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Demon's Souls |OT| Power was granted, so the world could be mended

Metnut

Member
The run back times to the bosses are wayyy longer than either Bloodborne or DS3. It’s really frustrating to take so long and have to replay levels just to get another crack at an already really tough boss.

The path to get to the Armor Spider is just too long. It’s demoralizing and I don’t really care to put the time in to replay the level again.

Maybe I’ll take another crack at the tower knight (still a long runback to him too) or just move on and play a different game.
 

Portugeezer

Member
What level are you? I didn't have much trouble with them. Take a dragon sword +5 there and you should be fine. A magic shield should help with his wind attack.

That asshole red demon on the way there gave me more trouble.
20 something with a winged spear +3 and a generic upgraded shield I found.

I will have to look for a dragon sword I guess.
 

Duellist

Member
20 something with a winged spear +3 and a generic upgraded shield I found.

I will have to look for a dragon sword I guess.
Like someone else already mentioned. Put on the thief's ring. Makes it much easier. Wish I would of known that when I was fighting him over and over like 25+ times lol
 

2AdEPT

Member
These are all great tips and align with what I've found as a new player also (I need to sort out my bow game though as have been sword and shielding it the whole time so far).
You can get a good bow (actually its pretty much best, the compound long bow) in 4-1 You do have to be strong enoughto take out multiple skellies though so be prepared for the them in tight quarters.)
Souls vets:

Does this remake feel easier to you?
No. some aspects are easier as I have played many many hours of souls over the last 11 years, but rusty on other aspects because I simply forgot the secret for the given boss or enemy. Overall it is easier simply becuase I am a vet of souls not a noob anymore.
Trying to kill Armour Spider, using the Bastard Sword +4 which has been working great but seems to be too slow to get a hit in now and then shield up before he does his scissor attack with his pincers! He is destroying me.

Should I try and upgrade a different weapon, haven't found anything better really, scimitar and long sword are okay I suppose, but the bastard sword basically finishes standard enemies in 1 or 2 swings.
Your bastanrd sword is fine as long as you take the time to learn the attacks and dodge them. Notwithstanding, if you dont want to take the time to learn the attacks, you can use a bow and cheese him or use magic for similar effect from range. There are safe spots around the edges of the hall.
The sole method I found that can stun him at all in NG+ is Firestorm, and I don't have the mana (or the time to use Spice) to stunlock him from the start of his heal range to death.

I gave up and started over. It's surprising how much easier this is the second time, I've one shot most areas and two shot Maneater and Firelurker, the two bosses that took me the most time the first time through. I've defeated the first three bosses in Boletaria, both dragons, and all of worlds 2 3 and 4 already.

Oddly enough, the Dragon god took me like 40 tries, when I've never had a problem with him before, in either this game nor the PS3 version. I was started to question if the patch the other day may him harder.
Yeah Satsuki is tough, I will try to get the video released soon. I also was surprised how long it took me to get by Dragon god as my recollection was that he was a cakewalk. It still is a cakewalk as long as you go SLOW. Just go one pillar at a time. Using magic to kil the blockages is easy mode, but I used shield bash like in the old days and still made it. I believe there is an element of luck still but that was there in the old days as well. I sincerely think Bluepoint was not lying wen they said they changed no AI...its still the same game with different skin for the most part. Obviously crystal lizards seem like an exception...but on the other hand they have been in other games since and perhaps Im just much better at knowing how to get them?.
It seems like the Thief Ring is nearly game-breaking in a lot of places. Was this the case in the original?
I cant recall Maneaters in particular, but yeah, the poor Old Hero, the mobs in 1-3 and 1-4. Just get a bow with thief ring and go to town...you can see them but they cant see you...LOL. There is a reason theif ring was discontinued in the series. Yes it was very powerful then as it is now.
No, this dude is an npc. Looked him up - Black Phantom Satsuki. I just spent about ten minutes chipping away at him, he then heals back up to full and I just zoned out.

I presume it’s the games way of telling me to go elsewhere and level up.
He is tough,especially becuase of his late healing, but getting him down a bit (I was lucky and got a parry first swing) then stun locking will finish him off as he cant heal...I have footage, just not ready yet....doing video editing tonight and tomorrow......

