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Destiny |OT16| Enrage is here, there, everywhere...
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I ran with Fang, IceBreaker and Hunger. Did great. Tested out a few other guns just for fun but kept going back to Fang.
Orthogonal
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DrDrizzay101
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Apologies to mobile users if I'm posting too much "media"
DGAF: Bring Darryl on your next raid so he can carry you like such:
Also: Darryl trolling or actual easter egg...?
DGAF: Bring Darryl on your next raid so he can carry you like such:
Also: Darryl trolling or actual easter egg...?
Ditto. :/
Happy to help whenever, just send a PM or PSN message if you don't see me posting around here.
Amazing. I'll gif up my viewpoint and post it in a bit.
If there were voice comms, there would be a lot of me going "Toasty ajda0 do a thing ajd a9w skeeba-deeba RUN TO THE LEFT iahdio !!!"
It's very nice/complementary when people are appreciative about sword runners, but.... its very existence makes me fucking furious.Raiding should be mechanically complex to give a group lots to think about and problems to solve. It's about an exciting, collaborative spirit where everyone can feel important and valuable. It shouldn't be "5 people stand around and try not to wipe the run while 1 person literally kills the boss by him/herself (i.e. HP bar). The stupidly tight timing windows that make the fight unplayable with noticeable lag are supposed to serve as a substitute for ACTUAL TEAMWORK. You know, where every person has an interesting role to contribute.sometimes I have a temper
A big part of the unpleasant feeling during Crota fights is that no one else has a chance to feel good about themselves. Their minimal tasks are so dull, they can only ever feel bad for making a simple mistake.
"Shit, I fell off the ledge"
"Damn, Boomer hid behind that pillar, couldn't see him"
"Arrggh I blew myself up with a rocket."
"I was out of heavy synth..."
I spent countless hours helping groups through VoG, everyone from Gaffers to Tower randos. Many of these randos are the scrubby non-gaf friends who hop into my party chats and embarrass me to this very day, haha. It was fantastic to watch each group grow through that learning process, understanding VoG's language until finally culminating at Atheon.A well-executed Atheon run has an intoxicating rhythm that's never gotten old for me.Hawk knows.
Running sword on Crota is completely different. It sounds terrible, but I feel like a kinder-guardian school teacher breaking down the strat: "Stand here, look there and shoot when I tell you to." To be clear: this is an insult to the encounter itself and not remotely to any other players. Nobody wants to waste hours learning all the stupid ways to fail at this point. I guess that's what I mean when I say I have a weird perspective on this game, Crota offends me on a strangely personal level.
Playing with everyone last night/this morning was a blast and everyone was right on point and still kept a good attitude despite the obvious frustrations. So thanks to everyone for a great team(s).
fake edit: Intentional top-o-page. Come at me, DGAF ╭∩╮(-_-)╭∩╮
I could not agree more. The Atheon encounter is fantastic (sans glitches), and it's exhilarating for each member of the party. Regardless of who is running relic, every single person has an active role and can have a sense of accomplishment. Wish this encounter had more of that, and less "sorry i killed the knight before you used a super on him."
3rd Planet problems there bub. I would gladly take that roll.
EL CUCO
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Quick question. Does Crota have a shield gate?
If you use a sword to take down the last sliver of his shields does the damage carry over into health or is it lost in the ether? This is for those niche situations with slow DPS or when soloing.
Largely agree with the post. It's why above all else I hate that Gatekeeper. That Gatekeeper needs a hook. A very simple one would be to close the door behind it as it spawns, open the door when it dies, spawn a new Gatekeeper after Ogres and close the door behind it again.
*This is also part of why randomizing the Atheon teleports was a great change.
DrDrizzay101
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Lag. Hopefully I can post a more detailed explanation later.
dude I got a shabby legendary shotgun :/
MagnetoWasRight
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We need one more for Crota. Join on Dhruv or Macello.
Bingo, you nailed it. Crota, especially hard, is basically a time and resource management sim, when you think about it.
hunger is the only normal weapon i still need. It would be way more practical to have on hand than either Word or Oversoul Edict (the two HM weapons I'm missing), but for some reason I feel the need to try and get them first.
AmateurHour212
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Orthogonal
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Need 1 more for Nightfall. Already started. Just join on me.
PSN Khorgano
PSN Khorgano
Rose tinted glasses.
Before random teleports (which everyone hated) you could literally just stand on a pillar and shoot supplicants and wait for a buff.
Very little teamwork involved in Atheon. It's an even simpler encounter than Crota.
