have dropped:
What bothered me the most that I didn't catch in the first viewing however was:
I'm really curious about the extended cut now. If that doesn't fix some of the issues, then Justice League is doomed. DOOMED.
However, the flaws got even more apparent with the second viewing. I truly believe it could have been salvaged from negative critical reception if they had an editor that wasn't pressed by the higher ups at WB to aim for a certain amount of runtime and someone to stop Snyder from shooting the exact scenes he had envisioned. The editor really had no leeway because of the screenplay. What I would have dropped:
Almost every Lois scene after the African scene. Her subplot really went nowhere. The African scene could have been extended to show Clark didn't kill anyone, which would have made the bathroom scene obsolete. Lois could have showed up again when Lex was about to kidnap her.
- The Knightmare scene. It added to Bruce's paranoia, but it also added to painting Clark as a villain which isn't what you want. Flash's scene would have sufficed.
- The lines of dialogue that there are no civilians in the vicinity. It was mentioned thrice! The only one that felt natural was when Wonder Woman asked Batman why he led Doomsday back to the city. (We already know that because Batman was trying to fight Supes in that area without causing casualties and because he had to retrieve the spear.
- The Knightmare scene. It added to Bruce's paranoia, but it also added to painting Clark as a villain which isn't what you want. Flash's scene would have sufficed.
- The lines of dialogue that there are no civilians in the vicinity. It was mentioned thrice! The only one that felt natural was when Wonder Woman asked Batman why he led Doomsday back to the city. (We already know that because Batman was trying to fight Supes in that area without causing casualties and because he had to retrieve the spear.
What bothered me the most that I didn't catch in the first viewing however was:
So Bruce hacked Lex's computer. How is it possible that there was no info on Superman? Somehow he didn't create an entry of Supes on the metahuman folder. Bruce could have found about Clark's identity and prevented the whole Martha shenanigans otherwise.
I'm really curious about the extended cut now. If that doesn't fix some of the issues, then Justice League is doomed. DOOMED.
Not sure if posted but here's a really cool article with Richard Donner about the making of Superman. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/superman-director-richard-donner-tells-879894
Umm yeah, the less said about that movie the better. I still can't believe we have to endure a third Thor movie, but Hulk can't have a solo movie for the foreseeable future.
I just saw Thor (the first one) today and that shit has some issues. Shit just randomly happens to advance the plot with no real explanation. Odin falls asleep because reasons. Odin wakes up at the perfect time because reasons. Heimdall breaks through his frozen state because reasons. Norse reasons I guess. The Hammer plot was dumb too. It'll sense when you're not terrible anymore and give you your powers back... Yay! Seriously if The Dark World is worse I probably want to stay far away.
I question anyone who says BvS is a worse movie than that.
Discotheque
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Holy shit this is such an interesting article
Man the amount of things donner had to fight to make a classic. Lmao dealing with brando alone sounded like such a huge problem. And then the original shit script had freaking superman scanning the streets for bald heads and they threw in a Kojack cameo hahaha.
To me, it's 100% that Lex knows
who Clark and Bruce really are at that point, which is why the meeting in the trailer is him entertaining himself
he claims responsibility for pushing Bruce over the edge with notes so he definitely knows Bruce's secret ID as well
leaks only files he wants Bruce to have... the question then is why does he want the Batman to know about Wonder Woman, Flash, and Cyborg? If I had to speculate, for similar reasons he's using Batman as his champion against Superman... if Batman survives, he can piggyback off of Bruce's efforts in hunting down those other metahumans, and reinforce Lex's thesis
Speaking of Mercy... I noticed that Bruce's personal assistant is named Grace.
Yea, Clark Kent is a nobody at the Daily Planet so Lex being excited that him and Bruce Wayne meet doesn't make any sense until you realize Lex knows who they both are.
beyond_death
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Ok I'm glad you said that because I thought I was the only one that thought that.
I wonder if they'll dial Lex's quirkiness down for his next appearance. He certainly seems to be one of the more divisive parts of the movie, and they could theoretically use the
to justify adjusting his character.
confrontation with Batman in his cell at the end of the movie
BadAss2961
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I think he'll be different next time. He's seen some shit.