ON another note! YES! The Colourless demon souls farming glitch is STILL alive and well...this was never patched and will probabaly not be ever as it takes advantage of the time it takes to switch from your world into someone eles for PVP, co-op etc. I cant tell you how pleased I was to get 5 colourless demon souls while having fun being the old monk at the same time. Its so huge not to have to wait until NG+ to upgrade more and weapons and shileds etc with CDS in your first playthrough.

I am making a video after I finish this post but here is the low down and hopefully you heard it here first:
1.) Get wold tendency to one off black by dying as a human in the world (any world will do as primeval demons will show up anywhere but the most fun is 3.2 as you get ot be old monk for a majority of the invasions or blue stone experiences. More traffic means more CDS.
2.) Go online but do not return to the nexus at any time or this wont work again and again it will only work once per region. You can farm multiple demons per area if you stay in the area in question and keep the primeval demon there by not returning to the nexus under any circumstances.
3.) Lay your stone down beside (not in front or the primieval demon will kill you lol) and wait for the invasion message to pop up. AS soon as the first message disappears wait for exactly 1.5-2 seconds then swing with a high damage sword which will one shot the demon and grab the CDS just as the game whisks you away...you will get the CDS but when you get back from your invasion as old monk or being a blue..doesnt matter, the primeveal demon will still be there...rinse and repeat as many times as you want. If you invade 50 times you wil get 50 CDS.

Qualifications:
1.) It takes practice to get the timing right....too fast and you kill the beast for good, too slow the beast comes back but you didnt get the CDS in time. This timing was differnt in the old game...obviously with the newer system you get whisked away much faster and there is less room for error! ITS A GOOD IDEA TO SAVE TO THE CLOUD AFTER EACH ATTEMPT. THere are always screw ups and cancelled invasions and such. Saving to the cloud every one or two times at least ensures you can keep going without starting all over again in a new area. I really prefer 3.2 as I like old monk fights and there is WAY more traffic and less waiting around (despite a long cut scene and waiting for noobs to climb the stairs.)

2.) You best die to the people you face or not beat the boss as blue phantom. This just makes it faster to rinse and repeat. If you win in either case you become human and cant invade again without killing yourself. You can do it, but then you will have to kill yourself, get souls without dying, and its a long way back in 3.2! If you just cant do it (I admit its hard not to punish turtlers and backstab bone smashers, or even one shot new players as they come in the MOnk door with homing soul arrow in hyper mode) thats ok. BUt just be prepared for a long journey back. there are inevitable times where you will win before the fight even starts as the new player dies goign up the stairs. JUST DO NOT GO BACK TO THE NEXUS! This means bring ing as much grass and spice as you can carry as if you wnat to win you will need these items and cant go back to get more...there are no vendors in 3.2 and you cant backtrack to 4.1 without nexus.

Obviously as you are online and killing multiple primevel demons the world will be pure white when you return to the nexus...when you are finished its a good way to get white world tendency.

edit: here is the video
 
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AgentP

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The run back times to the bosses are wayyy longer than either Bloodborne or DS3. It’s really frustrating to take so long and have to replay levels just to get another crack at an already really tough boss.

The path to get to the Armor Spider is just too long. It’s demoralizing and I don’t really care to put the time in to replay the level again.

Maybe I’ll take another crack at the tower knight (still a long runback to him too) or just move on and play a different game.

Spider is a short run, no fighting needed. Using elevator right?
 

#Phonepunk#

Banned
so instead of keeping on NG+ i started a new character to try a pure Magic/Faith build, mostly so i could try out the Large Sword of Moonlight.

i just found the sword for the first time and i intend on using it for the rest of this run. it is cool that they had an extra animation just for when you collect it! the sword looks so dope as well.

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Sinthor

Gold Member
Killed him on the bridge from the second tower I think. After killing Phalanx.
Ah, ok. What I meant was at the FIRST bridge BEFORE you fight Phalanx. Tried to take him out and got over 3/4th of the way and then he just bailed. :) LOL. All that time wasted!
 

R6Rider

Gold Member
Tip for Maneater fight. At the start, run through the fog and past him. Go and hide behind the brazier. He should lose track of you. Wait the timer out until the second one appears and you can then fight them one on one.
 

Danjin44

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This motherf***ker is so hard to beat, with dark silver shield I can shield his magic damage but god damn it destroys my stamina and becomes worst when hold his sword with two hand and just stuns me.
 

