Smokey_Run
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Nope. Status quo from day one with no room to grow. I still think Superman's arc is across the entire cinematic universe instead of a single film.
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Nope. Status quo from day one with no room to grow. I still think Superman's arc is across the entire cinematic universe instead of a single film.
Jenny Olsen replaces Jimmy... a CIA operative named Jimmy Olson isn't Jimmy Olson...
What did he mean by this?
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Yeah just look at Cap and Tony in CW. Panther was the only one with an arc.
Yeah, like Black Panther.
Smokey_Run
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I don't think anyone is saying you need death to have a character arc.
Batman, whether people like the killing or not, went through an arc in BvS.
true, I meant in regard to Superman, I felt Clark had a character arc in Man of Steel that's completely ignored.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBt8fqYTxLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYkvRm_Zokk
Man of Steel may be my favorite comic film and it's a movie that asks what would Superman be in real life. I love those two scenes at the end as they leave us on an optimistic note of both Superman and Clark Kent finally realizing who he is. He's someone who's here to help with a smile on his face.
Batman v Superman seems to foget those two ending scenes and focuses on such a pained almost uncaring Man of Steel. I wouldn't have any problem if Clark still showed emotion or happiness and we start to see the negativity wear on him.
unholyrevenger72
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Cap doesn't have an Arc he's been the same since day 1, Tony is slowly going insane from PTSD give you that, but hey Superman tries to earn that symbol of hope instead of just being immediately accepted by humanity and everyone looses their minds. Batman and BP have the exact same character arc, "I was wrong all along", it's totes cool for BP, but Batman can never be wrong.
Kibbles
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Jared was on Ellen and talked a little Suicide Squad: http://ellentube.com/videos/0-8cl8k7h7/
Granted, a lot of his roles are rather depressing roles lol but I still think that's good to hear, a lot of the cast has been talking about how much fun they had filming this.
Also, new outfit... lol:
Joker shiz
Some creepy Enchantress stuff
Boomerangs
Granted, a lot of his roles are rather depressing roles lol but I still think that's good to hear, a lot of the cast has been talking about how much fun they had filming this.
Also, new outfit... lol:
Joker shiz
Some creepy Enchantress stuff
Boomerangs
broncobuster
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I like how his explosive boomerang is just semtex taped on.
unholyrevenger72
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Those pants....
Corpsepyre
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I just can't help but think that it's going to be doom and gloom for DCEU going forward. Even with Suicide Squad coming out, people are going to bitch about it endlessly if it ends up making 700-750 million, or slightly more so even while not crossing the billion mark. They'll point fingers at the cast and laugh at how it didn't make enough, considering it has Will Smith in it of all people along with Jared Leto as Joker, who is one of the biggest names in comics. Not to mention, Batman!
If they try something darker, they'll be laughed at and maligned. If they make a comedy-heavy film, they'll be called copycats. Make anything less than a billion, it's considered a failure on all accounts. Not sure what DCEU would have to do to stay relevant in this shit market.
If they try something darker, they'll be laughed at and maligned. If they make a comedy-heavy film, they'll be called copycats. Make anything less than a billion, it's considered a failure on all accounts. Not sure what DCEU would have to do to stay relevant in this shit market.
Fuck them dudes. At the end of the day, if the movies good it's good.
unholyrevenger72
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Stay the course and play hardball with movie Budgets, no more half billion dollar budgets. People will show up to their movies, won't be Marvel numbers, but controlled budgets will ease that.
bryanee
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lol they're great. I want some.
LOL. That's some hardcore bitter saltiness.
Corpsepyre
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You know it's what would most likely happen. Ultimate pain is what's in store for them after BvS.
Corpsepyre
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Yeah, I suppose controlling budgets is the way to go. They need smaller-scaled movies to go along with the event flicks.
I don't think people will bitch if it makes 700-750 million. I would be pretty impressed with that number that's for sure. That's Deadpool and GotG levels of success and I bet it would have to match the quality of those films to reach that level too.
Let's be honest here. Both MoS and BvS didn't set the world on fire critically. People make fun of them because y'know, they probably don't like it. If SS is good, and right now it's looking like it could be pretty good, then people won't laugh at it.
Anyways hope for a "Time to eat crow regarding Suicide Squad" thread.
Corpsepyre
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I was being pessimistic earlier, but I really do want the film to be good and make the desired buck. All of their films going forward, actually.
Here's hoping we see some Vertigo titles too in time.
KonradLaw
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You know it's what would most likely happen. Ultimate pain is what's in store for them after BvS.
meh. In reality nobody gives a damn what some small group of trolls on internet think. If movies will make decent money with reasonable budgets they will be seen as success.
Especially considering how few Marvel movies pass billion anyway. All trolls do is set themselves up for dissapoitment. In a world they are trying to create both Age of Ultron and Civil War are dirty flops. This isn't the world anyone sane would like to settle in.
That would be considered pretty good for SS. Now if Justice League falls well behind Captain America like BvS then it will be justifiably criticized endlessly.
