December Wii U firmware update to address application load times [Up: Incorrect]

One point of interest: for all that people point to the Xbox OS / Xbox Live as the "gold standard" for modern game consoles, it doesn't often seem taken into account that it was designed by a company that specialized in operation systems, networking, and internet. That's a powerful advantage to have on your side, such a pool of experience to draw from. If anything, Microsoft has a nearly unfair advantage over everyone else (not just Nintendo) in this area.

This is something that people definitely need to remember going forward when asking if Sony or Nintendo are ever going to "catch up" to Microsoft. On the OS front, I don't think they will ever entirely catch up to MS -- a company that has spent almost the last 40 years building operating systems. The only company that's even gotten close (and arguably surpassed Microsoft) is Valve -- a company of software engineers and game designers founded by a former MS executive.

Nintendo and Sony definitely need to reach a certain minimum standard when it comes to networking and operating systems, but I don't think they're ever going to soundly defeat MS in that regard. Even if they do reach feature-parity with Xbox Live's current form, MS will probably advance beyond that next gen in a way Sony and Nintendo won't see coming. They need to reach a certain standard, but in order to ultimately succeed, Sony and Nintendo should also focus on their own strengths.

Nintendo probably put more resources into the GamePad than the OS because that's what they're good at -- control interfaces. Sony put so much effort into turning the PS3 into a powerful multimedia box because that's what they're good at -- appliances. Same with the Vita when you think about it.
 
I feel skeptical that this will satisfy the vocal critics. It will probably be a little faster, but not drastically so. But we will see....
 
Can someone clarify if this is the update we are getting tomorrow or a seperate one before the end of the month?
 
Is there even going to be a speed patch this month? Everyone seems to be ignoring those posts. Seems like it is only for DQ Japan.
 
Can someone clarify if this is the update we are getting tomorrow or a seperate one before the end of the month?
No one knows, engadget is assuming it'll be tomorrow. Their source: go-nintendo, states they don't know when the update will come out.
 
Thanks. At least we know Nintendo has acknowledged the problem and is working quickly to get it resolved. :)
 
I just don't see the problem with how it is. Maybe I'm just not in as big of a hurry.
A lot of it is impatience, and a lot of it is the technological principle of the thing. I've never found it frustrating either, but I know it should be faster.
 
"From customers who have purchased [Wii U] we have received various points for improvement, such as the time taken to do the initial system update, and the time taken to switch between software. You've experienced frustration and we're now working on each of these issues, we ask for your understanding."

Or thereabouts.
 
pretty cool they are addressing this. love the system and if this improves my experience:hats off Nintendo, my faith in your customer service remains a highpoint
 
I am ok with this. If they address the horribly slow loading times, pretty much my main gripe with the Wii U will be solved.

Now about those games....

I can live with the load times if there were more games I wanted to play. Loved ZombiU but I want the next unique experience to hold me over for a while.
 
I knew games I wanted will come eventually, but I was worried that Nintendo wouldn't address this issue anytime soon. Good to see they're listening and working on things like this.
 
This is the kind of attitude that puzzles me.

I realize that, for many, any potential problem in a game/product/piece of software is automatically attributed to "laziness / stupidity". At least that's how many people seem to frame it, especially on the internet.

But frankly, it's like the people who demand to know why Nintendo "made us download a big update at launch instead of putting it on the console". Do they stop and think how this stuff works? The hardware was manufactured (and boxed!) some time ago. It had to be, so there was sufficient stock for launch. If some OS features were not ready at that point then... they weren't ready. There's no mystery.

More the point, this is pretty standard for how everything is today. When I got a new iPod I had to download a 500 meg firmware update since development didn't stop when the product was boxed for shipment.

When I got my new Nexus tablet, I had to download 3 or 4 stacked firmware updates for Android because development of software is always ongoing.

Nevermind how many service packs I have to download and install when I clean the PC and set up windows 7.

Do I *like* waiting for an update to download? No. But it doesn't make a lot of sense to remain naive about how this stuff works.

I didn't realize having acceptable OS speed was a "feature".