Chiggs

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This motherf***ker is so hard to beat, with dark silver shield I can shield his magic damage but god damn it destroys my stamina and becomes worst when hold his sword with two hand and just stuns me.

Nothing a bit of Acid Cloud or Death Cloud won't fix!

Edit: Poison Cloud. not Acid.
 
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Chiggs

Gold Member
How long it would take to kill him? He has crazy amount of HP.

You have to cast it 3 or 4 times, and he might heal, so then you cast it again. If you've got the patience, it can be done. When it gets down really low, it's always a good idea to go in for the swinging kill, just in case he gets cute.
 

R6Rider

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This motherf***ker is so hard to beat, with dark silver shield I can shield his magic damage but god damn it destroys my stamina and becomes worst when hold his sword with two hand and just stuns me.
I used the Stormruler method and made him fall down the hole near the start of 1-1. I had already killed Yuria, otherwise would have went the Poison Cloud method.
 
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Danjin44

The nicest person on this forum
I used the Stormruler method and made him fall down the hole near the start of 1-1. I had already killed Yuria, otherwise would have went the Poison Cloud method.
But I’m fighting him to get Eternal Warrior's Ring, if he falls then I wouldn’t able to get it.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
20 something with a winged spear +3 and a generic upgraded shield I found.

I will have to look for a dragon sword I guess.
You are too low imo. Go do 2-2 and find the dragon sword there. You can fully upgrade it to +5 and it will basically carry you to the end of the game.

I did maneater on level 50 something
 

R6Rider

Gold Member
But I’m fighting him to get Eternal Warrior's Ring, if he falls then I wouldn’t able to get it.
You can still get it. He fell into the abyss hole in my game, I saved and quit to menu, loaded back in, and then went to the room he was in. All items were there.

Also: If doing this method the Stormruler has low durability so bring some stones to repair it. The hardest part is getting him out of the room where is normal range is (where he starts to head back) and onto the wall. From there it's just hitting him until you either make him fall down the far tower stairs or (in my case) having him fall, survive, but start to take a different route back up. He will walk right by the hole if he does the re-route.
 
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vpance

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Ah, ok. What I meant was at the FIRST bridge BEFORE you fight Phalanx. Tried to take him out and got over 3/4th of the way and then he just bailed. :) LOL. All that time wasted!

I imagine trying to kill it there is way harder, lol. I remember killing it from the long bridge on PS3 with arrows which took a long time.
 

R6Rider

Gold Member
I imagine trying to kill it there is way harder, lol. I remember killing it from the long bridge on PS3 with arrows which took a long time.
Haha, I remember doing that too. Had to find the perfect spot to aim. I remember I would fire the bow right when he appeared over one of the towers.
 

JimiNutz

Banned
You can get a good bow (actually its pretty much best, the compound long bow) in 4-1 You do have to be strong enoughto take out multiple skellies though so be prepared for the them in tight quarters.)

I managed to obtain the bow yesterday evening and was cutting through 4-1 with relative ease.
Suddenly I turned a corner and found myself face to face with a red eye skeleton.... That didn't go so well lol
 

Pejo

Member
So I just got my PS5 today, had this game waiting. I just played for an hour or so, unlocked the 2nd shortcut in Boletaria 1-1 and decided to call it a night. It's definitely the same game I remembered. The new animations took a bit to get used to, but I'm really digging it now. The particle effects are really nice. I'm still getting used to the new lighting, but everything else has been great so far. Still beat Vanguard first try too, feels like a badge of honor from like 11 years ago. Glad they still kept ol' idiot Ostrava too, getting his ass killed unless you babysit him. I forgot to clear everything before rescuing him, so I had to do the full tour with him.

Is that drop rate ring starting gift new? I don't remember it in the original. I still haven't decided which build I'm going for yet. I've always wanted to, but never tried a full bow-only build. Not sure I want to do that for my first replay in like 6 years, but we'll see. I picked Royal anyways for the SL1 start and that fragrant ring just in case I want to do a mage build.
 

Chiggs

Gold Member
The run back times to the bosses are wayyy longer than either Bloodborne or DS3. It’s really frustrating to take so long and have to replay levels just to get another crack at an already really tough boss.

The path to get to the Armor Spider is just too long. It’s demoralizing and I don’t really care to put the time in to replay the level again.

Maybe I’ll take another crack at the tower knight (still a long runback to him too) or just move on and play a different game.