Movies with big name characters like Superman, Batman, or Wonder Woman in the lead NEED to do a billion however. It is a major disappointment otherwise looking at how Iron Man, Cap, & Avengers are billion dollar films. And how Batman was doing a billion pre-DCEU. DCEU Bat films should not be making less than the Nolan films which happened with BvS.
Especially looking forward Guardians of the Galaxy 2 has a good chance at being a billion dollar earner. Spider-Man Homecoming with Iron Man in a lead might too. The more Marvel franchises start becoming billion dollar films if no DCEU film can get over that hump...that is not a good situation.
thehypocrite
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DC films don't need to make over a billion. They just need to be profitable. If they are turning a profit and are a positive endeavor for WB they'll continue to make more. The longer they produce these films the greater the possibility of them making more money in the future of the movies themselves, along with the comics, merchandise, etc.
Do you really believe that WB it's going to replace them in their slate just cause they don't make a billion? What's exactly your point, what would make this a bad situation except the sports team mentality and tribalism diatribes on the internet about them "losing"?
But films with the budget and marketing push like BcS need to do nearly billion to make a profit (BvS magic number was 900 mil or so). The amount BvS did was not profitable for WB.
I highly doubt WBs goal is to just be slightly profitable and never again reach what TDK and TDKR did.
thehypocrite
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Not really. You have no idea how much they actually pay for marketing, product placement, movie toys, digital release, Blu ray, how many VFX houses are partially owned by WB, how much are they charging themselves to reduce residuals. None of that it's fixed. Have you heard them say it wasn't profitable? Did you see them take an impairment charge on their quarterly report? They didn't. I disagree with both your superficial assessment and conclusion.
That's becoming more and more clear for some people. I've seen nothing to convince me that isn't the case with Superman. Some might try to say otherwise but ultimately their arguments come down to them wanting him fully formed from the jump. They wanted him to once again walk into that fortress and come out knowing everything and anything to do the job. All the development off screen. Him as an idea and symbol and not as an actual character and person.
Glass Rebel
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Those pants are amazing. I really like what they're doing with Suicide Squad.
What people want are good character arcs and believable development. While you may believe Snyder has been giving us those things, most people largely disagree.
thehypocrite
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What's a good character arc for you? Can you provide an example?
Boombloxer
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They want good ones. Havent gotten them yet.
Part of me wishes they just started with Batman and had Flash as the pov character in JL. Hopefully Ezras good.
The semtex boomerang is lol
Kenzodielocke
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When is Comic Con. Need to see Ezra suited up.
Edit: Ugh, July?
Edit: Ugh, July?
Well just last year -
Riley in Inside Out
Eva in Ex Machina
Adonis in Creed
This isn't something I should have to defend though. Like I said, you might enjoy Snyder's character arcs and that's fine. It's evident most or at least a very substantial segment of the audience does not.
Future Foundation
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I know I've said it repeatedly, but Boomerang looks like such a dirty another and it's amazing. That "explosive" boomerang is so good.
thehypocrite
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Those are great examples of character arcs, however if we use them as a measure of success with which you contrast BvS none of them are actually good or what people wanted as they all made less money.
I mean, right now all that matters is Box Office returns, that's the true measure of success in the current discussion.
Personally, I don't think the majority of the audience even knows what a character arc is. They also lack knowledge of what quality filmmaking even is. The majority of the audiences looks at these movies as surface level entertainment and Snyder doesn't, that's why there's a disconnect with a significant portion of the audience. Snyder needs to find a balance between surface level entertainment that's sufficient for audiences and whatever artistic pretension he wants to capture on film.
They need to find their own formula, fine tune it, but it has to be unique, DC can't be Marvel Too, it must be their own thing. BvS was too unbalanced for general audiences and critics about what the director wanted to say and not in regards to what audiences wanted to see or expected. That's the true crux of the issue.
KDash31987
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Yeah, that was posted.
Here's more pics from the DC Universe exhibit that includes the Suicide Squad props posted before (and more): DC Universe: The Exhibit Reveals Suicide Squad Props and Costumes!
Here's more pics from the DC Universe exhibit that includes the Suicide Squad props posted before (and more): DC Universe: The Exhibit Reveals Suicide Squad Props and Costumes!
Kenzodielocke
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And the best picture:
What is this ? (Spoiler?)
http://cdn2-www.superherohype.com/assets/uploads/gallery/dc-universe-the-exhibit/20160518_125246.jpg
Future Foundation
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That's a picture of Poison Ivy and Bane from Batman and Robin. That's pretty funny.
bryanee
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Kenzodielocke
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No wonder I didn't recognize that, never watched bad Batman movies. Oh yeah, that is Uma Thurman.
BadAss2961
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Harley's gun looks sweet.
Interesting that Robin's display is there among all this Squad stuff. I hope the movie goes there.
Oh, it's an exhibit of everything.
Interesting that Robin's display is there among all this Squad stuff. I hope the movie goes there.
Oh, it's an exhibit of everything.
KDash31987
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It's an exhibition for the DC Universe (comics and movies), not just Suicide Squad.
Ah, I see you noticed with an edit...
BadAss2961
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Man-Bat.
KDash31987
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I wish it was Man-Bat...it's just that darn Bat Creature.
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