We're not talking about TVii here. This is just basic system function. Nintendo should have had this shit sorted before charging people $300-350 for it. Yeah, people have a right to be annoyed. It's not naive.
 
I didn't realize having acceptable OS speed was a "feature".

We're not talking about TVii here. This is just basic system function. Nintendo should have had this shit sorted before charging people $300-350 for it. Yeah, people have a right to be annoyed. It's not naive.

You're right, a true software feature would have defined acceptance criteria not vague notions of something.
 
You're right, a true software feature would have defined acceptance criteria not vague notions of something.

??? I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

My point is that the Wii U software is broken. Unless Nintendo designed it to have shitty loading times, it's broken. It's not acceptable to ship broken software.

Iphone doesn't ship with broken software. Android phones don't ship with broken software. 360 didn't ship with broken software. PS3 didn't ship with broken software. Vita didn't ship with broken software.
 
Sooo... what do you think will be the size this time? 600MB is my bet.

So long as Nintendo actually sort the update servers out (The eShop is much faster) I don't mind.

Yes, the Wii U is a bit slow to get going at the moment, but it's not world ending. It just feels like a barely finished OS at the moment and it can only get better with time.
??? I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

My point is that the Wii U software is broken. Unless Nintendo designed it to have shitty loading times, it's broken. It's not acceptable to ship broken software.

Iphone doesn't ship with broken software. Android phones don't ship with broken software. 360 didn't ship with broken software. PS3 didn't ship with broken software. Vita didn't ship with broken software.

No, because none of these devices have had any software/firmware updates to improve stability, fix critical bugs, or to generally speed things up, not one of them, no.

Hint, We're on IOS6, Android 4.1 etc. All of these platforms have evolved massively since they were launched. Android when it first came out barely fucking worked, only with 2.1 did things really start to come together and even then it had major issues.
 
??? I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

My point is that the Wii U software is broken. Unless Nintendo designed it to have shitty loading times, it's broken. It's not acceptable to ship broken software.

Iphone doesn't ship with broken software. Android phones don't ship with broken software. 360 didn't ship with broken software. PS3 didn't ship with broken software. Vita didn't ship with broken software.

Apple maps was pretty broken in my books ;)
 
A lot of it is impatience, and a lot of it is the technological principle of the thing. I've never found it frustrating either, but I know it should be faster.

A SENSIBLE post is a rare find in these parts (NeoGAF).

I agree completely. Not really a game-breaker, but it can definitely stand to be improved.
 
Iwata did not specify a date for improving Wii U system performance. The Wii DQX update is coming to Japan in late Dec. Engadget must have conflated the two.
 
What's going to happen if people run out of things to complain about regarding the Wii U?

Will Gaf implode?

What about the people complaining about the complaints, would it implode ... twice?

Anyway, Miiverse and settings and other misc transitions are mostly what need to speed up, I'm not sure what to attribute the Youtube app and Netflix too, if their sluggishness is just rush job day one stuff or also a fault of the OS.

Oh, Youtube is fixed in the browser? That's good news. I don't have a lot of use for consoles as media boxes, since I have an HTPC, but it's fun to have in the browser for quick cheating action! Although I was just using my tablet in the meantime anyway... we're so spoiled nowadays.
 
Iwata did not specify a date for improving Wii U system performance. The Wii DQX update is coming to Japan in late Dec. Engadget must have conflated the two.

Thanks!

Guess we'll have to wait a little longer. (Not that the "slowness" really bothers me as such.)
 
??? I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

My point is that the Wii U software is broken. Unless Nintendo designed it to have shitty loading times, it's broken. It's not acceptable to ship broken software.

Iphone doesn't ship with broken software. Android phones don't ship with broken software. 360 didn't ship with broken software. PS3 didn't ship with broken software. Vita didn't ship with broken software.

Broken means it does not do what it's supposed to do. Yet it does. No lockups for me and I am playing nintendoland and going to Miiverse Sure it is slow but the only part really annoying me is going to the startup screen (~5s). The rest is not perfect but acceptable.
 