Did you unlock the lift shortcut? It's easy as hell once you've done that.
 

R6Rider

Gold Member
I've always wanted to, but never tried a full bow-only build. Not sure I want to do that for my first replay in like 6 years, but we'll see. I picked Royal anyways for the SL1 start and that fragrant ring just in case I want to do a mage build.

You could always blend a bow in with another weapon or build. I started out my co-op character as a general Dex build, but by the time we got near the end (only 1 boss left) I found I really enjoyed the bow a lot more than expected.
 
It could yes, depends on who it was and what build you are going for. There are only 2 or 3 NPCs in the Nexus that have no uses.
It was the girl who seemed to have no actual use and then some guy who kept saying he had sinned - I figured they would never have an actual use but I realized later that maybe they develop uses later on?
 
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2AdEPT

Member
It was the girl who seemed to have no actual use and then some guy who kept saying he had sinned - I figured they would never have an actual use but I realized later that maybe they develop uses later on?
Actually you shouldbe fine...St. Urbain isthe only faith guy you need. You free him in 4.2.
 

Bartski

Gold Member
While going to character tendency all black I became the ultimate swamp monster nightmare black phantom.
Sodden ring you find in 3-2 makes the swamp not slow down your movement. Most players I invaded in 4-2 clearly didn't know.
Antidote made getting poisoned a no issue. Acid cloud to rip through their gear, death cloud to make them loose any hope, and my OP AF crescent katana to finish the job.
I almost felt sorry for those killed close to the Dirty Colossus, as if they were barely scraping by just to get there with more health in human and
they were screwed meeting me there. Sorry guys, this is Demon's Souls.

I'm OG

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Well akshully I just can't afford PS5

Yeah got that one too. Did it last spring after buying a PS3 just to play that game as the last Miyazaki ARPG and loved it. It was really odd going through the remake - early on it became clear it's the exact same game. Enemy placement is intact so knowing what's behind every corner, every trap, etc made it probably way less nerve-racking than a casual blind run, still nothing short of a mindblowing introduction to the PS5.

You all know how good it looks, but I've been playing the game on my LCDX cans and it's the sound that just blew me away.

When I first threw a soul arrow I almost jizzed my pants. The 3d audio system is flawed and incorrect at times but the leap is so big - after my first 2-2 with the dragon being able to tell exactly where he is around me just by listening it became clear there is no going back.

I really liked a lot of the obscure, unfriendly mechanics of the original like the complex weapon upgrade system and I love it's there intact.

Many things I didn't really like about the original are also still there but that's ok. I absolutely loved my time with it and couldn't think of a better way to start the gen with.

Here are some other gameplay & strat takeaways as I'm happy to see the thread kinda focused on those:

- Started as a magician, ended up kind of high DPS melee hybrid. Played the game going 1-1, 2-1, 3-1, 4-1, 5-1, 1-2, 2-2 etc.
- The dragon longsword you find in stone fang is still super OP as by that time you can farm out stones for an upgrade. At +4 makes you obliterate everything first half of the game. Dragon God drops pure for +5, by that time you can farm out the rest.
- Crescent (moonshade stone) upgrades are the most OP thing ever tho for min-maxing towards magic. Made a crescent uchigatana +5 lucky with drops in 4-1, 4-2 and 4-3. Nullifies STR & DEX scaling replacing it with magic at A, also replaces fragrant ring replenishing MP. At 35-40 magic in NG you take down 80-90% of heavy mobs in the game with max 3 hits. And that's a katana, crazy fast. The game became a cakewalk, most bosses down on first try. All the way until...
- ...NG+. Was GRUELING. Ignored upgrading vitality for the most part, low health magic offensive build finished the game at VIT 16. Blew up in my face. All tendencies move to NG+, had them all neutral at best. Result - anywhere beyond 1-1 90% on attacks from mobs one-shot killed me in soul form. They also get 3-4x times more health so that OP weapon you've had in NG is OP no more. It was awesome tho, I ended up at VIT 20 and loved every second of what became a very slow, methodical crawl. No mistakes allowed. A lot of sneaking and Death Cloud cheese. Having to go through Latria without getting hit was a gaming memory to keep. Going human fending off black fantoms by the boss hoping for someone to join the boss fight as blue to remotely stand a chance cause obviously all bosses one shot killed me as well. Just the way I like it.