2:40 am last night and this happens. Crota enrages, 1 hit for the kill left, shield goes up, and good bye good run. We did get him about 40 minutes later though and I got Word of Crota, leaving me Swordbreaker, the only one I don't care for at all, short of all raid weapons.DrDrizzay101
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Crota is kinda/sorta the inverse of Templar:
Crota's shield is completely immune to sword damage but only the sword can damage his HP bar.
Templar's shield is completely immune to all non-relic damage and only the relic can damage his shield. (Not exactly the same since relic can damage his HP bar, but you get the idea)
In fact, when using BDancer invis you want to be very careful to not slice Crota until his shield is completely gone AND the game's lag has actually recognized his shield is gone (i.e. kneeling). Otherwise you'll lose the invis and Crota can smack you. Essentially this is what happened in that rage quit gif I posted: admittedly the sword runner struck "too early" but only because of lag which meant Crota hadn't reacted to the shield break yet even though his shield was broken.
Only missing Word and Swordbreaker, not really inclined to go back to normal just for the shotgun, I already have 3 HoC's
Orochinagis
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Normal or Hard?
I found it so weird how people were struggling outside when Atheon was new, I would offer to go outside because I found going in the portals so easy.
GlamFM
Banned
Me?
Yeah. NEAT.
I especially liked the part at the end where you said "oh, someone got something..."
You knew, you bastard... you knew.
Sword Of Doom
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Your friend just got trolled (Truth)
Darryl M R
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Apologies to mobile users if I'm posting too much "media"
DGAF: Bring Darryl on your next raid so he can carry you like such:
Also: Darryl trolling or actual easter egg...?
I enjoy all of this. And I don't remember emoting to Toasty then.
But yea DGAF if there is a hard mode raid coming along let me know
I'll agree with you that it's simpler.
People still struggle with it today. When I get 'ported inside I worry because I see "so and so died" and I'm like really?
Or I'll come out and there's a ton of supplicants up. What were you doing the whole time?
I like being outside just to make sure we don't wipe.
I may be one of the few that prefer the random teleports, but no, it's not simpler. There are objectively more elements, making it more complex. Necessarily splitting the team into two halves also requires intense teamwork, though I would argue that the crota fight does too. Atheon is a more mechanically sound fight and the lowest-importance role is more interesting than the corresponding role in Crota. There's substantially more room for error in Atheon, however; this isn't at face value a good or bad thing, but can make the fight an order of magnitude less frustrating if lag or glitches get in the way of execution.
All that said, being the swordbearer for Crota is the most fun I've had in Destiny and I haven't gotten sick of it yet. Starting to get the impression that I should feel bad about this :-/
All that said, being the swordbearer for Crota is the most fun I've had in Destiny and I haven't gotten sick of it yet. Starting to get the impression that I should feel bad about this :-/
AmateurHour212
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Random teleports have been in effect for months so let's not go back there.
Further, I don't buy that it's a more simple encounter than Crota. In a sum total, the Atheon fight "involves" more of the fireteam. There is a very solid chance you will be teleported and you will have to deal with oracles, the relic, the assholes in the portals, Time's Vengeance, cleansing in the portal, grouping under the relic shield after exiting portal, getting out of shield and safe before next teleport, etc etc.
If you aren't the swordbearer in CE, don't die and shoot Crota when you're told to do so.
DrDrizzay101
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Sanity too. ;_:
I disagree, people not teleported needed to know which portal to open and make sure the people in the portal didn't come out to a nice surprise.
Crota has 5 people doing half of that for the whole fight.
Hell what I just described is only what people do outside the portal never mind inside it.
Darryl M R
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How would you all feel if Bungie sold Ballerhorn but made it cost an outrageous amount of coins (let's say 100)--I wonder if this would happen.
Liquidsnake
Banned
What's the burn this week for nightfall.
i like the shotgun, though it doesn't have many practical uses. Funnest thing i've used it for is killing the flanking minotaur over and over again on The Nexus.
Orochinagis
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All. (lol)
noomi
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It'll be about 2 hours guys, lunch and wife time for now. I'll send out party invites in a bit
I just want 1 Fatebringer =/
I have my second all filled out, but actually unlocked.
Trust me for every good RNG taketh - I have my own problems lol. All a matter of perspective
Had that for 2 weeks straight.
Toejam2501
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#foreverhornless
Why should you feel bad? It IS a lot of fun, especially when helping out a team that's been struggling (I've only been that person on normal).
Toejam2501
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All burns
I just want 1 Fatebringer =/
I have my second all filled out, but actually unlocked.
Trust me for every good RNG taketh - I have my own problems lol. All a matter of perspective
Had that for 2 weeks straight.
So what exactly are you missing?