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@Zakkath- Thanks.

I was wondering if anyone could tell me if using the "Soldier" and "Hero" soul to add to stock is advisable for upgrading stats or purchases (because I know many members here have said NOT to use the boss' souls for anything other than finding special weapons & magic).

Also, I lost my body (I have one stone to make it right, however, I know well that I will die again). However, what confuses me is that the body CAN'T be reclaimed after you go back in the soul form.... at least I couldn't and lost all the souls I had. I know that if you die two times in a row without being able to reach the your own Blood Stain then you lose all the souls from the prior trial.

Lastly, are all the first parts of 5 available areas comparatively on the same difficulty level as 1-1?
 
aryanr said:
I was wondering if anyone could tell me if using the "Soldier" and "Hero" soul to add to stock is advisable for upgrading stats or purchases (because I know many members here have said NOT to use the boss' souls for anything other than finding special weapons & magic).
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Go right ahead and use those when you want. Keep in mind that if you use them, you need to go ahead and spend those souls on something so you didn't use them for nothing if you happen to die afterward.

aryanr said:
Also, I lost my body (I have one stone to make it right, however, I know well that I will die again). However, what confuses me is that the body CAN'T be reclaimed after you go back in the soul form.... at least I couldn't and lost all the souls I had. I know that if you die two times in a row without being able to reach the your own Blood Stain then you lose all the souls from the prior trial.
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Yeah, you're going to play the majority of the game in soul form, don't worry about that. One of those two rings I alluded to in 1-1 is the Cling Ring, which lets you keep 75% of your maximum HP in soul form, as opposed to the usual 50%. Dying in body form negatively affects world tendency (changes it to black) so don't worry about needing to use a stone of ephemeral eyes every time you die.

aryanr said:
Lastly, are all the first parts of 5 available areas comparatively on the same difficulty level as 1-1?
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Nope. Try 4-1 and see for yourself. ;)

As for me, I'm currently getting owned by the final boss (I assume). I've only fought him 4 times, but I've only managed to get 1/4 of his life down. I'll work out a strategy soon enough.
 
Johnas said:
Go right ahead and use those when you want. Keep in mind that if you use them, you need to go ahead and spend those souls on something so you didn't use them for nothing if you happen to die afterward.



Yeah, you're going to play the majority of the game in soul form, don't worry about that. One of those two rings I alluded to in 1-1 is the Cling Ring, which lets you keep 75% of your maximum HP in soul form, as opposed to the usual 50%. Dying in body form negatively affects world tendency (changes it to black) so don't worry about needing to use a stone of ephemeral eyes every time you die.



Nope. Try 4-1 and see for yourself. ;)

As for me, I'm currently getting owned by the final boss (I assume). I've only fought him 4 times, but I've only managed to get 1/4 of his life down. I'll work out a strategy soon enough.
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Thank you.

I have to say, beating the phalanx was quite a challenge until you figured out its movement. The rest was observing certain rules for strategic superiority coupled with agility and timing to finish the job.

So i take it that the body form can only be attained by killing a boss?

btw, where can I find this ring you mention?

Lastly, regarding 4-1, art thou trying to trick me into MORE death?
 
aryanr said:
So i take it that the body form can only be attained by killing a boss?
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Either that, or using a Stone of Ephemeral Eyes.

btw, where can I find this ring you mention?
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but do you remember the first left you can take in the level (in front of the phalanx door)? That direction there's a ledge you can walk out on (up quite a bit higher) and cut two chains, I'm having trouble remembering what they do exactly. Pretty sure that ring is right in there somewhere.

Lastly, regarding 4-1, art thou trying to trick me into MORE death?
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You're not prepared for it at all at this point. It's my favorite level of the game though, for the design and the atmosphere. I just wanted you to get a taste of a different kind of death.
 
aryanr said:
Thank you.

I have to say, beating the phalanx was quite a challenge until you figured out its movement. The rest was observing certain rules for strategic superiority coupled with agility and timing to finish the job.