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The run back times to the bosses are wayyy longer than either Bloodborne or DS3. It’s really frustrating to take so long and have to replay levels just to get another crack at an already really tough boss.

The path to get to the Armor Spider is just too long. It’s demoralizing and I don’t really care to put the time in to replay the level again.

Maybe I’ll take another crack at the tower knight (still a long runback to him too) or just move on and play a different game.

Don’t give up. I gave up on the game originally on PS3 because I couldn’t beat the spider boss and thought the run there was too long as well.

Turns out, I just hadn’t learned the level well enough. There are shortcuts and you can run there very quickly. Just have to explore and familiarize yourself with the area. And the boss ain’t that hard when you get the gist of it.
 

Ogbert

Member
The run back times to the bosses are wayyy longer than either Bloodborne or DS3. It’s really frustrating to take so long and have to replay levels just to get another crack at an already really tough boss.

The path to get to the Armor Spider is just too long. It’s demoralizing and I don’t really care to put the time in to replay the level again.

Maybe I’ll take another crack at the tower knight (still a long runback to him too) or just move on and play a different game.

It's not far at all. Have you got the short cut?

There's a point where you fight three dudes stood on stairs, turn left, and that takes you to the fat guy in the room with barrels. Don't turn left, go straight ahead, and you'll kill a couple more mobs, and that takes you back out to the starting area. Switch the elevator on.

This also takes you to the blacksmith.
 
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JimiNutz

Banned
I just recently beat the Spider as well and can confirm that the route back is incredibly short and you only need to kill a few enemies once you have unlocked all the short cuts and learn the optimum route.
 

Ar¢tos

Member
Does the Filthy woman in the valley still sells only 1 stone of Ephemeral Eyes until you die again in human form?
Because this would make the platinum offline (ignoring the 2 online trophies) ultra boring. You need 35 stones to get the 5 worlds pbwt for the black phantoms and there are only 39 (40 online) as loot in the game and then you need another 12-16 stones to get the 4 worlds back to pbwt for the primeval demons (demon in world 5 spawns in the same archstone as the black phantom). That's a lot of travelling to buy a stone each time... Farming them is equally boring :(
I know you only need 3 colorless demon souls, but killing all 5 will get the worlds back to neutral making the ng+ run much easier.

Edit: fixed numbers because I calculated wrong the first time.
 
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Rien

Jelly Belly
I really want to play this game man. Bummed I don’t have a PS5. Maybe I will hook up my old PS3 again to play the game but I want that next gen goodnesses
 

ghairat

Member
I have noticed a couple of things during my playthrough (I am in 4-2) and a Royalty build

- The dodge is pretty similar to Sekiro in terms of invisibility. The Maneaters wasn't really that hard. When they dash towards you, just dodge towards them instead of dodging to the side.
- Armoured spider can be cheesed by just standing last pillar to the left side and just spam magic.
 
I was impressed by the White Bow's range and was doing a combo str/dex build anyway so I tried it. What a disappointing bow. The Compound Long Bow, while shorter range, already has more damage than the White Bow does at it's required stats (30 Str 24 Dex) and scales better from there. Is there actually a situation where the extra range of the White Bow matters?
 

Antelope

Member
LOL. I don't remember if it happens in the PS3 version as well, but I found that you can't kill the Red Dragon in 1-1. I was killing him on the bridge, whittling him down as he did his flame runs and then he just flew off and disappeared! He was back in 1-2 and unfortunately...back to full health!

I just finished doing all the -1 world levels with my level 6 royalty (Crescent Falchion +1 FTW!) and took out the leech monger as well. Heading for the Large Sword of Moonlight tonight! Get that nice an early and already have some colorless demon souls to upgrade it! This char is going to be a BEAST at, or a tad lower than soul level 20! Lots of sneaking, but I've killed everything along the way!

Nice!
so instead of keeping on NG+ i started a new character to try a pure Magic/Faith build, mostly so i could try out the Large Sword of Moonlight.

i just found the sword for the first time and i intend on using it for the rest of this run. it is cool that they had an extra animation just for when you collect it! the sword looks so dope as well.

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I spent my morning getting killed by sludge, slugs and sloppiness. I was getting way too impatient and rushing through, getting killed by nonsense. I guess I should start levelling my vitality and take it easy.

