-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Dead Nation |OT| This Is Thriller, Thriller Night
- Thread starter alr1ght
- Start date
Did the second level last night....fun,just to make sure though,the armor inventory screen is only to show what you have equipped or what? i`m not sure I get it as I don`t seem to be able to confirm/change anything in there...it always says equipped... and I didn`t try it yet as I just got the hint that you can trample heath packs on the ground....is it the melee button?
ScrabbleBanshee
Member
Given the incredible amount of support that Super Stardust HD received, I expect that they will continue to nurture this product and it will keep improving for quite a long time.
This in itself is a big selling point for me. I'm very close to plonking money down on this even though I have a big backlog already.
This in itself is a big selling point for me. I'm very close to plonking money down on this even though I have a big backlog already.
slaughterking
Member
Yay, Germany is doing pretty well in the Global Ranking, even though the game hasn't been released here. 
Katana_Strikes
Member
Man, the last 2 levels I just did were pretty challenging. There was one part where there were 3 of those big jumping dudes and I kept dying over and over. Finally did it though.
kyo_daikun
Member
Only killed 458 Zombies so far thanks to 2 hour download last night, very dissapointing...
Had a pretty good time playing local co-op last night. Is it me or do the leaderboard numbers seem really low?
Having a demo that gives just a sampling of the game would probably help tremendously; I can't believe they went with no demo, especially when it's a game that's priced at $14.99. I mean, why not make it really dang short and right before you open the next gate, have a prompt say "Continue and purchase or exit"? Something easy and simple like that.
Having a demo that gives just a sampling of the game would probably help tremendously; I can't believe they went with no demo, especially when it's a game that's priced at $14.99. I mean, why not make it really dang short and right before you open the next gate, have a prompt say "Continue and purchase or exit"? Something easy and simple like that.
Revolutionary
Member
Sigh, I really hate these red zombies. For so many reasons, I've decided to list them:
- They spawn behind you 80% of the time, sprinting at you faster (probably) than you can run at default
- they're virtually silent aside from their initial growl
- they're very skinny and easier to miss than other zombies
- they make a conscious effort to get away from gunfire/your flashlight later in the game (which goes hand in hand with above)
- the second they touch you, they've already got two hits in
- and they resemble ash flying across the screen in very dark areas, thus making them extremely hard to spot sometimes
Damn near everything is in their favor, aside from the fact that they've got very low HP (on Normal and Grim, at least).
The more and more I play, the more I understand the lower reviews. It's just not as balanced as it probably should be. Valve did an amazing job in the creation of their infected and their abilities - there's nothing that truly feels "cheap". Every infected with the exception of the Tank has low health, as they should be - they're reanimated carcasses. They shouldn't be able to survive an explosion in their direct proximity.
Taking into account the story of Dead Nation, okay, I understand why some of the bigger monsters don't go down in one explosion (
), but standard zombies who just happen to be fat? Guys in firefighter suits? Soldiers?? I'm sorry but I've never heard of any fully geared soldier surviving a blast in direct proximity of him with all of his limbs intact. I guess one could say that the armored infected in The Parish of L4D2 can be likened to these guys... sure, but there aren't dozens upon dozens of them running at you at a time, as Dead Nation often does to you... and they still blow up with one blast from the grenade launcher.
The game just relies way too much on "throw everything at you and see how it goes", rather than the nice crescendo events peppered throughout that require you to use your resources and wits rather than how well you can twitch shoot. If they wanted to make it a twitch shooter like SSHD, then give us unlimited ammo. Otherwise, you've got to find a nice balance between being difficult and just being cheap.
- They spawn behind you 80% of the time, sprinting at you faster (probably) than you can run at default
- they're virtually silent aside from their initial growl
- they're very skinny and easier to miss than other zombies
- they make a conscious effort to get away from gunfire/your flashlight later in the game (which goes hand in hand with above)
- the second they touch you, they've already got two hits in
- and they resemble ash flying across the screen in very dark areas, thus making them extremely hard to spot sometimes
Damn near everything is in their favor, aside from the fact that they've got very low HP (on Normal and Grim, at least).