So i take it that the body form can only be attained by killing a boss?

btw, where can I find this ring you mention?

Lastly, regarding 4-1, art thou trying to trick me into MORE death?
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Minamu said:
aryanr: Go back to 1-1 & find the thief ring + cling ring before going further :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG018Yg4kOM
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Johnas said:
Either that, or using a Stone of Ephemeral Eyes.



Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but do you remember the first left you can take in the level (in front of the phalanx door)? That direction there's a ledge you can walk out on (up quite a bit higher) and cut two chains, I'm having trouble remembering what they do exactly. Pretty sure that ring is right in there somewhere.



You're not prepared for it at all at this point. It's my favorite level of the game though, for the design and the atmosphere. I just wanted you to get a taste of a different kind of death.
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Yea, I was talking about that stone, I have only one, but if I am lose my body only after a single death, I really don't see the point in using it. Also the blacksmith/vendor in the nexus does not sell them.

With regards do direction, do you mean before entering the main door where you fight the phalanx? Because after that lies a long stretch of bridge that is open for BBQ by the dragon.

Now if you are talking about the one before the entrance, which also happens to be the only way the first time around, you go up the stairs and face an archer and two swordsmen zombies. There also happens to be a pit with blue flame in that area.

Lastly, although all except one world have become accessible to me, without any magic or miracle, is it a good idea at all to try and get too deep in those levels?

EDIT: Thanks Thunder
 
Does the blue dragon in 1-4 stay dead after you kill it once?

Getting tired of sometimes making it/sometimes not making it under his fire on my return trips back to the boss.
 
Hmm, quite the
anticlimactic
ending sequence, imo.

I'm sure that's what they were going for, but it's an odd contrast to the rest of the game, particularly the boss fights.
 
I finally got my copy of this recently. I had not used the online features a lot when I first got it. The first time I was a blue phantom for someone else I realized that I cannot pick up items in the level, so if I help kill a boss as a blue phantom I do not get the soul or finished level do I?
 
Grayman said:
I finally got my copy of this recently. I had not used the online features a lot when I first got it. The first time I was a blue phantom for someone else I realized that I cannot pick up items in the level, so if I help kill a boss as a blue phantom I do not get the soul or finished level do I?
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Nope, just the experience points (and your body iirc).

aryanr: Most people would probably say to tackle each x-1 level first before venturing deeper, with 1-2 being the exception. It's okay to do that one :) 2-1 or 3-1 is a good place to start after Phalanx. 3-1 has the, pretty much, easiest boss in the entire game (getting to it is a bit harder for melee characters though but still).
 
Well, now that ive beat this once, this is probably as far as im going to go. Excellent game, but the whole world tendency/character tendency bullshit is way to complicated, and if you happen to be someone who likes to replay things for trophies it makes the game almost tedious in my eyes. Example...certain events and characters are only around in black and white world tendencies. Often these events reward you with an otherwise unobtainable ring. Need all rings for a trophy...

If they're going to keep the whole world/character tendency stuff for the sequel, they either need to tone it down considerably, or at least make it so you dont have to go through a whole level walking backwards, holding a sword on Tuesday in July in order to change it to a different color.

These irritations aside, it was still one of my all time favorite games ever.
 
They definetly to address the world tendency issue in the sequel (or even patch this game). It has to be influenced by your character alone. I wouldn't mind it to be different if I jump in someone else's game though, that's how it should be working, imo. It's kinda dumb that your game gets screwed because you play online.
 
sloppyjoe_gamer said:
Well, now that ive beat this once, this is probably as far as im going to go. Excellent game, but the whole world tendency/character tendency bullshit is way to complicated, and if you happen to be someone who likes to replay things for trophies it makes the game almost tedious in my eyes. Example...certain events and characters are only around in black and white world tendencies. Often these events reward you with an otherwise unobtainable ring. Need all rings for a trophy...

If they're going to keep the whole world/character tendency stuff for the sequel, they either need to tone it down considerably, or at least make it so you dont have to go through a whole level walking backwards, holding a sword on Tuesday in July in order to change it to a different color.