On the upside, I finally discovered what soul remains do. Should make things easier.
 

SkylineRKR

Member
I was impressed by the White Bow's range and was doing a combo str/dex build anyway so I tried it. What a disappointing bow. The Compound Long Bow, while shorter range, already has more damage than the White Bow does at it's required stats (30 Str 24 Dex) and scales better from there. Is there actually a situation where the extra range of the White Bow matters?

I never bothered with it, also costs colorless souls. It has range but the compound is stronger. I prefer the Lava Bow, myself. Though CLB + 10 is probably better, with fire arrows.
 

2AdEPT

Member
Ok I spent all night with issues on my video editor so this video is way shorter than I originally intended...but it will have to do as I am unaware of anyone else doing a video of this with the new remake.

But yes you CAN farm colourless demon souls and upgrade ALL your gear instead of just a couple pieces per playthrough plus its old monk right? Fun while you are doing it to boot! I transferred the instructions from my previous post to the video description if you want more detail than the video goes into.

How to farm Colorless Demon's Souls
 
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timmyp53

Member
Ok I spent all night with issues on my video editor so this video is way shorter than I originally intended...but it will have to do as I am unaware of anyone else doing a video of this with the new remake.

But yes you CAN farm colourless demon souls and upgrade ALL your gear instead of just a couple pieces per playthrough plus its old monk right? Fun while you are doing it to boot! I transferred the instructions from my previous post to the video description if you want more detail than the video goes into.

How to farm Colorless Demon's Souls
The time to load is dynamic based on network conditions after it saying you are being summoned. I tried this ps3 method and failed.
 

GymWolf

Gold Member
I don't remember jack shit about demons so i have 2 questions:

How long is it?? Like 20 hours or more 40-50 like bb and dark souls?

Are all the boss gimmicky? I kinda hate gimmicks in boss fights, i prefer something that i have to beat with actual combat skills and i only remember a few of them.

I wanted to save demons for later to have something to play at christmas but i finished morales and valhalla is kinda whatever...
 

2AdEPT

Member
The time to load is dynamic based on network conditions after it saying you are being summoned. I tried this ps3 method and failed.
Definitely save your file to the cloud often as yes there will always be variability and screw ups. On ps3 I just pressed the Ps3 button if I screwed up but then it was like there was three flashes and between two and three was the rght time to do it. Now the load in is faster so You have to be ready to go quicker. But like you said I did notice the variability as well so just save and you will be fine.

I don't remember jack shit about demons so i have 2 questions:

How long is it?? Like 20 hours or more 40-50 like bb and dark souls?

Are all the boss gimmicky? I kinda hate gimmicks in boss fights, i prefer something that i have to beat with actual combat skills and i only remember a few of them.

I wanted to save demons for later to have something to play at christmas but i finished morales and valhalla is kinda whatever...

Demons was the shortest in number of hours especially if you just plough through and dont change the world tendency and stuff. Lobos does it in 7 hours, my Hyper mode run took me 35.
 
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Portugeezer

Member
You are too low imo. Go do 2-2 and find the dragon sword there. You can fully upgrade it to +5 and it will basically carry you to the end of the game.

I did maneater on level 50 something
Jeez, I was hoping not as I beat the idol boss pretty easily, now I made my way to maneater. Maybe the giant meat blob should be my next boss if it even is a boss (I knocked down the chains already)?

I'll explore the area a bit more.
 
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Arthimura

Member
Yersterday i killed Flamelurker. I never understood why people say this boss is hard. In the original game i killed him with magic, yesterday i was exploring 2-2 without intention of killing him right away, was not even with the appropriate items and consumables and yet i managed to kill him using only melee attacks, a Kilij+3 without any buff.

I don't remember jack shit about demons so i have 2 questions:

How long is it?? Like 20 hours or more 40-50 like bb and dark souls?

Are all the boss gimmicky? I kinda hate gimmicks in boss fights, i prefer something that i have to beat with actual combat skills and i only remember a few of them.

I wanted to save demons for later to have something to play at christmas but i finished morales and valhalla is kinda whatever...

It's more like 40-50 hours, unless you remember everything about the game.

Bosses are not gimmicky, it's the same as the rest of the Soulsborne series. I would say the only difference is that in the other games the player have more tools to be OP early, DS has a more focused scope and you have to use the tools the game gives you.
 
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