Broken means it does not do what it's supposed to do. Yet it does. No lockups for me and I am playing nintendoland and going to Miiverse Sure it is slow but the only part really annoying me is going to the startup screen (~5s). The rest is not perfect but acceptable.

So application load times are supposed to be frustratingly slow? Okay. Makes me wonder why Nintendo is addressing it in that case...
 
So, things over 5 seconds aren't slow now? I learned to design web systems with this rule in mind... the load times to access the configurations menu are 17 seconds... how can that not be slow?
 
??? I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

My point is that the Wii U software is broken. Unless Nintendo designed it to have shitty loading times, it's broken. It's not acceptable to ship broken software.

Iphone doesn't ship with broken software. Android phones don't ship with broken software. 360 didn't ship with broken software. PS3 didn't ship with broken software. Vita didn't ship with broken software.

wow......
 
??? I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

My point is that the Wii U software is broken. Unless Nintendo designed it to have shitty loading times, it's broken. It's not acceptable to ship broken software.

Iphone doesn't ship with broken software. Android phones don't ship with broken software. 360 didn't ship with broken software. PS3 didn't ship with broken software. Vita didn't ship with broken software.

Phones don't ship with broken software? Hilarious.
 
I didn't realize having acceptable OS speed was a "feature".

We're not talking about TVii here. This is just basic system function. Nintendo should have had this shit sorted before charging people $300-350 for it. Yeah, people have a right to be annoyed. It's not naive.

Okay, come on. It's fully acceptable. It works just fine. As you can tell from this very thread, many people don't even notice it.

We live in a world where Outlook and Excel still take about the same amount of time to boot up, so it's not like this is some outrageous torture nobody has ever had to put up with before. And it's not like they aren't here two weeks after the Japanese launch telling people they're working to improve it right away.
 
Sweet. Can't wait for that. I won't lie. The load times are nuts but I was sure it would be fixed and even then for Nintendo games I'll suffer if I have too.
 
My iphone 4 didn't ship with broken software. Nor did my ps3. Why should I give the wii u a pass?

Didn't Apple apoligize recently for broken software (maps). Remember the red ring of death in the early xbox days? Or how about Sony ditching PS2 bacwards compatibility?
 
My iphone 4 didn't ship with broken software. Nor did my ps3. Why should I give the wii u a pass?

Neither device shipped with software with slow load times, but were missing features. iOS 4.0 didn't include Game Center or 720p uploads via WiFi, and the PS3 lacked such basic features such as background downloads or in-game XMB. Not necessarily broken, but somewhat similar to the Wii U situation.
 
So application load times are supposed to be frustratingly slow? Okay. Makes me wonder why Nintendo is addressing it in that case...

Still does not mean broken which is what keep saying and I argued.

All the stuff on the home menu could be better but is ok and does not bother me much. The start screen does. I do not use too many apps. Can't comment on that.
 
Neither device shipped with software with slow load times, but were missing features. iOS 4.0 didn't include Game Center or 720p uploads via WiFi, and the PS3 lacked such basic features such as background downloads or in-game XMB. Not necessarily broken, but somewhat similar to the Wii U situation.

Yeah, but those features were fairly new among their competitors. It wasn't as if they were years behind everyone else. How Nintendo, with hardware that is about on par with consoles released 6-7 years ago, could come out with a heinously slow OS like this is kinda dumbfounding.
 
Improving software does not mean that it was broken. If we use that logic, then everything ships with broken software, and it will stay broken until the day the company stops updating it.
Can you give me an example of a broken software that is fixed, which I can't also describe as "improving software"?

Still does not mean broken which is what keep saying and I argued.

All the stuff on the home menu could be better but is ok and does not bother me much. The start screen does. I do not use too many apps. Can't comment on that

Something has to be broken for a 2012 device to have such atrocious loading times. Either the software is borked, or something is wrong with the hardware.

Remember, Nintendo is charging people MONEY for this.
 
I admire your dedication to hide something behind a definition technicality

but in all honesty... the OS on the Wii-U is pretty slow in comparison to a lot of other systems I've ever owned... it is not broken per se, but it needs a helluva lotta improvement
 
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