These irritations aside, it was still one of my all time favorite games ever.
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I think it will be interesting if they keep the current system AND implement alternative methods to switch the tendency. I don't know... random black/white phantom that appears in middle of an already cleared map. (kill the white for a darker tendency, etc.)
 
sloppyjoe_gamer said:
Well, now that ive beat this once, this is probably as far as im going to go. Excellent game, but the whole world tendency/character tendency bullshit is way to complicated, and if you happen to be someone who likes to replay things for trophies it makes the game almost tedious in my eyes. Example...certain events and characters are only around in black and white world tendencies. Often these events reward you with an otherwise unobtainable ring. Need all rings for a trophy...

If they're going to keep the whole world/character tendency stuff for the sequel, they either need to tone it down considerably, or at least make it so you dont have to go through a whole level walking backwards, holding a sword on Tuesday in July in order to change it to a different color.

These irritations aside, it was still one of my all time favorite games ever.
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I couldn't disagree more. The only thing that is a bit obtuse about the system is the lack of notification and complete transparency. The way the actual system works though is easy. Die in body form, minus 1, beat a boss, plus 2, etc. Playing the game through on white and then playing it on black yields you most of the armour needed for the armour trophies while keeping it on black lets you farm stones for upgrades and what have you. Once you figure it out it is easy as pie.

Now, whether or not you want everything spelled out for you is another story, but the actual mechanics of the system cannot be faulted
 
better do tendency events in OFFLINE mode because you can control it better. Online mode, it's very difficult to get to pure white, pure black is easy though, just revive and suicide a few times.
 
At this point they should just do WT events like every other weekend. I did it a few times manually and it does require a lot of patience.
I killed almost every NPC and black phantomed a few times for pure a black character tendancy and all I got was a stupid ring.
 
Minamu said:
Nope, just the experience points (and your body iirc).
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You do, and it's a lot of fun to do this the first time you're about to try a boss because win or lose, you return to your game right in front of the boss door and you know what to expect.
 
Snuggler said:
I guess you just have to find a nice little hiding spot and stay there when the phone rings. The worst is having to leave the game while you're in body form.
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The game autosaves constantly (after every kill, after every item pick-up, etc.). Unless you're fighting a boss or something, you can quit to the main menu and when you reload your profile you'll be right where you were. Not as convenient as traditional pausing, but it basically solves the problem.
 
so this game really is made for constant quitting?

It won't end up corrupting a save or anything?

Next gen consoles feel so delicate I've always felt weird just exiting stuff while it's running lol
 
well im not sure if it makes a difference but i always quit using the in-game menu as opposed to the XMB quit command. never had any problems doing it that way.
 
elohel said:
so this game really is made for constant quitting?

It won't end up corrupting a save or anything?

Next gen consoles feel so delicate I've always felt weird just exiting stuff while it's running lol
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You'll know when the game is saving by the glowing icon one of the corners of the screen. So yeah, as long as you don't quit while it's auto-saving, you'll be fine.
 
Baha said:
You'll know when the game is saving by the glowing icon one of the corners of the screen. So yeah, as long as you don't quit while it's auto-saving, you'll be fine.
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The problem is it tries to autosave right when you die. I don't recommend quitting, I lost a huge save trying to quit out from a boss once. I'm never trying it again.
 
I used to quit a lot and never got a corrupted file. Just as long as you don't use it as a cheat to prevent losing souls when you die (lame!) it's all right.
It's like logging out in a MMORPG without the need to wait 15 seconds of character inactivity, no big deal.
 
SSFIV is stick practice is taking up all my time with this precious game :(

Naked lvl 1 run is going pretty good though. I did beat 1-1, 1-2, 2-1 and 2-2... not much left (LAWL).
 
chubigans said:
So, what do I do with all these boss souls I have? Can I just use them? I'm looking at this chart:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps3/file/954345/58355

...and I don't really understand it.
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Simple, you only get one of each every playthrough, so look at the wiki to know what each of these abilities/weapons does and if you like one, go to that person and give it to him/her in return for what you want. If you don't particularly want any, use it for souls, or if you want the trophies, for a random thing.
 