The more and more I play, the more I understand the lower reviews. It's just not as balanced as it probably should be. Valve did an amazing job in the creation of their infected and their abilities - there's nothing that truly feels "cheap". Every infected with the exception of the Tank has low health, as they should be - they're reanimated carcasses. They shouldn't be able to survive an explosion in their direct proximity.
Taking into account the story of Dead Nation, okay, I understand why some of the bigger monsters don't go down in one explosion (
they're experiments or some such nonsense
The game just relies way too much on "throw everything at you and see how it goes", rather than the nice crescendo events peppered throughout that require you to use your resources and wits rather than how well you can twitch shoot. If they wanted to make it a twitch shooter like SSHD, then give us unlimited ammo. Otherwise, you've got to find a nice balance between being difficult and just being cheap.
TrAcEr_x90
Member
Revolutionary said:
i think your reaching way too much for zombie logic in this downloadable game.....who cares about cop zombies being harder.
Liabe Brave
Member
I'm not saying that your criticisms are incorrect, but you do have unlimited ammo.Revolutionary said:
Also, SSHD (in its original mode) isn't much of a twitch shooter, and Dead Nation is clearly intended to be even more methodical.
I just realized that the chests contents cycle depending on the color lighting up. At first I thought it was just to let you know it was there and cycled lights for no reason but after testing to see they do change. Kind of wish I would have known that earlier because most of the time I do not need ammo and have been getting that.
Also I am to the point at which the rifle is becoming less reasonable to use. Luckily I have the smg and shotgun but my smg has not been upgraded much.
Also I am to the point at which the rifle is becoming less reasonable to use. Luckily I have the smg and shotgun but my smg has not been upgraded much.
Revolutionary
Member
It's more of a complaint of the scaling in difficulty than just other zombies being harder. In Normal the fat zombies were no real problem, but starting on Grim they becoming stupidly strong - unbelievably so... and that's where the question of "zombie logic" comes into play.TrAcEr_x90 said:
Only on one, semiautomatic weapon.Liabe Brave said:
BobTheFork
Member
I had a great co-op session with TTP last night. It was fun but there are some fairly major problems.
First is that any lag in this game comes through as input lag, making it very hard to properly shoot. I adjusted a bit and got used to it, but it was so hard to do precise aiming with that lag. I know part of the problem is that I'm in Denver, and TTP is somewhere in Brigadoon but I've had similar issue with closer people.
Two, and this is a major horrible bug so LISTEN HOUSEMARQUE! I kept losing money and upgrades to my weapons when we beat a level. I lost 80k money and all the upgrades to my rifle (which is all I spent it on) and had to start over when we got to level 2. I lost my last 2 weapon shop visits worth of upgrades and all my money when we got to level 3. We never could beat level 3 and it was because my character was just too underpowered.
I haven't played any more online but I mention if it happens again. The worst part is that because my guy sucks I can't continue my campaign from stage 3 or I won't be able to help anyone.
Still a fun game otherwise.
First is that any lag in this game comes through as input lag, making it very hard to properly shoot. I adjusted a bit and got used to it, but it was so hard to do precise aiming with that lag. I know part of the problem is that I'm in Denver, and TTP is somewhere in Brigadoon but I've had similar issue with closer people.
Two, and this is a major horrible bug so LISTEN HOUSEMARQUE! I kept losing money and upgrades to my weapons when we beat a level. I lost 80k money and all the upgrades to my rifle (which is all I spent it on) and had to start over when we got to level 2. I lost my last 2 weapon shop visits worth of upgrades and all my money when we got to level 3. We never could beat level 3 and it was because my character was just too underpowered.
I haven't played any more online but I mention if it happens again. The worst part is that because my guy sucks I can't continue my campaign from stage 3 or I won't be able to help anyone.
Still a fun game otherwise.
Revolutionary said:
Okay that makes sense now. On normal, the skinny guys are the easiest to take out. You just use the SMG or regular rifle and they are goners. On Grim, though, the cops and the larger zombie types almost force you to use the shotty. The SMG and rifle is nearly useless on those guys because they take at least 4 consecutive shots to take down and the SMG just wastes ammo.