Finally got a chance to see it (I was traveling late last week and was very busy until today).
My wife disliked it, although she liked parts of it.
I was kind of mixed about it. There were things I liked a lot:
the look of the film was mostly great
Wonder Woman, Batman, and Alfred were all good as were Lois and Perry
Batman fighting was great as was his training
There were a lot of parts that did not work well though.
Superman didn't really work for me for the most part. I don't blame Cavill although he certainly doesn't elevate what he's given to work with.
Lex didn't work for me at all. It's cool that they tried something different, but it seemed like a misfire to me.
There were certainly parts of the story/movie that I liked, but there were a lot of parts that felt simultaneously too fast, but as a whole the movie felt too long. I think they tried to put too much into it.
It seems like there were the pieces needed for a very good movie, but as a whole while I liked it faintly I didn't love it. If I divorce my fondness for the characters from the film and substitute generic superheroes into the same movie then I probably would not like it at all.
With that said, I'd prefer that they not overreact to the box office disappointment and push forward with their plans, although they should be careful to avoid bloat going forward.
My wife disliked it, although she liked parts of it.
I was kind of mixed about it. There were things I liked a lot:
the look of the film was mostly great
Wonder Woman, Batman, and Alfred were all good as were Lois and Perry
Batman fighting was great as was his training
There were a lot of parts that did not work well though.
Superman didn't really work for me for the most part. I don't blame Cavill although he certainly doesn't elevate what he's given to work with.
Lex didn't work for me at all. It's cool that they tried something different, but it seemed like a misfire to me.
There were certainly parts of the story/movie that I liked, but there were a lot of parts that felt simultaneously too fast, but as a whole the movie felt too long. I think they tried to put too much into it.
It seems like there were the pieces needed for a very good movie, but as a whole while I liked it faintly I didn't love it. If I divorce my fondness for the characters from the film and substitute generic superheroes into the same movie then I probably would not like it at all.
With that said, I'd prefer that they not overreact to the box office disappointment and push forward with their plans, although they should be careful to avoid bloat going forward.
Either Zack or Deb Snyder confirmed in an interview that he
knew their identities during the party scene
Finaika
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Planet Hulk?
I thought the
"you certainly wouldn't want to pick a fight with this guy" remark is what gives it away.
BadAss2961
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You guys talk about this Snyder interview? He pretty much outright says the studio got nervous about going over 2 and a half hours, and that the theatrical version was basically the Ultimate Cut until "very recently." Said he's not James Cameron so he couldn't just tell them to fuck off with the cutting.
Warner plz...
Warner plz...
BadAss2961
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Oh well... Zack's gonna have to be more time efficient with Justice League. That script's gotta be tight.
There was another interview previous to this one, where he kind of says the opposite. He says that it was his choice to cut it down.
I think
Was that ever official at any stage? If so, it sucks it didn't happen.
Would have lessened the wait for the film which seemed almost forever, and we'd have two movies by now that would have shown us more instead of one trying to jam so many things together.
Another thing that connected the 3rd time, is when Perry White is like "where do you keep going" Then Superman just appears in front of Batfleck's Batmobile... I wonder if that deleted scene is right between that.
I don't get this at all... as a director, you're making the best movie you can put into theaters. You don't make a movie 3 hours long, then hack away at it taking away connective tissue and then release it in theaters. This movie should've been made for 2.5 hours, not 4 hours then cut down (or however long one of the cuts was).
When Nolan was asked why he never does extended cuts, he said he doesn't waste film. What's supposed to be filmed is filmed, the fat is trimmed before the cameras ever roll because that's a waste of money.
2017 has an insanely packed summer. I have no idea where they'd move it to but if they keep that date, it's going to get slaughtered.
Smokey_Run
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WW could move to the middle to the end of August, but that's about it.
They should move it out of the Summer entirely. Summer 2017 is a madhouse.
Pretty sure movie is getting pushed back and Justice League, too.
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