I started out as a hunter and right now my soul level is 13 (still am in 1-2, soul farming). My Magic is 10 and Intelligence is 11 but I have still not learned any magic despite meeting two other NPCs (one male and another female) in the Nexus (not the ones in the central part of the Nexus).

So how do I learn Magic and Miracle?
 
aryanr said:
I started out as a hunter and right now my soul level is 13 (still am in 1-2, soul farming). My Magic is 10 and Intelligence is 11 but I have still not learned any magic despite meeting two other NPCs (one male and another female) in the Nexus (not the ones in the central part of the Nexus).

So how do I learn Magic and Miracle?
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I don't remember exactly but I think you need to find their respective masters before being able to get any magics. Also, you trade in the Boss Souls for magic spells, & seeing how you have only killed the first boss (whose soul is pretty much useless anyway), it'll be a while until you gain access to any awesome magics. At the very least, you need to play through 3-1 & 4-1 + 4-2 before the good stuff is even remotely available.

TheThunder: I'm having a hard time remembering any music tracks so I'll have to go with the intro music. That one is awesome.
 
aryanr said:
I started out as a hunter and right now my soul level is 13 (still am in 1-2, soul farming). My Magic is 10 and Intelligence is 11 but I have still not learned any magic despite meeting two other NPCs (one male and another female) in the Nexus (not the ones in the central part of the Nexus).

So how do I learn Magic and Miracle?
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You need to have magic and faith at 10 points (respectively for magic and miracles). Then talk to the correct NPC in the Nexus.

I've just finished 4-1 and have 1-2, 2-1, 3-1, and 5-1 done as well. Any recommendations on where to go next?
 
Finally I can give the game the time it deserves. Killed Phalanx last night and here's the surprise - clearing the whole stage gave me more satisfaction than Phalanx. Maybe because it's an easy boss against my magician, or because the last time I died just before opening the final gate in 1-1 and felt like throwing the controller at the screen.

I love this game - going in swinging is suicide. One time I got very frustrated and kept on making more mistakes and getting killed again and again. Took a deep breath, switched off the system and restarted in a bit. Breezed through. The game I guess inculcates level headedness - it's rare to see a game which can be bastard hard and teach you how to play it.

Is it better to approach the worlds 2-1, 3-1, 4-1 or 1-2, 1-3, ...? I am playing as a magician.
 
bulovski said:
Finally I can give the game the time it deserves. Killed Phalanx last night and here's the surprise - clearing the whole stage gave me more satisfaction than Phalanx. Maybe because it's an easy boss against my magician, or because the last time I died just before opening the final gate in 1-1 and felt like throwing the controller at the screen.

I love this game - going in swinging is suicide. One time I got very frustrated and kept on making more mistakes and getting killed again and again. Took a deep breath, switched off the system and restarted in a bit. Breezed through. The game I guess inculcates level headedness - it's rare to see a game which can be bastard hard and teach you how to play it.

Is it better to approach the worlds 2-1, 3-1, 4-1 or 1-2, 1-3, ...? I am playing as a magician.
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1-2 isn't too bad, but don't try 1-3 until you've done a few of the other levels. 2-1 and 2-2 and 4-1 arent' bad. 3-1 is long but not too bad. Anything in 5-x is a bitch imo.
 
4-1 went really well for me playing as a magic user. Did you start out as the magician class meaning no fragrant ring? In 4-1 you can get a sword that refills your magic points. it is very slow but saves you on spices.
 
I started out as a common magician, not a royal - so no fragrant ring. So I guess I should try 4-1 next?

Let me give the other x-1 worlds a whirl.
 
Minamu said:
yoshichan: Are you using any kind of weapons on that naked run? Or fists? :D
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Completely naked, no weapons unless I have to (flying enemies etc).
 
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