FredFish said:
Yes it will, but it will not take out multiple cops, so in the later stages, I found that you cannot rely on that tactic even if you are taking it super slow and backpedaling. Much easier to to get up close and personal when they start to inch closer. The shotty can take out 5 or so in a single shot.
see5harp said:
Odd. I'm getting multi-kills with the rifle super shot on everything except the "soldiers" (the green clad guys that make a sound effect like firecrackers going off when they get low on health).
You mention backpedaling and I wonder how much cash and points I lost on my Normal campaign playthrough because the orbs couldn't reach me before they snuffed out
FredFish said:Odd. I'm getting multi-kills with the rifle super shot on everything except the "soldiers" (the green clad guys that make a sound effect like firecrackers going off when they get low on health).
You mention backpedaling and I wonder how much cash and points I lost on my Normal campaign playthrough because the orbs couldn't reach me before they snuffed out
It may just be on coop because difficulty is ramped up there but to what degree I don't know.
paperheart
Banned
Beat all the missions on Normal today. What a blast this game is, and like wow at that last mission. I'm playing through it again, this time as the woman. Judging by the trophies, I will be playing this game for a long time trying to get them, but that's not an issue at all.
TTP said:
Absolutely the first one you mention. That one was really frustrating on normal, I would have no idea how that would be possible on Grim.
The second section you mention wasn't that hard because you had good choke points.
The last level was really overwhelming but you didn't really had to care a lot about ammo management and weapon costs anymore so you could go crazy with the weapons.
TTP said:
Those were difficult (I died at the Graveyard one because I didn't realize what was going on quickly enough).
The memorable one for me was the set piece at the elevator platform you have to clear before you ride up to the Tower. I hadn't given much thought to weapon upgrades and was wasting money on unlocking any new ones as soon as they were available. I also hadn't been using the L1 stuff much but that confined space and sheer number of mobs forced me to rethink how I went about the game. Wised me up to this game being less "twitchy" and more "crafty" if you will
OgTheClever
Member
I wonder what's going to happen when a new virus cycle is reached? I hope more than just art is unlocked.
A survival mode would be nice :/
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
just finished the rooftops mission. loving this game so far, but it's not without it's shortcomings:
-needs some of the zombies tweaked. see the posts above regarding fatties, cops, etc.
-needs a newgame+ WITH WEAPON UPGRADES. hell, make it an option and note that score won't go to online leaderboards if you have to. but at least let us try for the loot and no hit trophies.
-melee desperately needs tweaking. 80% of the time i nail a zombie directly in his face it doesn't register as me hitting him, yet registers as him hitting me. if they have such a wide scope of melee against the player, the player should have the same- only limited by speed and damage.
-would be nice if grenade would actually TOSS instead of drop. the flare tosses, but the grenade drops? only the mine should drop.
-i HATE reloading with R3. way too many accidental reloads while a swarm is closing in.
-i can't play single missions with any of my armor or weapons? .....why?
looking forward to DLC though. i can already feel the itch for an expansion coming. wouldn't mind a Crimsonland-ish arena mode.
-needs some of the zombies tweaked. see the posts above regarding fatties, cops, etc.
-needs a newgame+ WITH WEAPON UPGRADES. hell, make it an option and note that score won't go to online leaderboards if you have to. but at least let us try for the loot and no hit trophies.
-melee desperately needs tweaking. 80% of the time i nail a zombie directly in his face it doesn't register as me hitting him, yet registers as him hitting me. if they have such a wide scope of melee against the player, the player should have the same- only limited by speed and damage.
-would be nice if grenade would actually TOSS instead of drop. the flare tosses, but the grenade drops? only the mine should drop.
-i HATE reloading with R3. way too many accidental reloads while a swarm is closing in.
-i can't play single missions with any of my armor or weapons? .....why?
looking forward to DLC though. i can already feel the itch for an expansion coming. wouldn't mind a Crimsonland-ish arena mode.
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
Snuggler said:
:lol :lol :lol
i'm so addicted to getting through my campaign i haven't even found the option to change it yet. just saw the mapping and kept playing.
electroshockwave
Member
CozMick said:
You know what must be done...